News Zootopia and Moana Blue Sky concepts for Disney's Animal Kingdom

Advisable Joseph

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Perhaps, but Rohde does know Animal Kingdom better than Lasseter does, and what fits or doesn't fit inside of it.
Again, the animals are not stand-ins for humans. That is the idea Rohde is suggesting, which John Lasseter disagrees with, as does Byron Howard (director) and Jen Lee. They know the themes of Zootopia better than Rohde.*

It's less anthropomorphic than A Bug's Life, for what it's worth.

Think of it as It's Tough to Be a Mammal, and you will be happier, even if you never go on the ride.

You can choose to see the animal nature of the ride.

* Rohde can choose what the themes are to him, but that wouldn't matter to general park guests.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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Again, the animals are not stand-ins for humans. That is the idea Rohde is suggesting, which John Lasseter disagrees with, as does Byron Howard (director) and Jen Lee. They know the themes of Zootopia better than Rohde.*

It's less anthropomorphic than A Bug's Life, for what it's worth.

Think of it as It's Tough to Be a Mammal, and you will be happier, even if you never go on the ride.

You can choose to see the animal nature of the ride.

* Rohde can choose what the themes are to him, but that wouldn't matter to general park guests.
Zootopia is a thinly veiled metaphor for how humans interact with other humans. Not how humans interact with animals, how animals interact with humans, or how animals interact with animals.

Regardless of the creators’ intentions, the movie they made is not actually about animals.
 

Sir_Cliff

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There's something about this that feels even more of a loss than Splash Mountain, which felt almost inevitable and is replacing like for like, at least.

Converting Dinoland USA into Zootopialand and Moanaland seems to signal the death knell for the last of the truely original parks at WDW. While what's there might end up being higher quality, it seems like AK is becoming the next Epcot as a generic 'ride the movies' park built around the bones of an old park that still allows some glimpses of a different era in WDW and Imagineering history.

I don't really love Dinosaur, to be honest, but once this dam breaks history says that things will only keep rolling along in the same fashion.
 

BlakeW39

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There's something about this that feels even more of a loss than Splash Mountain, which felt almost inevitable and is replacing like for like, at least.

Converting Dinoland USA into Zootopialand and Moanaland seems to signal the death knell for the last of the truely original parks at WDW. While what's there might end up being higher quality, it seems like AK is becoming the next Epcot as a generic 'ride the movies' park built around the bones of an old park that still allows some glimpses of a different era in WDW and Imagineering history.

I don't really love Dinosaur, to be honest, but once this dam breaks history says that things will only keep rolling along in the same fashion.

These are dark, dark times to be a parks fan. The future of DAK looks gloomy to be sure. Let's hope that in say, 20 years or so, we don't look back on DAK like we look at EPCOT right now.
 
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BlakeW39

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Talking, etc. doesn't affect Tough to Be a Bug, right?

So choose to not let it affect Tough to Be a Mammal!
No, not "talking, etc." Talking is the only thing Zootopia and Tough to be a Bug have in common in regards to how they approach their animal characters.

Tough to be a Bug is nowhere near as anthropomorphized as Zootopia is. The bugs in that film are bugs which are anthropomorphized in order to tell a story. Zootopia's animals serve as allegories for humans and that won't change no matter how many times you deny it man.
 

Advisable Joseph

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You keep on wanting Joe Rohde to be right abut Zootopia, to the point of denying the extreme anthropomophism of ... Bug,and refuse to see Lasster, Howard, and Lee's POV. 😪

There are a few folks here who can understand; I'm really talking to them.
 

UNCgolf

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There's something about this that feels even more of a loss than Splash Mountain, which felt almost inevitable and is replacing like for like, at least.

Converting Dinoland USA into Zootopialand and Moanaland seems to signal the death knell for the last of the truely original parks at WDW. While what's there might end up being higher quality, it seems like AK is becoming the next Epcot as a generic 'ride the movies' park built around the bones of an old park that still allows some glimpses of a different era in WDW and Imagineering history.

I don't really love Dinosaur, to be honest, but once this dam breaks history says that things will only keep rolling along in the same fashion.

Exactly this.

I don't care that much about Dinosaur as an attraction, especially in its current form. I didn't even ride it last time I was at WDW.

But it's not about saving the ride itself (which is the main issue people have with Splash Mountain -- there's not really any theme problem with Tiana, or at least not more than already existed with Splash). It's about the park as a whole. Replacing Dinosaur would be fine (putting aside that they shouldn't be replacing anything until they've made a bunch of additions) if the replacement made sense, but Zootopia is disastrous.

We could definitely be headed towards DAK becoming the next EPCOT, where what was once the best theme park in the world has turned into a generic mishmash of eh, whatever.
 
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Movielover

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It's less anthropomorphic than A Bug's Life
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How is wearing clothes, using cellphones, and driving automobiles less anthropomorphic than A Bug's Life?

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BlakeW39

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You keep on wanting Joe Rohde to be right abut Zootopia, to the point of denying the extreme anthropomophism of ... Bug,and refuse to see Lasster, Howard, and Lee's POV. 😪

There are a few folks here who can understand; I'm really talking to them.

Lol I don't want Joe to be right, I'm voicing my own opinions not Rohde's. We agree, but that's not just because I'm blindly following whatever he says. He's insightful, so I agree with him and greatly value what he has to say....but make no mistake. I don't 'want him to be right.' He IS right. I'm simply acknowledging that fact.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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You keep on wanting Joe Rohde to be right abut Zootopia, to the point of denying the extreme anthropomophism of ... Bug,and refuse to see Lasster, Howard, and Lee's POV. 😪

There are a few folks here who can understand; I'm really talking to them.

The anthropomorphism of A Bug's Life is far less extreme than Zootopia, to the point where I'm wondering if you've even seen that movie.

It's extremely distasteful to pretend that people here can't understand your point when in actuality your argument is just not convincing.
 

Incomudro

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Zootopia is a thinly veiled metaphor for how humans interact with other humans. Not how humans interact with animals, how animals interact with humans, or how animals interact with animals.

Regardless of the creators’ intentions, the movie they made is not actually about animals.
Yeah, they certainly did some research and put some animal qualities into some of them - notably the sloth at the DMV.
Aside from some bits like that though it's a human story.
And it takes place in a modern metropolis no less, and that really has no place in the Animal Kingdom park.
 

BlakeW39

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I think we can all agree, aside from a notable..few..that Zootopia does NOT fit in Animal Kingdom. Like, on any level. But, the fact remains that Bob is sticking us with it. So the the question is, when will this end? I'm tired of seeing these parks I grew up loving be creatively desicrated by poor leadership. Are we truly in an era where thematic direction, original IP, respect for the parks as a brand...are completely dead?
 

Animaniac93-98

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I think we can all agree, aside from a notable..few..that Zootopia does NOT fit in Animal Kingdom. Like, on any level. But, the fact remains that Bob is sticking us with it. So the the question is, when will this end? I'm tired of seeing these parks I grew up loving be creatively desicrated by poor leadership. Are we truly in an era where thematic direction, original IP, respect for the parks as a brand...are completely dead?

It seems to me that there's about 5-10 properties that Bob wants at each of the resorts and it's WDI job to just stick them wherever they can fit physically or potentially boost that park's attendance. It's why were going to end up with 4 Frozen lands in 4 different kinds of parks.

Once those are built, who knows what comes next.
 

James Alucobond

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Thing is though... while I do enjoy Universal, Disney used to be different. The Universal parks don't really have underlying themes that unite them as a single creative thing. They're just collections of random lands and attractions. Disney used to not be like that. EPCOT had its own identity. Magic Kingdom. Animal Kingdom. Hollywood Studios. But Bob seems to want nothing more than to make Disney parks indistinguishable from Universal outside of the specific IPs they feature.
I still think there’s a definite difference beyond the governing theme, and while it’s a bit difficult to describe, I think it ultimately stems from the fact that they have more absolute control over the portrayal of their IP. In Universal’s parks, you tend to get slavish replication of the style of the source material, likely because you have very particular rights holders, like Nintendo, the Doctor Seuss estate, J.K. Rowling, etc. At times, this works well, as with the Wizarding World where the films already made Hogwarts into a realistic, compelling place to visit; other times, it’s less convincing, like with the weirdly lumpy shapes of Seuss Landing clearly crafted from fiberglass, or the large, lifeless walls of flat color at Simpsons attractions.

Meanwhile, while Disney obviously makes concessions based on operational realities and relies on illusions to create a sense of scale, they also smartly ask the question, “What would this look like in the real world?” For instance, the various castles only vaguely resemble their film counterparts and are more concerned with actually looking like castles.

The closest analogy I can think of is costuming, wherein lots of folks imitating cartoon characters match color and pattern perfectly but construct it all from polyester satin, resulting in a thoroughly unconvincing store-bought look. Others interpret the designs, supposing that a corset might be made of leather or a blouse of silk, ultimately ending up with something that feels genuine, even if the pattern matches less.

To me, that’s a differentiator that won’t go away no matter how confused their IP placement is.
 

Brer Panther

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We could definitely be headed towards DAK becoming the next EPCOT, where what was once the best theme park in the world has turned into a generic mishmash of eh, whatever.
I'm terrified of that.

In fact, let's play a game. What IPs will be next to be shoehorned into Animal Kingdom after Zootopia and Moana take over Dinoland? And they can't be IPs that would actually fit in the park like The Jungle Book because they're not super-popular IPs at the moment.

Come on, taking all bets!
 

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