WOW - What a week at WDW

[Chi84]

Deferred gratification gives you orders of magnitude more enjoyment if you are disciplined.

Also, you can do some of both. This dude had a terrible trip and would have likely been happier (and richer) not going.

I really don’t understand people who complain so much about WDW yet continue to visit.

I would never counsel anyone to take a vacation they couldn’t comfortably afford. We never did when we were young, which is why we can afford to take the kids and grandkids now.

 

[Chef Mickey]

I really don’t understand people who complain so much about WDW yet continue to visit.

I would never counsel anyone to take a vacation they couldn’t comfortably afford. We never did when we were young, which is why we can afford to take the kids and grandkids now.

See, it works.

And you're recognizing he went and had a bad time, so the advice was sound in this case too.

You're starting to come around.

 

[Chi84]

See, it works.

And you're recognizing he went and had a bad time, so the advice was sound in this case too.

You're starting to come around.

Not really. He may have more money than he can handle. Or this could have been the first bad trip in all of those 25 years.

Advice is most valuable in advance of one’s actions. Otherwise it’s just hindsight.

 

[donaldtoo]

For 6 people, I'm guessing you spent around $10k for the trip since you stayed in a Value resort?

Instead of blowing it on a trip, put $10k/yr in a brokerage account for the 6 month old and he'll have almost $3,000,000 at 35.

Yea, but what’s $3,000,000 actually gonna’ be worth 35-ish years from now…???!!!

 

[Chef Mickey]

You absolutely did give him random financial advice!

That's fair, but it had context and more people should follow it in the OP's situation, which is why I meant it wasn't totally random. He had a bad time. That sucks. People spending thousands doing things they hate and they're doing it on credit or saving all year for it is hard to hear. It hurts to read that. I hope he's not in that position and he's rich.

Thought OP could use this strategy the next time he thinks a Disney trip would be fun. Tbh, I only go to Disney because I have a lot of vacation and it's more convenient and cheaper than my other trips.- otherwise, I think I'd rarely go. I have a lot of nostalgia for it too but it's a shell of its former self, although the nostalgia does keep me going.

If you're going and you don't have a lot of disposable income, it's a pretty painful way to vacation.

 

[donaldtoo]

More than not doing it, I'll tell you that.

Indeed, and I get that…I was trying to lighten things up here a bit.
But, I honestly really do wonder how much $3,000,000 will be worth in 35 years.

 

[Chef Mickey]

Indeed, and I get that…I was trying to lighten things up here a bit.
But, I honestly really do wonder how much $3,000,000 will be worth in 35 years.

If it helps, $3,000,000 today was about $1.2M in 1989.

At current rates of government spending, I'd guess $3M in 2060 will be about $1M of buying power today. Perhaps even less.

 

[Chi84]

That's fair, but it had context and more people should follow it in the OP's situation, which is why I meant it wasn't totally random. He had a bad time. That sucks. People spending thousands doing things they hate and they're doing it on credit or saving all year for it is hard to hear. It hurts to read that. I hope he's not in that position and he's rich.

Thought OP could use this strategy the next time he thinks a Disney trip would be fun. Tbh, I only go to Disney because I have a lot of vacation and it's more convenient and cheaper than my other trips.- otherwise, I think I'd rarely go. I have a lot of nostalgia for it too but it's a shell of its former self, although the nostalgia does keep me going.

If you're going and you don't have a lot of disposable income, it's a pretty painful way to vacation.

WDW is not for people who don’t have a lot of disposable income.

 

[Chef Mickey]

WDW is not for people who don’t have a lot of disposable income.

Oh but it is whether we like it or not.

 

[Chi84]

Oh but it is whether we like it or not.

It’s for people who can’t afford it?

 

[Chef Mickey]

It’s for people who can’t afford it?

I bet over half the people who go can't afford it, so, yes?

 

[Chi84]

I bet over half the people who go can't afford it, so, yes?

I have no idea if that’s true or not.

There are a lot of people with money.

 

[donaldtoo]

A lot of folks in the US are also running up a bunch of credit card debt, these days. Best I can tell, from a quick internet search, it averages around 8-9K per household.
I would assume many are running some, or a lot, of that up on vacations, including for Disney trips.
Fortunately, we haven’t had to resort to doing this, and have zero credit card debt.
Every Disney trip, cruise, etc., we’ve ever taken was paid for in full in advance.
We wouldn’t do it otherwise.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

tell your boss to pay you a living wage

Yeah, that always works. Plus, it would be a pay cut for any decent server or bartender.

Do you not understand how tips work?

Clearly you don’t.

Till I realized I could make more money on the stock crew at Walmart than at the restaurant I was working.

That says more about you, or the establishment you chose - or you don’t understand that you start with slower shifts until you prove you can handle busier ones where you earn more money.

I'm sitting at the Red Lobster for 2 hours

Then you should tip extra for taking up a table a lot longer than it takes to eat at frickin Red Lobster.

I'll occasionally tip an Uber driver

Wow.

ok, boomer

Pretty sure that breaks forum rules.

But somehow I am the bad guy because I no longer tip 18-20% with these new factors?

Correct.

it is common knowledge that tipping has been reduced.

Says who?

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I have no idea if that’s true or not.

There are a lot of people with money.

Probably alluding to putting a trip on a cc, like that’s such a big deal.

What’s the thread topic again? Rage dining?

 

[WondersOfLife]

Yeah, that always works. Plus, it would be a pay cut for any decent server or bartender.

Sounds like a society issue still.

Clearly you don’t.

Tips are service based.

That says more about you, or the establishment you chose - or you don’t understand that you start with slower shifts until you prove you can handle busier ones where you earn more money.

Work smarter not harder.

Then you should tip extra for taking up a table a lot longer that it takes to eat at frickin Red Lobster.

naah fam. This dude was stoned out of his mind. Never got our drinks refilled. Had to flag him down every half hour to get anything done at all. And the place was empty. My 76 year old dad was complaining and I was trying to defend the guy at first. But good god lordy was this server worthless.

Wow.

i know. Crazy.

Pretty sure that breaks forum rules.

Theirs was just "Ok, Gen Z" with extra steps. Double standards.

See? I can do this too.

 

[Nubs70]

It’s for people who can’t afford it?

If you are financing your trip.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Sounds like a society issue still.

But that’s the way it is for now. One particular business can’t change that. Only industry wide decisions or laws can change that. In the meantime, you play by the rules.

Furthermore, again, the hourly wage for decent servers is completely irrelevant, because you make your money on the tips. You make more than anyone working at any Walmart, including Management, via Tips.

You know how you like to say it’s your choice to work there? It’s also your choice to work at a busier or higher end location versus a dive with no customers.

Also, in general to the people reading this: it is not unusual to have one or two shifts per week where you go home with $20. Then you make $400 on a Saturday. It balances out. So you can’t sit there and make assumptions about how many tables somebody has every hour and how much they make in tips per day. You’re only seeing one day.

Again, no decent server wants to trade a $15 or even $20 minimum wage for their tips. That would be cutting their pay at least in half.

If you didn’t make that much in a tipped position, you did it incorrectly.

Work smarter not harder.

But you didn’t. There’s no way you make more at Walmart than a tipped position unless you were horrible at your tipped position or chose thewrong tipped position.

I can do this too

Apparently you think so.

Look it up before you try to correct me. It has been an open conversation since the tipped wage went up.

Amongst whom?

 

[Club Cooloholic]

But that’s the way it is for now. One particular business can’t change that. Only industry wide decisions or laws can change that. In the meantime, you play by the rules.

Furthermore, again, the hourly wage for decent servers is completely irrelevant, because you make your money on the tips. You make more than anyone working at any Walmart, including Management, via Tips.

You know how you like to say it’s your choice to work there? It’s also your choice to work at a busier or higher end location versus a dive with no customers.

Also, in general to the people reading this: it is not unusual to have one or two shifts per week where you go home with $20. Then you make $400 on a Saturday. It balances out. So you can’t sit there and make assumptions about how many tables somebody has every hour and how much they make in tips per day. You’re only seeing one day.

Again, no decent server wants to trade a $15 or even $20 minimum wage for their tips. That would be cutting their pay at least in half.

If you didn’t make that much in a tipped position, you did it incorrectly.

But you didn’t. There’s no way you make more at Walmart than a tipped position unless you were horrible at your tipped position or chose thewrong tipped position.

Apparently you think so.

Amongst whom?

Not to mention wait staff is often required to tip out to bussers and bartenders. This is not based on what their tips were but on what the totals of receipts were, at least ESPN Zone operated that way and they were a Disney run company. So on a night of bad tippers that person could be ending up with a just a few dollars in tips.
Am aside the argument that people should get a different job is coming from the same people who complain about the society they live in. We all know there are cheapos out there, it's just surprising anyone would admit it and try to defend it so hard.

 

[Chef Mickey]

I have no idea if that’s true or not.

There are a lot of people with money.

There are a lot more without money. A lot more. No money is the default in America and around the world. Disney is a consumer product and consumers generally charge it.