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NelsonRD

NelsonRD

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Chi84 said:
Maybe we need that Wonders guy to elevate the debate 😉
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Again, I am not against tipping. The argument has been made that without tips the cost of restaurants will increase, and I am suggesting this is happening now, with the increase in wage and fees. Reducing tips is a balance. I don’t think I should tip on the transaction credit card fee of 2%. So, I think 18% is too high now, you think 10% is too low. Maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle.
 
NelsonRD

NelsonRD

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Ayla said:
Kind? Compassionate? Sympathetic? Generous?
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That is the problem. This whole debate has revolved around emotions. Thinking you are a better person because you tip higher than others, all while avoiding the discussion of the changing landscape of tipped workers. You are unwilling to entertain the idea that as wages have increased, costs have been passed to the consumer in higher food cost, which at a 10% results in a higher tip as a whole. Tipping on a total that includes transaction fees, adds value to the 10% tip as well.
Overall, the 10% I leave as a dollar amount is much higher than tipping 15-18% in the past.
 
WondersOfLife

WondersOfLife

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JMcMahonEsq said:
So you want to switch to a system where you HAVE to pay more money...from a system where you get the choice on how much more you spend?
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According to the guys I'm responding to, I should be required to tip for any and all service ever, including on top of a required gratuity.

So yes, I'd rather pay more for my food and skimp on an appetizer or choose to go somewhere cheaper.
JMcMahonEsq said:
You want to change to a system where the business has to charge the customer more due to increased insurance costs and taxes which will be passed on to....you the customer?
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I knew this would be a response. With the way tipping culture is, yes. It would be far less complicated to pay a flat fee, like at a fast food joint, than to battle the ethics in regard to tipping culture in America.
 
Prince-1

Prince-1

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WondersOfLife said:
"Evil business practice".

Funny and pathetic at the same time.---

Alright. I'll hire you for pennies and have your life rely on tips when theres a super slow day at a restaurant.

"Funny and pathetic."
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If it is a good restaurant then a slow day is more than made up by all the good ones. Servers can also move to a new restaurant if they are unhappy where they are working.

And now you lost the funny.
 
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JMcMahonEsq

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WondersOfLife said:
According to the guys I'm responding to, I should be required to tip for any and all service ever, including on top of a required gratuity.

So yes, I'd rather pay more for my food and skimp on an appetizer or choose to go somewhere cheaper.

I knew this would be a response. With the way tipping culture is, yes. It would be far less complicated to pay a flat fee, like at a fast food joint, than to battle the ethics in regard to tipping culture in America.
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what in the world are you talking about?

In the current system you get to decide how much you are going to spend on a meal, the cost of the restaurant, and then the tip.

So you would rather the system where you are forced to.....pay more?

You can always go somewhere cheaper, but what's cheaper? If the system changes every business that currently has servers that are getting tips is going to have to raise their prices to cover the added costs. So really your choice is going to be to pay there, or go to a place that didn't have tipped service staff and wasn't forced to raise prices....a choice you can make right now.

How complicated is the system now? I mean seriously as far as tipping goes our 8yr old can figure out what 15 or 20% is. Hell most bills i see now a days have it marked out for you. It has nothing to do with complicated. If your not comfortable with what you decide to pay for a tip, that's on you. No one is putting a gun to your head or monitoring your bills.

And that leaves aside the absurdity that do you honestly think if we change over from a tipping system to a server min wage, where in CA now even fast food servers need to make $20 per hour (or at least come April) or in NY where min wage is $15.50 (dollar more in NYC) that the cost is going to be LESS than leaving 15% on a bill?
 
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JMcMahonEsq

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Ayla said:
Kind? Compassionate? Sympathetic? Generous?
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a sucker?

Starting this year, tipped workers in NYC are getting $13.75 in wages, as opposed to non-tipped staff where the min wage is $16.50. So there is a delta per hour of $2.75 that tipped workers are being paid less.

Now explain to me why these people deserve tips of 15-22% to cover such a small different in wage rates?

I mean lets assume you sit in a booth for 2 hours for a dinner? That's amounts to a $5.50 "loss" in wages from being a tipped staff vs not. But on a $100 check I am supposed to tip $20 bucks, along with every other table that person served for those 2 hours? It gets crazier when you go more expense. We went to Capital Grill on Saturday after the Pinstripe bowl (Damn refs should have been wearing Nebraska jersey...but i digress.) A steakhouse like that in the city the bill for 4 people was lets say $600 (excluding wine). Are we really supposed to tip $120 for 2 hours to make up a differential of $5.50?
 
Chi84

Chi84

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JMcMahonEsq said:
a sucker?

Starting this year, tipped workers in NYC are getting $13.75 in wages, as opposed to non-tipped staff where the min wage is $16.50. So there is a delta per hour of $2.75 that tipped workers are being paid less.

Now explain to me why these people deserve tips of 15-22% to cover such a small different in wage rates?

I mean lets assume you sit in a booth for 2 hours for a dinner? That's amounts to a $5.50 "loss" in wages from being a tipped staff vs not. But on a $100 check I am supposed to tip $20 bucks, along with every other table that person served for those 2 hours? It gets crazier when you go more expense. We went to Capital Grill on Saturday after the Pinstripe bowl (Damn refs should have been wearing Nebraska jersey...but i digress.) A steakhouse like that in the city the bill for 4 people was lets say $600 (excluding wine). Are we really supposed to tip $120 for 2 hours to make up a differential of $5.50?
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They make that kind of money only for a couple of hours, usually on the weekends.

Hospitality is a tough business. I don’t begrudge the people who decide to make serving people in restaurants a profession based on the fact that they may be able to make much more than minimum wage.

Remember they have to serve people of all sorts, including the ones who post on these forums.
 

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