Yeti is indeed being fixed! Update 8/4/2014

Buried20KLeague

Buried20KLeague

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dmw said:
The perspective of someone who does not go regularly, FWIW.

I've been to AK twice - once before EE was even under construction, and last year. I never knew anything about the Yeti, nor did its current state make any difference to me - we rode it three times in one day. I never noticed the bird, flags or any other details that apparently are sometimes there, other times not, based on what I read here. To me, the ride is well themed and a blast to ride.

And, even if EE was down for a while for a repairs, it would not make any difference in our plans to visit AK. It is just one ride in a park that has a lot to offer, if you are not just looking for thrill rides. Yes, we would miss it, as we missed Kilimanjaro falls and Splash (both closed on our last visit). But, we still would enjoy the visit to the park.

The parks have so much to offer, if you want to take time to experience it all. Having one or two attractions "dark" (to use show terms) on a visit would not ruin the experience for me.

MHO - YMMV :)
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Thanks for your input. And I can totally see where you're coming from.

It's just human nature as you become more familiar with something, that you notice intricacies that before you might not have... And that's largely the point most of us "regulars" have gotten to.

It gets even worse (at least for me) when you start visiting other places and having more to compare against.

But I will say that I appreciate your viewpoint that you wouldn't mind if something was down for refurb on a trip. That's a good mindset to keep.
 
WDF

WDF

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Buried20KLeague said:
I like to think it has more to do with effort than luck... But to each their own.

Traveling internationally isn't always as difficult as people think, either. For some reason, most Americans just believe it too daunting a task... Heck, the last figure I saw was that only 10% of Americans even have passports. And of that 10%, I'm willing to be only 1% have stamps in them from someplace other than Mexico, Canada, or the Caribbean.

It's not like that in other places. Passports and international travel are fairly common.

Right, @marni1971 ?
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Okay.
 
Mawg

Mawg

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Buried20KLeague said:
There are all kinds of holes in your analogy, the largest being that not everyone is ignorant of the fact it's a lesser product. I believe, certainly, that you are correct that the majority are. We all know that the core audience for WDW is once in a lifetime families, or once every 5 years. That's been said before, by Disney themselves, if I recall. I don't fault those people, because as you say, they don't know any better. I fault the people that know the bill of goods they're being sold, and aren't bothered by it... Which is a large majority of the people on this site, and the people that I'm discussing the topic with.

My problem isn't with the ignorant. It's with the willing.

And as to my park touring habits... I practice what I preach. We were a family that would spend 10 days at the parks 3 times each year, staying on site for every single trip. That stopped 6 or 7 years ago when we first visited Tokyo Disneyland. It really opened our eyes to what the parks in Florida COULD be, and where they were falling short. It became easier and easier to see the issues in Florida (while watching the prices raise), and we started taking our vacation dollars elsewhere. Since then, we've been season passholders at Disneyland, made trips to DLP, Hong Kong, and then recently back to TDL for what was the best Disney Parks trip of our entire lives. Our dollars spent at WDW have been severely cut back. We've been there once for 5 days in the past 3 years and stayed off site. We've spent days at UNI instead. We've gone on cruises. We've taken beach vacations. That trip to Tokyo changed us. We'll never look at things the same, and we're happy for that. We reward performance with our vacation dollars, and we're happier and have gotten a better value for it.

And we're fully aware we're a drop in WDW's collective bucket. We know that when we step out of line, someone else will step in. But my point is that I'm doing my part. I'm spending elsewhere. I'm getting articles written in the Sentinel about this very Yeti issue. I'm trying to open other people's eyes on a forum that is largely visited (and supported) by people that know there's something wrong at our beloved WDW. Some see it, some don't. Some that see it are so addicted they can't stop going even though they want to. Some willingly feed the addiction and don't care who knows it. Others just don't seem to understand you can get your fix elsewhere, and feel an equal (or better) euphoria. What frustrates me is I know that if enough people do what I have done, our beloved WDW WOULD be fixed. They wouldn't have a choice. I could once again call WDW my "home". But people ARE sheep, largely. Not many think for themselves. They just don't. They follow the herd. And 50 million of their fellow herd visit WDW yearly, so... It's gotta be worth it, right?? There can't possibly be a similar and better product elsewhere, right??

Frustrating.

And after I say all that... I will say there are some positives happening at WDW. More now than in the recent few years (thanks UNI!!). So it's not all completely doom and gloom. If this yeti gets restored to A mode, I'll tell my friends about it just as I've used it as the poster child for why to NOT visit WDW currently. But the list is still long, and it'll take more than a moving yeti to make WDW a better Disney Parks destination than DL currently.
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I agree, with those statements and enjoy DL more also. Never been to any park outside of the US but would like to. I'm happy to hear you are holding your money back, because people who complain about these details but happily hand their money over bug me. It's the same with people who complain about their government but never vote. One Vote does make a difference. That being said, I still go to WDW every 3 years or so and I really don't notice the decline maybe it's because I don't go as often but I hear the complaints about everything on these boards. Then I go and everything is so beautifully landscaped and clean, the CM's are so nice and the kids have so much fun. But now I catch myself looking at the celling of IASMW and how nasty it is, no one else sees it but I do because I read it on here first. Was it that way when I was a kid, I have no idea and I don't point it out to my kids so they won't have any idea. All I know is I'm not ready to hold my money back, I still feel like I'm getting what I pay for.
 
Buried20KLeague

Buried20KLeague

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Mawg said:
I agree, with those statements and enjoy DL more also. Never been to any park outside of the US but would like to. I'm happy to hear you are holding your money back, because people who complain about these details but happily hand their money over bug me. It's the same with people who complain about their government but never vote. One Vote does make a difference. That being said, I still go to WDW every 3 years or so and I really don't notice the decline maybe it's because I don't go as often but I hear the complaints about everything on these boards. Then I go and everything is so beautifully landscaped and clean, the CM's are so nice and the kids have so much fun. But now I catch myself looking at the celling of IASMW and how nasty it is, no one else sees it but I do because I read it on here first. Was it that way when I was a kid, I have no idea and I don't point it out to my kids so they won't have any idea. All I know is I'm not ready to hold my money back, I still feel like I'm getting what I pay for.
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I completely agree. There are far too many people here that complain, yet continue to "feed the beast".

And I was like you for a while. I started noticing this and that, but still felt it was worth my dollar. Eventually, there was a tipping point for me. Maybe you'll reach one, maybe you won't. Maybe they'll improve the situation so you'll never reach that point. I've just found better places to spend my vacation dollars and still get my Disney Parks fix.

And I HIGHLY encourage you (or anyone else) to visit TDL if it's ever possible. It's Mecca for Disney Park fans. But... It WILL screw up your view of WDW.
 
dupac

dupac

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Buried20KLeague said:
I like to think it has more to do with effort than luck... But to each their own.

Traveling internationally isn't always as difficult as people think, either. For some reason, most Americans just believe it too daunting a task... Heck, the last figure I saw was that only 10% of Americans even have passports. And of that 10%, I'm willing to be only 1% have stamps in them from someplace other than Mexico, Canada, or the Caribbean.

It's not like that in other places. Passports and international travel are fairly common.

Right, @marni1971 ?
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Actually it is more like a third of Americans have passports. Just FYI :)
 
Mawg

Mawg

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Buried20KLeague said:
I completely agree. There are far too many people here that complain, yet continue to "feed the beast".

And I was like you for a while. I started noticing this and that, but still felt it was worth my dollar. Eventually, there was a tipping point for me. Maybe you'll reach one, maybe you won't. Maybe they'll improve the situation so you'll never reach that point. I've just found better places to spend my vacation dollars and still get my Disney Parks fix.

And I HIGHLY encourage you (or anyone else) to visit TDL if it's ever possible. It's Mecca for Disney Park fans. But... It WILL screw up your view of WDW.
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So how were the shows when they are not in English, I would imagine they would all be in Japanese? Or do you speak Japanese? If, not did you find them just as enjoyable because you already kind of understood the plot. I would imagine that since English is pretty much the second language getting information from CM's would be pretty easy. My kids really enjoy a lot of the shows, I'm just skeptic how much they will enjoy them at the ages of 5 and 8 and not understanding the language. Guess I'm going off topic a little bit.
 
lazyboy97o

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Mawg said:
So how were the shows when they are not in English, I would imagine they would all be in Japanese? Or do you speak Japanese? If, not did you find them just as enjoyable because you already kind of understood the plot. I would imagine that since English is pretty much the second language getting information from CM's would be pretty easy. My kids really enjoy a lot of the shows, I'm just skeptic how much they will enjoy them at the ages of 5 and 8 and not understanding the language. Guess I'm going off topic a little bit.
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English is far less prevalent in Japan that one would expect, even at the Tokyo Disney Resort. I think the bigger hurdle in regards to the shows would be the demand for them as they are incredibly popular.
 
WDF

WDF

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lazyboy97o said:
English is far less prevalent in Japan that one would expect, even at the Tokyo Disney Resort. I think the bigger hurdle in regards to the shows would be the demand for them as they are incredibly popular.
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But I paid my money and I am willing to stand in line. Are you saying there are limited passes handed out?

:angelic:
 
xdan0920

xdan0920

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Buried20KLeague said:
I like to think it has more to do with effort than luck... But to each their own.

Traveling internationally isn't always as difficult as people think, either. For some reason, most Americans just believe it too daunting a task... Heck, the last figure I saw was that only 10% of Americans even have passports. And of that 10%, I'm willing to be only 1% have stamps in them from someplace other than Mexico, Canada, or the Caribbean.

It's not like that in other places. Passports and international travel are fairly common.

Right, @marni1971 ?
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Leave America?!?!?

No thanks.
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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Nemo14 said:
Yes, but when a lot of that company's business is based on the nostalgia factor, it's a bad idea to settle for mediocrity. 20 years from now will the kids who visited the parks in 2014 want to bring their kids there?
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I have to chime in as well.
If we just wait because "other people have the right to see it" and "Its a good ride as it is now".
Causing more delays to the fix. . then the thing will NEVER be fixed.
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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Mawg said:
Do you think there are kids that think it is mediocre right now? Mine sure don't, they think it's the best place on earth. And, they love Mt Everest.
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marni1971 said:
Maybe it's time to point out again Evererst wouldn't need a full closure to fix the yeti. Plans exist for this.

And shall I say the AA figure has actually been disassembled at least once already and then put back in place?
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if thats true.. OH WOW!!!!
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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George said:
This is a very good point, but I think there is a subtlety buried within this argument that needs to be drawn out, like the existential poison from Theoden's soul. I enjoyed Seinfeld. However, unlike my wife, I am far from an expert. Despite being a casual fan of the TV show, the multi-layered nuanced plots and weird recurring characters and themes were a plus for me. There is a point where if you started subtracting these elements, the show wouldn't have been worth the time for me, the casual fan. There will be a point, when enough casual theme park fans won't think of Disney as being special or different. This is the danger in letting things slide. Whether or not Disney is close to this point is up for debate. I think they have steered their intergalatic craft very close to the event horizon and, are perhaps, turning their engines to reverse just in time to steer their craft away from the abyss. However, the gravitational pull may be too much to overcome. The odds on this are 4.324:2.7465.



This kind of thing really, really annoyed Bob Epcot and Phil Studios when they were alive.



This is very, very good news. @tikiman - you provide good info that is grounded in reality and several folk (also @wdw71fan ) have already mentioned the FY budget, yeti repair inclusion, so no need to worry about defending the veracity of your claim. Even if it doesn't happen, in my mind, you provided good info. In fact, I'd use colorful language if I were you and people were questioning my rumor. For example, I might say, "Listen you periwinkle weirdo, why don't you go eat some taupe".



100% correct, which is a good post even for someone of your caliber (you tend to float around the 82.34% correct per post mark).



As usual, very well stated and thought provoking (note that I don't even throw in the "for a Canadian" qualifier like most of the jingoist rubes that populate this virtual world). I don't completely disagree. However, Disney has let a ride run in "pretty good mode" for the better part of a decade when the potential for "super duper mode" existed. The Disney I used to know would have never done that. Perhaps that Disney is gone. I should let it go. Maybe, they realize they are losing some cachet and are going to use the attendance spike that will accompany the new night time show and then avatar land opening to try and regain this important market place advantage. Time will tell.



This is a wonderful way to summarize the situation. The climax of a very good ride has been unfulfilled for years. As mentioned by many, rides without climaxes are not as good as rides with climaxes. Now it just ends all suddenly and your ride partner often times is glaring at you.



Correct. See my Seinfeld post above if all the fancy numerical calculations in this post are confusing. Also, you can look back in this thread and see that Mr. SoxNo1 has changed is satisfaction modeling algorithm over the the years because he used to claim that guests left Everest 75% satisfied as opposed to 85% satisfied. I believe the change is due to what I refer to as the "bird on a stick" constant.
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Mawg

Mawg

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lazyboy97o said:
Why does it really matter that people enjoy Expedition Everest with the Yeti in B Mode? Would most of these people not enjoy A Mode?
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I've had a Philly cheese steak at Geno's, it was so good. It ruined it for me everywhere else I go. I don't live anywhere near Philly, I order one from any other place and I'm always disappointed. I just don't even bother any more. Every once in while my wife orders one somewhere and she says it's really good. So, I brave up and try it, nope never as good still a disappointment. I tell my wife, I can't understand how you like this. All of those that have experienced "A" mode are ruined and want nothing less. I get it. But, you also have to understand that it is not ruined for the greater majority of people that have never experience A mode. It's still a great attraction. Would we all like a Cheese Steak from Geno's, Hell yes, and some don't even know they want it. Is this the mentality that Disney is preying on by not fixing it? Yes! But, still the opinion of most is that it is a great attraction. It is probably difficult for someone who has experienced "A" mode to understand and they just get so frustrated with the rest of us. Now, I would really like to experience "A" mode, I hope it is all you guys are making it out to be.
 

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