News Zootopia and Moana Blue Sky concepts for Disney's Animal Kingdom

[Stupido]

Honestly, my biggest concern about this expansion is the apparent plan to retain Triceratop Spin’s ride mechanism. If the land is intended m to be immersive, that’s going to break it for sure…

I don’t think it would be too immersion breaking. Every park needs a flat ride for families with young children (looking at you, Epcot), and with the theorized flume/boat ride being less intense than Tiana’s Bayou Adventure, I’d imagine this Moana area will be much more family focused. I just hope they bring more animals in to really round this out. I’d be pretty bummed if all we get are a FEA esque ride and a spinner.

 

[Bocabear]

if the concept art was a guide, a spinner themed to the Coconut Pirates would be super-cute...I would hope the area would also have some South Pacific tidal pools to explore and some animal exhibits from that region of the world... then it would be a nice addition...

 

[BlakeW39]

Eh, they’ve been doing quite a bit of brand new ideas with animated films - Strange World, Turning Red, Raya, Encanto, Soul, Luca have all come out just since the pandemic began. Elemental is on the way. Wish and Lightyear have elements of other films but are new ideas.

It’s true that for live action Disney, they have bailed on new ideas but that’s because they have been awful at trying. At some point they simply determined they weren’t successful at it and it was just wasting money.

Animated films are the only place Disney is making new content. Everywhere else, including the parks, is just repeats of the same tacky corporate brand ****.

 

[Elijah Abrams]

Still hoping it comes to Disney+.. while I have the dvd...It would be great to have it on it and not cut or butchered especially this scene..

Is there anything wrong with this scene that would prevent Disney from putting RocketMan on D+?

 

[Elijah Abrams]

The double down on Moana with the live action announcement definitely makes these blue sky ideas a little more possible for sure. Obv plans change all the time, but I'll def be watching this space

The concept art we’ve seen would be impossible to make happen in reality though, unless they decide to tear down the Nemo theatre. Heck, I think that, in the concept art, the water ride is placed where Primeval Whirl and the theatre were/are. I do think though that the Moana water ride should have animal exhibits in the queue like an aquarium for sea life in the South Pacific and Hawaii.

 

[ToTBellHop]

The concept art we’ve seen would be impossible to make happen in reality though, unless they decide to tear down the Nemo theatre. Heck, I think that, in the concept art, the water ride is placed where Primeval Whirl and the theatre were/are.

I’ve already shown Frozen Ever After could fit in without removing Nemo. I’m not expecting Splash Mountain scale.

 

[Brer Panther]

Then what was the purpose of making it animated in the first place?

Isn't it obvious? If they had just made it live action, it would've been a - GASP - original movie, and everyone knows that live action movies that aren't a remake, a reboot, or an adaptation of some pre-existing IP have no chance of doing well at the box office!

 

[J4546]

The concept art we’ve seen would be impossible to make happen in reality though, unless they decide to tear down the Nemo theatre. Heck, I think that, in the concept art, the water ride is placed where Primeval Whirl and the theatre were/are. I do think though that the Moana water ride should have animal exhibits in the queue like an aquarium for sea life in the South Pacific and Hawaii.

if they made the que like an aquarium that would be really cool imo. Or just a massive new aquarium exhibit...but I love aquariums.I wish the Epcot Seas pavilion would be torn down and completely redone, its way to small and dated and get rid of the dolphins.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

The concept art we’ve seen would be impossible to make happen in reality though, unless they decide to tear down the Nemo theatre. Heck, I think that, in the concept art, the water ride is placed where Primeval Whirl and the theatre were/are. I do think though that the Moana water ride should have animal exhibits in the queue like an aquarium for sea life in the South Pacific and Hawaii.

It really isn't - presumably some of the space behind the Primeval Whirl lot could be reclaimed in the name of Moana, but even if not there's space for something sizeable without impacting the Nemo Theater:

 

[Marc Davis Fan]

I don’t think it would be too immersion breaking. Every park needs a flat ride for families with young children (looking at you, Epcot), and with the theorized flume/boat ride being less intense than Tiana’s Bayou Adventure, I’d imagine this Moana area will be much more family focused. I just hope they bring more animals in to really round this out. I’d be pretty bummed if all we get are a FEA esque ride and a spinner.

It could certainly be worse, but what I meant is...

At their best, Disney theme park lands transport us to other times and places in ways that allow us to suspend our disbelief. One of the ways they've accomplished this is to avoid "non-diagetic" elements such as exposed steel roller coasters and carnival flat rides (apart from areas that don't attempt transport us to specific times/places, such as Tomorrowland and the original versions of Fantasyland). When they diligently recreate a time/place - such as Pandora or Liberty Square (America during the time of the Revolution) for instance - adding a flat ride would destroy the carefully-crafted illusion that permits the experience of "immersion."

So, if this new land is more like the early versions of Fantasyland, where it's a semi-abstract representation of things, in that case amusement park rides could fit even if they're not optimal (since immersion is in large part what makes Disney Disney). But if it claims to transport us to, say, the world of Moana, then an amusement park ride would contradict ("break") that.

I also think there are a lot of attraction types that are wonderful for families with young children (e.g., boat rides, dark rides, etc.) that aren't amusement park flat rides.

 

[KingMickey13]

It could certainly be worse, but what I meant is...

At their best, Disney theme park lands transport us to other times and places in ways that allow us to suspend our disbelief. One of the ways they've accomplished this is to avoid "non-diagetic" elements such as exposed steel roller coasters and carnival flat rides (apart from areas that don't attempt transport us to specific times/places, such as Tomorrowland and the original versions of Fantasyland). When they diligently recreate a time/place - such as Pandora or Liberty Square (America during the time of the Revolution) for instance - adding a flat ride would destroy the carefully-crafted illusion that permits the experience of "immersion."

So, if this new land is more like the early versions of Fantasyland, where it's a semi-abstract representation of things, in that case amusement park rides could fit even if they're not optimal (since immersion is in large part what makes Disney Disney). But if it claims to transport us to, say, the world of Moana, then an amusement park ride would contradict ("break") that.

I also think there are a lot of attraction types that are wonderful for families with young children (e.g., boat rides, dark rides, etc.) that aren't amusement park flat rides.

I think it’s going to be more “general” like Fantasyland. Look at Dumbo and the Mad Tea Party…

 

[James Alucobond]

So, if this new land is more like the early versions of Fantasyland, where it's a semi-abstract representation of things, in that case amusement park rides could fit even if they're not optimal (since immersion is in large part what makes Disney Disney). But if it claims to transport us to, say, the world of Moana, then an amusement park ride would contradict ("break") that.

Kakamora constructs are absurd enough in the film that, if disguised as shown in the concept art, it's pretty indistinguishable from elements shown to be part of Moana's world.

 

[WondersOfLife]

Every park needs a flat ride for families with young children

No they don't.... In fact... Epcot THRIVED without one since its opening day into the early 90s.

 

[Coaster Lover]

No they don't.... In fact... Epcot THRIVED without one since its opening day into the early 90s.

To be fair, when EPCOT opened, I don't think ANY ride had a height requirement (someone can correct me if I'm wrong)... in fact I think the first ride with a height requirement wasn't added until 7 years after EPCOT opened when Body Wars opened. EPCOT was an entire park that was accessible to everyone and every attraction could be enjoyed by every person. It's honestly what DAK and DHS severely lack right now... more rides that can be enjoyed by every height requirement.

 

[BlakeW39]

To be fair, when EPCOT opened, I don't think ANY ride had a height requirement (someone can correct me if I'm wrong)... in fact I don't think the first ride with a height requirement came about until 7 years after EPCOT opened when Body Wars opened. EPCOT was an entire park was accessible to everyone and every attraction could be enjoyed by every person. It's honestly what DAK and DHS severely lack right now... more rides that can be enjoyed by every height requirement.

Tbh I think Animal Kingdom just lacks rides in general. DHS too but to a lesser extent. DAK is my favorite theme park and it has like, what, 3 major E-tickets? I'm sorry but for what Disney charges that's just unacceptable, especially since one of those three is Everest, which has been broken for more than 15 years.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Tbh I think Animal Kingdom just lacks rides in general. DHS too but to a lesser extent. DAK is my favorite theme park and it has like, what, 3 major E-tickets? I'm sorry but for what Disney charges that's just unacceptable, especially since one of those three is Everest, which has been broken for more than 15 years.

Doesn’t seem they are interested in adding an E-ticket with the Dinoland project…

 

[UNCgolf]

Doesn’t seem they are interested in adding an E-ticket with the Dinoland project…

Does that mean Zootopia is off the table? The one in Shanghai is an E, isn't it?

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Is there anything wrong with this scene that would prevent Disney from putting RocketMan on D+?

Not to many..But, then there's "those kind of people" who can't enjoy humor now a days...

 

[ToTBellHop]

Does that mean Zootopia is off the table? The one in Shanghai is an E, isn't it?

The discussion was regarding the number of rides in the park. I was just saying converting Dinosaur into Zootopia doesn’t add an E-ticket, unfortunately. They are so resistant to actual expansion…it would be very strange if they do all of this work and the only actual expansion is at MK.

 

[GhostHost1000]

“Wow! You know what we really need? We need a live action version of Moana!”… said no one ever. I love Moana, but what would the purpose of a live action remake be? If this is what they got, their creative bankruptcy problem is worse than I thought

Moana 2 (animated) would be better received than another live action remake with little new creativity