WOW - What a week at WDW

[Chi84]

Is this a general tipping thread or a Disney tipping thread? I'm many pages behind

That’s the beauty of this thread. It can be whatever you want it to be!

 

[WondersOfLife]

what in the world are you talking about?

In the current system you get to decide how much you are going to spend on a meal, the cost of the restaurant, and then the tip.

Its not optional. Its expected. Theres a difference.

So you would rather the system where you are forced to.....pay more?

Yes. Because then a tip would only be given during above and beyond service, instead of tipping manditorily.

You can always go somewhere cheaper, but what's cheaper? If the system changes every business that currently has servers that are getting tips is going to have to raise their prices to cover the added costs. So really your choice is going to be to pay there, or go to a place that didn't have tipped service staff and wasn't forced to raise prices....a choice you can make right now.

You forget that this is a continuation of the mandatory 18% tip and someone saying the manager telling them it didnt include the tip. And then someone else saying that you shoild tip on top of the 18. Gotta get it back around to the original spark of the debate.

How complicated is the system now? I mean seriously as far as tipping goes our 8yr old can figure out what 15 or 20% is. Hell most bills i see now a days have it marked out for you. It has nothing to do with complicated. If your not comfortable with what you decide to pay for a tip, that's on you. No one is putting a gun to your head or monitoring your bills.

How many other countries do tips?

And that leaves aside the absurdity that do you honestly think if we change over from a tipping system to a server min wage, where in CA now even fast food servers need to make $20 per hour (or at least come April) or in NY where min wage is $15.50 (dollar more in NYC) that the cost is going to be LESS than leaving 15% on a bill?

Up to the owners.

 

[Chi84]

Its not optional. Its expected. Theres a difference.

Yes. Because then a tip would only be given during above and beyond service, instead of tipping manditorily.

You forget that this is a continuation of the mandatory 18% tip and someone saying the manager telling them it didnt include the tip. And then someone else saying that you shoild tip on top of the 18. Gotta get it back around to the original spark of the debate.

How many other countries do tips?

Up to the owners.

As I said before, we visit often with a large party and have never gotten the idea that the tip was not part of the mandatory gratuity or that we were expected to tip more than 18%. Unless I see a lot more evidence of this I’m putting it down to a misunderstanding.

 

[WondersOfLife]

As I said before, we visit often with a large party and have never gotten the idea that the tip was not part of the mandatory gratuity or that we were expected to tip more than 18%. Unless I see a lot more evidence of this I’m putting it down to a misunderstanding.

Yes..... agreed.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

Its not optional. Its expected. Theres a difference.

Yes. Because then a tip would only be given during above and beyond service, instead of tipping manditorily.

You forget that this is a continuation of the mandatory 18% tip and someone saying the manager telling them it didnt include the tip. And then someone else saying that you shoild tip on top of the 18. Gotta get it back around to the original spark of the debate.

How many other countries do tips?

Up to the owners.

Are you really so weak minded or so insecure in your own thoughts as to not understand the difference between mandatory/required, and voluntary/expected? There is no difference between optional and expected both mean they are up to your discretion.

Once again your either just trolling or have not courage of your conviction. If you don’t want to tip or think one is not required, then don’t leave one. But don’t be a coward and hide behind the lie of saying it’s mandatory.

You left the OP light years behind you, making general statements about tips, choosing other restaurants and hoping to get rid of tipping completely l. Don’t fall back on that example now that you don’t have anything to support your theory. Besides that 18% from the original post was NOT a tip. It wasn’t a discretionary payment on the part of the guest. It was a restaurant requires mandatory payment. It was part of the bill. Now what that fee ultimately goes to might be the subject of some confusion, but it’s not a tip.

I don’t care what other countries do. Other countries have VAT taxes, luxury taxes, and many other things that are completely irrelevant to how things are done in restaurants in WdW, Florida, and the US in general, which is what has been talked about here.

 

[WondersOfLife]

Are you really so weak minded or so insecure in your own thoughts as to not understand the difference between mandatory/required, and voluntary/expected? There is no difference between optional and expected both mean they are up to your discretion.

Once again your either just trolling or have not courage of your conviction. If you don’t want to tip or think one is not required, then don’t leave one. But don’t be a coward and hide behind the lie of saying it’s mandatory.

You left the OP light years behind you, making general statements about tips, choosing other restaurants and hoping to get rid of tipping completely l. Don’t fall back on that example now that you don’t have anything to support your theory. Besides that 18% from the original post was NOT a tip. It wasn’t a discretionary payment on the part of the guest. It was a restaurant requires mandatory payment. It was part of the bill. Now what that fee ultimately goes to might be the subject of some confusion, but it’s not a tip.

I don’t care what other countries do. Other countries have VAT taxes, luxury taxes, and many other things that are completely irrelevant to how things are done in restaurants in WdW, Florida, and the US in general, which is what has been talked about here.

You're not following or listening. Adieu.

Look up the definition of gratuity on your way out.

 

[Chef Mickey]

For 6 people, I'm guessing you spent around $10k for the trip since you stayed in a Value resort?

Instead of blowing it on a trip, put $10k/yr in a brokerage account for the 6 month old and he'll have almost $3,000,000 at 35.

 

[Chi84]

For 6 people, I'm guessing you spent around $10k for the trip since you stayed in a Value resort?

Instead of blowing it on a trip, put $10k/yr in a brokerage account for the 6 month old and he'll have almost $3,000,000 at 35.

That’s strange advice. What about the joy of experiencing life now?

 

[Chef Mickey]

That’s strange advice. What about the joy of experiencing life now?

Deferred gratification gives you orders of magnitude more enjoyment if you are disciplined.

Also, you can do some of both. This dude had a terrible trip and would have likely been happier (and richer) not going.

 

[Chi84]

Deferred gratification gives you orders of magnitude more enjoyment if you are disciplined.

Also, you can do some of both. This dude had a terrible trip and would have likely been happier (and richer) not going.

I really don’t understand people who complain so much about WDW yet continue to visit.

I would never counsel anyone to take a vacation they couldn’t comfortably afford. We never did when we were young, which is why we can afford to take the kids and grandkids now.

 

[Chef Mickey]

I really don’t understand people who complain so much about WDW yet continue to visit.

I would never counsel anyone to take a vacation they couldn’t comfortably afford. We never did when we were young, which is why we can afford to take the kids and grandkids now.

See, it works.

And you're recognizing he went and had a bad time, so the advice was sound in this case too.

You're starting to come around.

 

[Chi84]

See, it works.

And you're recognizing he went and had a bad time, so the advice was sound in this case too.

You're starting to come around.

Not really. He may have more money than he can handle. Or this could have been the first bad trip in all of those 25 years.

Advice is most valuable in advance of one’s actions. Otherwise it’s just hindsight.

 

[Chef Mickey]

Not really. He may have more money than he can handle. Or this could have been the first bad trip in all of those 25 years.

Advice is most valuable in advance of one’s actions. Otherwise it’s just hindsight.

No, you just like to argue. I took the context of his post (hated it) and gave him an alternative. I didn't just come in here giving him random financial advice, but the advice still is sound.

 

[donaldtoo]

For 6 people, I'm guessing you spent around $10k for the trip since you stayed in a Value resort?

Instead of blowing it on a trip, put $10k/yr in a brokerage account for the 6 month old and he'll have almost $3,000,000 at 35.

Yea, but what’s $3,000,000 actually gonna’ be worth 35-ish years from now…???!!!

 

[Chi84]

No, you just like to argue. I took the context of his post (hated it) and gave him an alternative. I didn't just come in here giving him random financial advice, but the advice still is sound.

You absolutely did give him random financial advice!

 

[Chef Mickey]

Yea, but what’s $3,000,000 actually gonna’ be worth 35-ish years from now…???!!!

More than not doing it, I'll tell you that.

 

[Chef Mickey]

You absolutely did give him random financial advice!

That's fair, but it had context and more people should follow it in the OP's situation, which is why I meant it wasn't totally random. He had a bad time. That sucks. People spending thousands doing things they hate and they're doing it on credit or saving all year for it is hard to hear. It hurts to read that. I hope he's not in that position and he's rich.

Thought OP could use this strategy the next time he thinks a Disney trip would be fun. Tbh, I only go to Disney because I have a lot of vacation and it's more convenient and cheaper than my other trips.- otherwise, I think I'd rarely go. I have a lot of nostalgia for it too but it's a shell of its former self, although the nostalgia does keep me going.

If you're going and you don't have a lot of disposable income, it's a pretty painful way to vacation.

 

[donaldtoo]

More than not doing it, I'll tell you that.

Indeed, and I get that…I was trying to lighten things up here a bit.
But, I honestly really do wonder how much $3,000,000 will be worth in 35 years.

 

[Chef Mickey]

Indeed, and I get that…I was trying to lighten things up here a bit.
But, I honestly really do wonder how much $3,000,000 will be worth in 35 years.

If it helps, $3,000,000 today was about $1.2M in 1989.

At current rates of government spending, I'd guess $3M in 2060 will be about $1M of buying power today. Perhaps even less.

 

[Chi84]

That's fair, but it had context and more people should follow it in the OP's situation, which is why I meant it wasn't totally random. He had a bad time. That sucks. People spending thousands doing things they hate and they're doing it on credit or saving all year for it is hard to hear. It hurts to read that. I hope he's not in that position and he's rich.

Thought OP could use this strategy the next time he thinks a Disney trip would be fun. Tbh, I only go to Disney because I have a lot of vacation and it's more convenient and cheaper than my other trips.- otherwise, I think I'd rarely go. I have a lot of nostalgia for it too but it's a shell of its former self, although the nostalgia does keep me going.

If you're going and you don't have a lot of disposable income, it's a pretty painful way to vacation.

WDW is not for people who don’t have a lot of disposable income.