News Zootopia and Moana Blue Sky concepts for Disney's Animal Kingdom

jhendrix

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Any chance, after the huge fan reaction at D23 last year to the Villains land and the lackluster applause to Moana and Zootopia, that Disney decides to split the wealth and move Villains to AK instead where Dinoland is, and, I don't know, call it "Beastly Kingdom" or something...?
 

RSoxNo1

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It's such a weird IP. It made $1bn worldwide, it's a top 10 streaming title on D+, the spinoff shorts were popular, the character meet and greet at DCA still gets a line 7 years later... but it just can't move merch in the US.
Maybe... and hear me out. People just like it as movie and we don't need to express that fandom across other mediums?

For what it's worth, Mickey Views is suggesting that Zootopia is coming to DAK but not DINOSAUR. I've long thought of the logistics on how to get to the plot of land North of Asia and so far the best idea I've come up with is to replace the train with a Skyliner. Alternatively, they could make the train a shuttle with a switch track and eliminate the track loop that butts up against Maharajah Jungle Trek.

Either way, I still don't like Zootopia in DAK but would prefer it as a separated land / new build instead of a replacement to Dinoland.
 

TheMaxRebo

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Does Moana even warrant an entire land based around it? I mean, is her island really a Hogwarts-level location that everyone wants to explore?

It's definitely has a look and feel to it, really good music, etc.

Definitely hear big cheers during the Moana sections of any night time shows it is part of

it is constantly still in the top list of streaming downloads, etc.

I think as much as anything not Frozen of anything semi-recent
 

Skibum1970

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I would prefer the Moana ride and upgrade Dinosaur or fix its animatronics. No way Villains should be a land in AK. Put that over in DHS.
 

999th Happy Haunt

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Does Moana even warrant an entire land based around it? I mean, is her island really a Hogwarts-level location that everyone wants to explore?
This made me think and I don’t know if I can’t think of any location that is on a Hogwarts level of the general public wanting to visit. The only opponents I can think of are the Millennium Falcon (now a lackluster attraction) and maybe Jurassic Park (right next to HP in IoA). I haven’t watched any Lord of the Rings but from what I know it could be a contender.

The lesson learned here is Islands might be the park with the best wish fulfillment for franchise movie fans with recreations of Hogsmede and JP right next to each other.
 

the_rich

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This made me think and I don’t know if I can’t think of any location that is on a Hogwarts level of the general public wanting to visit. The only opponents I can think of are the Millennium Falcon (now a lackluster attraction) and maybe Jurassic Park (right next to HP in IoA). I haven’t watched any Lord of the Rings but from what I know it could be a contender.

The lesson learned here is Islands might be the park with the best wish fulfillment for franchise movie fans with recreations of Hogsmede and JP right next to each other.
Wakanda for me. Lotr; maybe the shire. But you can actually go to the real place in New zealand.
 

James Alucobond

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Most properties just aren't setting-forward, at least not in a way that simultaneously evokes a sense of familiarity and comfort while also being elaborate and intriguing. In my opinion, Jurassic Park and Lord of the Rings honestly don't even come close to the Wizarding World, and I actually kind of doubt even the French Ministry of Magical Affairs will have the same effect. Of the properties available at either park, Hyrule might come the closest considering how integral exploration of a singular setting throughout time is to the series, but Zelda does not have the popularity of Harry Potter, and I doubt any land they build for it would have the proper scope. It would at the very least need a proper castle, castle town, and Temple of Time.
 

MagicHappens1971

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Most properties just aren't setting-forward, at least not in a way that simultaneously evokes a sense of familiarity and comfort while also being elaborate and intriguing. In my opinion, Jurassic Park and Lord of the Rings honestly don't even come close to the Wizarding World, and I actually kind of doubt even the French Ministry of Magical Affairs will have the same effect.
The inside is going to the British Ministry of Magic as featured in the original books & films. .
 

James Alucobond

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The inside is going to the British Ministry of Magic as featured in the original books & films. .
As part of the ride, yes? I was under the impression that it takes you through the Floo Network but that the land itself where shopping, dining, etc. occur will all be themed to France, meaning it's not really the same feel as shopping along Diagon Alley or dining in Hogsmeade.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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For fun...

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mysto

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This made me think and I don’t know if I can’t think of any location that is on a Hogwarts level of the general public wanting to visit. The only opponents I can think of are the Millennium Falcon (now a lackluster attraction) and maybe Jurassic Park (right next to HP in IoA). I haven’t watched any Lord of the Rings but from what I know it could be a contender.

The lesson learned here is Islands might be the park with the best wish fulfillment for franchise movie fans with recreations of Hogsmede and JP right next to each other.
Wait, do we care about the general public?
 

Advisable Joseph

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So is dinosour safe if zootopia isnt going into dinoland?
Could be Indy with Dinosaurs. Heck, it could be Zootopians studying prehistoric animals, as a museum of natural history played a major role in the movie, with the rumor you're referring to meaning Zootopia land would go somewhere else.

Heck, why not Donald Duck and Prof. Von Drake meet dinos?

I even saw rumors of something totally different, like the Jungle Book, from the source of the rumor you referred to.
 

Cmdr_Crimson

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IMO I still think if they will switch to Adventure Kingdom when they can't figure anything else after Epic Universe rolls in a few years. And since Sea World parks are more focused on rides now then their animal exhibits it would be the only way to go with it.

Besides, the other parks have had an identity issues..
Epcot: EPCOT CENTER, EPCOT94, EPCOT95, EPCOT96, Epcot, & EPCOT
Disney Hollywood Studios: Disney*MGM Studios

And it's not like the entire resort is just a MEGA Disneyland with the parks being the land of each one..
MK - Fantasyland
Epcot - Tomorrowland
AK - Adventureland
DHS - Uhhhhhhhhhhh? Aren't IP's great!?

With the name change it then changes the landscape of what they can do with that park..
 

yensidtlaw1969

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This made me think and I don’t know if I can’t think of any location that is on a Hogwarts level of the general public wanting to visit. The only opponents I can think of are the Millennium Falcon (now a lackluster attraction) and maybe Jurassic Park (right next to HP in IoA). I haven’t watched any Lord of the Rings but from what I know it could be a contender.

The lesson learned here is Islands might be the park with the best wish fulfillment for franchise movie fans with recreations of Hogsmede and JP right next to each other.
I think the real lesson should be that one need not turn to movie properties for locations to create successful wish fulfillment.

Cinderella Castle ties itself (loosely) to the 1950 movie, but its success as a worldwide dream destination isn't based around audiences desperate desire to visit that specific place after watching the movie. Technically, Cinderella Castle at Magic Kingdom isn't even supposed to be the castle from the movie. Same sort of thing with The Haunted Mansion, same with Big Thunder Mountain - these attractions pull from aspirational notions that are far bigger and more timeless than any one movie, book, or franchise provides.

While it isn't necessarily bad to pull from them on occassion - using a once-in-a-generation property like Harry Potter makes plenty of sense - letting that tail wag the dog is how you end up with theme parks full of lands whose meanings are isolated from each other, and with millions of dollars being thrown at properties whose popularity does not necessarily translate to a desire to visit the locales.

This is one of the reasons why Moana would make a better ride than a land. The aspirational moment for guests who enjoy that movie would be to sail on a voyage with Moana and encounter some of the characters/creatures, not to just visit her island, and not to just end up out on the open ocean. The only real distinct and unique location in that movie was the Realm of Monsters, but it was just a footnote and I don't see people clamoring to go there specifically. Zootopia at least offers a breadth of locations unified under one umbrella, which if properly developed could make for an interesting land to explore. They seem to be doing that in Shanghai. And yet, puzzlingly, that doesn't even seem to be the pitch at WDW - Zootopia seems to be sequestered to a standalone ride.

They really need to get their head around the idea that the property itself will usually tell you if it should be a land, a ride, or neither. Some things simply do not need to be blown up to the proportion of a land.
 
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doctornick

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This made me think and I don’t know if I can’t think of any location that is on a Hogwarts level of the general public wanting to visit. The only opponents I can think of are the Millennium Falcon (now a lackluster attraction) and maybe Jurassic Park (right next to HP in IoA). I haven’t watched any Lord of the Rings but from what I know it could be a contender.

I think Star Trek potentially works (bridge, Quark’s bar, etc) though it’s probably not as popular overall as some IPs. The Star Trek Experience (RIP) was actually really awesome and arguably ahead of its time with that.
 

Chef idea Mickey`=

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IMO I still think if they will switch to Adventure Kingdom when they can't figure anything else after Epic Universe rolls in a few years.

And it's not like the entire resort is just a MEGA Disneyland with the parks being the land of each one..
MK - Fantasyland
Epcot - Tomorrowland
AK - Adventureland
DHS - Uhhhhhhhhhhh? Aren't IP's great!?

With the name change it then changes the landscape of what they can do with that park..

Wow, I never looked at hindsight at the parks this way! I always assumed that Disney's Hollywood Studios would become Disney's Hollywood Adventure Park! Disney's Hollywood Studios needs to just have Hollywood in the front and central and everywhere else encircling all around major lands. Just imagine Star Wars Land, Toy Story Land, Cars Land, World of Arrendale, and Zootopia. World of Arrendale would transform Magic Kingdom literally!
 

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