News Zootopia and Moana Blue Sky concepts for Disney's Animal Kingdom

No Name

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I can comprehend them but it really isn't a big deal and the vast majority of people aren't going to think that Zootopia doesn't belong in Animal Kingdom. They see animals and rides and something new and that is it.
Theme parks, much like movies (or books, music, etc) were/are largely designed by professionals who understand the intricacies of making a compelling product in a way that regular guests like myself are not expected to know or care about. Animal Kingdom has the fewest rides of any major theme park in the United States, yet it has the third-highest attendance… that is a product of a strong design that goes beyond “Animal! Ride! New!”
 

Ghost93

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Yeah. People seem to be in denial over this Dinoland remodel. It’s literally the next big project for WDW. This should come as no surprise around these parts.
While I agree that Dinoland's days are numbered, I bet if Avatar: The Way of Water does well at the box office Disney may prioritize a Pandora expansion over Moana/Zootopia in Animal Kingdom.
 

Tom P.

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I know this is blasphemy or whatever, but Future World has never had a cohesive theme. The anchor attraction of FUTURE World is about the HISTORY of communication. Then you have... a trip around the world, an overview of produce farming, an aquarium, a vehicle design simulator, an acid trip, and a rocket ship. The one where you travel back in time to learn how dinosaurs became WTI Crude wasn't actually any better of a thematic fit for FUTURE World than Guardians of the Galaxy.
At the risk of continuing to beat a dead horse, what percentage of parkgoers do you think could explain the cohesive theme of Animal Kingdom? Or have even thought about it? I think to Joe Average, it's somewhere between a glorified zoo and a Disney park about animals.

Again, I want to re-emphasize what I said before: I am NOT arguing that Disney should do Moana or Zootopia. I'm not suggesting that they should stop caring about cohesive themes. I'm simply saying that my gut tells me that the average attendee to the parks just doesn't care that much, if at all, about the cohesive theming. They just want fun rides and attractions.
 

LSLS

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Moana and Zootopia are very close to being greenlit. We will know soon because Moana will be built first and Chester and Hesters will be going bye-bye with Zootopia coming after Moana. I guess they figured that Pandora did not solve all their problems with DAK. They really want to be able to keep the park open until 9-10pm at night. I hope they both get built and we get a new nighttime show in the amphitheater.
I hope they aren't relying on a net 0 ride gain to get people to stay there that much longer.
 

celluloid

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At the risk of continuing to beat a dead horse, what percentage of parkgoers do you think could explain the cohesive theme of Animal Kingdom? Or have even thought about it? I think to Joe Average, it's somewhere between a glorified zoo and a Disney park about animals.

Again, I want to re-emphasize what I said before: I am NOT arguing that Disney should do Moana or Zootopia. I'm not suggesting that they should stop caring about cohesive themes. I'm simply saying that my gut tells me that the average attendee to the parks just doesn't care that much, if at all, about the cohesive theming. They just want fun rides and attractions.

Cohesive theming and good place making are a part of fun rides and attractions, whether the guests are able to articulate it or not as not always relevant to what they like.
Many can't explain why they like movies and books without being able to explain a three act structure or care to learn about producing them. It does not mean it is not what makes them most successful.
 

ToTBellHop

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While I agree that Dinoland's days are numbered, I bet if Avatar: The Way of Water does well at the box office Disney may prioritize a Pandora expansion over Moana/Zootopia in Animal Kingdom.
Disney doesn’t make decisions that quickly and Moana will already have entered construction before they make any such decision. Zootopia is further off so its status could certainly change.
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
I could see Disney adding a Disney Sea land in AK which sea animal shows and rides but that conflicts some with the Living Seas in Epcot…although there is potential there. They may not want to do that because of SeaWorld however

Then again they are thinking of putting coco and encanto in MK when there is a Mexico pavilion so…
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
At the risk of continuing to beat a dead horse, what percentage of parkgoers do you think could explain the cohesive theme of Animal Kingdom?
They're not supposed to have to. It's not something you think about, it's something you feel. Adventureland *feels* different than Tomorrowland, even if Hawaiian parrots don't really have anything to do with the Florida Citrus Growers.
 

lazyboy97o

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At the risk of continuing to beat a dead horse, what percentage of parkgoers do you think could explain the cohesive theme of Animal Kingdom? Or have even thought about it? I think to Joe Average, it's somewhere between a glorified zoo and a Disney park about animals.

Again, I want to re-emphasize what I said before: I am NOT arguing that Disney should do Moana or Zootopia. I'm not suggesting that they should stop caring about cohesive themes. I'm simply saying that my gut tells me that the average attendee to the parks just doesn't care that much, if at all, about the cohesive theming. They just want fun rides and attractions.
Then why don't people go to the far cheaper amusement parks and zoos that are easier to access?
 

DisneyDodo

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Cohesive theming and good place making are a part of fun rides and attractions, whether the guests are able to articulate it or not as not always relevant to what they like.
Many can't explain why they like movies and books without being able to explain a three act structure or care to learn about producing them. It does not mean it is not what makes them most successful.
There’s definitely some truth to this. The subconscious is programmed to recognize patterns, so it picks up when multiple elements conform to a unified theme, creating a sense of satisfaction for the guest even if they aren’t fully aware it’s happening.

However, conformance to a theme is only one aspect of a theme park and often needs to be weighed against other concerns. For example, I don’t think it’s always worth maintaining perfect thematic integrity at the expense of adding fun attractions. That doesn’t necessarily mean throwing the theme completely to the wayside, but rather stretching it a little to accommodate new things.
 

DisneyDodo

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Have we wondered if Moana would be using Shanghai pirates tech…?
I was wondering that from the concept art, as they make it seem as if the boats can move in different directions, rather than being bound to a track. But (a) as @doctornick mentioned, I don’t know if they are able to make that tech work with drops, and (b) it’s always dangerous to try to glean things from concept art, especially when it’s explicitly presented as “blue sky”
 

Gran Fiesta

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Disney doesn’t make decisions that quickly and Moana will already have entered construction before they make any such decision. Zootopia is further off so its status could certainly change.
After more thought and explanation about the Moana portion, I’m actually somewhat excited for that portion if all we are losing is the spinner and Chester and Hesters, then I can really get on board if they do it correctly (you saying they are having small animal exhibits is a big start imo). However, the Zootopia portion replacing Dinosaur, Restaurantosaurus, and Boneyard I still can’t get on board with. Hope they change their minds on that one.
 

celluloid

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Have we wondered if Moana would be using Shanghai pirates tech…?

What is funny is Zootopia will likely be the one that does. The Motions on the vehicles will be reprogramed as calmer and floor to ceiling screen virtual landscapes/backgrounds more than the current majority physical sets and animatronics.
 

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