And that is the point I made :wave:
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misterID
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Martin didn't say anything about banning people or they shouldn't be there. He simply said stay away.
Your analogies were nothing similar to this. A tour group is COMPLETELY different than a large family, smokers or strollers... Disney basically lets them run amok.
Either TDO is too cheap to pay the extra employees (They bring extra employees at DLR when they know they're going to be crowded and there might be problems) or they don't want to rock the boats of the groups that are paying to confront them with the complaints and lay down some rules. It's not difficult, or out of the question or even wrong, to ask Disney to try and maintain a bit of order out of consideration for the other guests who are also paying a lot of money to be there... I really don't see what's so awful about that.
Tinkerbell 8
Well-Known Member
We ran into them during our past trip in January 2011, and for that reason I will never be returning to the world in January every again. During our Keys to the Kingdom tour our guide explained how its a right of passage to travel to the states, specifically to Disney World when they are in their teens. We had the mispleasure of being stuck on a few rides with them and they screamed the entire time (mind you the rides were peter pan, philharmagic, and pooh so it was nothing scary). We then were sitting directly across the street from them during MSEP and Wishes, where they decided to sing, scream, clap, chant the ENTIRE time before, during and after. This was our only night seeing the parade and Wishes and it was really annoying. We then were stuck in the same section as them during Fantasmic, where once again they screamed, sang, dance, clapped, etc..for the HOUR before the show and then for the 30 minutes the show was delayed. After it was over, they ended up pushing my DH into a trash can which he fell over and was almost ran over by the entire group. It seemed like there was a lot of them staying at our hotel (Pop century) and they continued to sing and clap and be very annoying all through the night. So OP, be very happy you have not had the pleasure of running into them.
Crockett
Banned
Greetings to all ye who were there back in Jan. We probably passed each other & didn't know it. :wave:
Actually, this time was probably the mildest I've seen as far as obnoxious behavior from the tour groups. I usually see the typical pushing, shoving, line-breaking that others have mentioned whenever we have the unfortunate circumstance of hitting WDW when the groups are there. But this year was allrigh....well, tolerable. There was some clapping, chanting going on occaisonally at Rainforest Cafe. But that's perfectly fine since at least the place has a louder, more upbeat atmosphere rather than inside a theme-park attraction. I did witness some security action though. It was raining very heavily that night at DTD. We had gone indoors to the World Of Disney shop. There had to be about 15-20 tour ppl sitting on the floor right in front of the exit, blocking the doors. They were not doing this for any reasons malicious, as it appeared they were just resting and out of the storm. But still, nobody could come in or out due to the bodies all spread out on the floor. A security officer came over and told them they could not be sitting there. Some of the younger individuals pretended to "not understand", and simply ignored. The security officer then began to speak Spanish. Reluctantly, they got up and moved. But compared to horror stories I've read, and things we've seen in years past when the groups are present, I'd handle people just sitting in shops any day.
Actually, this time was probably the mildest I've seen as far as obnoxious behavior from the tour groups. I usually see the typical pushing, shoving, line-breaking that others have mentioned whenever we have the unfortunate circumstance of hitting WDW when the groups are there. But this year was allrigh....well, tolerable. There was some clapping, chanting going on occaisonally at Rainforest Cafe. But that's perfectly fine since at least the place has a louder, more upbeat atmosphere rather than inside a theme-park attraction. I did witness some security action though. It was raining very heavily that night at DTD. We had gone indoors to the World Of Disney shop. There had to be about 15-20 tour ppl sitting on the floor right in front of the exit, blocking the doors. They were not doing this for any reasons malicious, as it appeared they were just resting and out of the storm. But still, nobody could come in or out due to the bodies all spread out on the floor. A security officer came over and told them they could not be sitting there. Some of the younger individuals pretended to "not understand", and simply ignored. The security officer then began to speak Spanish. Reluctantly, they got up and moved. But compared to horror stories I've read, and things we've seen in years past when the groups are present, I'd handle people just sitting in shops any day.
PartOfYourWorld
Well-Known Member
I second this, was there as well!
The first few days there was not many of these tour groups I noticed. Towards the end of the vacation I noticed them more and more. Unfortunately, I am a single rider on the ToT and got stuck in an elevator filled with all of them...thinking about it after I should have asked to wait for the next one but I didn't. They screamed the entire ride, and made it miserable for me. (ToT is my favorite ride). And they all pushed and shoved their way out of the elevator. I cannot stand them.
CP_alum08
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AWESOME avatar! It's been a long time since I've been on that site...might have to check it out again. You have no idea how big my smile is right now.
lbrad
Well-Known Member
One of them is JULY!!!
I experienced their obnoxiousness firsthand in July!!!
Unfortunately for me that is one of the only times my family can go (DH is a cyber-school teacher and only has off the month of July)... I pray we miss them this summer.
rustysgirl
Active Member
OP you MUST tell me when you go since you've never seen them! :lol:
i've seen them in December & January. what about April? we're going in 2 weeks and i'm a little worried haha don't believe I saw them in November when I was there.
I too experienced the loud chanting for an hour before fantasmic, my head hurt so bad! its kind of funny (in a not funny way) because it drives you crazy that not only is it loud & obnoxious but you can't understand what they are saying! ahhhhhhhh it drives me insane! even the constant chanting can be heard when they are moving from ride to ride & you know when they are coming they are def. LOUD!
another thing they did...at our off site hotel they were running & screaming through the hallways outside our door late at night, we complained to the front desk & they said they would take care of it but that didn't stop them.
i'm really going to try to enjoy myself when i go even if they are there. Though they will make it hard with their loudness, rudeness, shoving, cutting in line, blocking you from going somewhere, yelling on the rides, taking flash pictures constantly on the rides when you just want to see & hear the ride! ok i'm done sorry had to vent :wave:
but seriously how are the groups the 2nd full week of April? :lookaroun
i've seen them in December & January. what about April? we're going in 2 weeks and i'm a little worried haha don't believe I saw them in November when I was there.
I too experienced the loud chanting for an hour before fantasmic, my head hurt so bad! its kind of funny (in a not funny way) because it drives you crazy that not only is it loud & obnoxious but you can't understand what they are saying! ahhhhhhhh it drives me insane! even the constant chanting can be heard when they are moving from ride to ride & you know when they are coming they are def. LOUD!
another thing they did...at our off site hotel they were running & screaming through the hallways outside our door late at night, we complained to the front desk & they said they would take care of it but that didn't stop them.
i'm really going to try to enjoy myself when i go even if they are there. Though they will make it hard with their loudness, rudeness, shoving, cutting in line, blocking you from going somewhere, yelling on the rides, taking flash pictures constantly on the rides when you just want to see & hear the ride! ok i'm done sorry had to vent :wave:
but seriously how are the groups the 2nd full week of April? :lookaroun
powlessfamily4
Well-Known Member
Run for your life!!!
Sorry :lol: Just having a little fun! :sohappy:
Run!! Save your children!!! A bazillion Brazilions are heading to Disney!!
Hide your families, avoid the parks and wear ponchos!!! LOL
Hide your families, avoid the parks and wear ponchos!!! LOL
Sorry :lol: Just having a little fun! :sohappy:
Check my sig for our past trip times. May has always been our favorite but occasionally life dictates when. 2011, and last year it is/was June because we had to wait for school to let out and after my daughters spring concert.
Our other favorite is Sept, after school is back in. We've been in February (combined with the Daytona 500) and in October. We've also braved August, now that was a brutal time of year to go. They ought to send the Brazilians there in August! They'd never come back:sohappy:
WDW2010
Member
Ugh ghost don't get me started, I have nothing against Brazilians but I do have something against them when they are tourists in Disney. Last year was my first trip to Disney World (19 years old at the time) and I was having a blast! Then showed up these animals and boy they are something you want to avoid. Which, I did avoid them as much as possible but they sure got on my nerves.
My girlfriend and I were sitting down on Main Street U.S.A waiting for the Wishes firework show to start and I was so excited since it was my first time. Mind you, I speak Portuguese which Brazilian people speak just a little funkier.
Well, a few of them decided to stand right in front of me and block our view COMPLETELY. The mother or tour guide whoever it was said to the girls and guys "Hey, they are sitting there and you are blocking the view lets move". Few of the girls thought this was nonsense and simply said "Who cares they can stand up if they want to." Again they thought I had no idea what they were saying because they were speaking Brazilian Portuguese and so this annoyed me so much I knew I had to do something.
They were pretty short so I decided to get up with my girlfriend and the both of us planted ourselves in front of them and I decided maybe I should let them know my what I think. Which, I did in Portuguese talking to my girlfriend making sure they could hear me and all I could hear was "Desculpa" (sorry) Grrr until this day it annoys me, we were sitting down on the perfect spot to catch the whole castle/fireworks for pictures and they stood right in front of us so we would only have the view of the fireworks and the tip of the castle.
My girlfriend and I were sitting down on Main Street U.S.A waiting for the Wishes firework show to start and I was so excited since it was my first time. Mind you, I speak Portuguese which Brazilian people speak just a little funkier.
Well, a few of them decided to stand right in front of me and block our view COMPLETELY. The mother or tour guide whoever it was said to the girls and guys "Hey, they are sitting there and you are blocking the view lets move". Few of the girls thought this was nonsense and simply said "Who cares they can stand up if they want to." Again they thought I had no idea what they were saying because they were speaking Brazilian Portuguese and so this annoyed me so much I knew I had to do something.
They were pretty short so I decided to get up with my girlfriend and the both of us planted ourselves in front of them and I decided maybe I should let them know my what I think. Which, I did in Portuguese talking to my girlfriend making sure they could hear me and all I could hear was "Desculpa" (sorry) Grrr until this day it annoys me, we were sitting down on the perfect spot to catch the whole castle/fireworks for pictures and they stood right in front of us so we would only have the view of the fireworks and the tip of the castle.
WDWLocal
New Member
Since I go quite a lot I hate it when I see these groups, always loud, always block walkways, and have no consideration for anyone. Just to add when my father was manager ove world showcase gift shops he would literally get warning that the groups would come... just shows how crazy they are.
Lucky
Well-Known Member
Couldn't agree more.
bellissimo
New Member
Let me break this down for you.
Up until this year I’ve lived in Brazil, specifically Sao Paulo, so I guess you could say I’m informed enough to address the question of the Brazilian tour groups. If you’re at least somewhat cultured, then I’d hope you’re aware of the financial situation in Brazil/ other third world countries- there’s usually a high upper class, and a low lower class. There’s hardly a midpoint, or a middle class; which is essentially a completely different can of worms, so I won’t bother to get into it. Thus, to provide you with some background, it’s the upper-class Brazilians that visit the United States twice a year, who are typically fairly wealthy. I’m not trying to be discriminatory, that’s just a fact. The lower class Brazilians can unfortunately hardly afford to live in Brazil, let alone travel to other countries and go to Disney (especially when we know how expensive Disney is.)
Anyways, Brazil is Brazil. I attended an International School, so I have a bit of a different perspective than someone who would have attended a private (or public) school, but from what I’ve gathered, Brazilians get sick of Brazil. Not all of them, of course, but when you can go to some of the nicest beaches in Brazil just over the weekend, the appeal of going to them might wear off. And with that being said, one of the most tourist friendly, ‘Brazilian’ places in America is Miami; which is practically a stone’s throw away from Disney. Instead of having three months off in the summer and a week in the winter, Brazil does a month and a half on each end. Which, in my opinion, is a much better way to break down vacations than the system the United States uses.. but that's irrelevant.
When you have a month and a half off for school break, it’s typical to fly to the Amazon for a week, or to Rio, or any other exotic place; and then retreat to America. Thus, the most crowded months would be January in the winter and July in the summer. Both take place in the center of the vacation period for Brazilians, so it makes sense for them to be in the US at that point, and keep in mind the seasons are swapped. Our winter is their summer, and so to escape the heat, the Brazilians go to Miami, where it’s hot but cool enough. And our summer is their winter, where it only gets to be 50 degrees or so, but that’s freezing for them. So they go to Miami, and then entertain themselves at WDW.
And the obnoxious behavior is behavior you’d experience with most tour groups. When you put a group of teenagers together, speaking from the perspective of a teenage, it’s bound to get a bit out of hand. So it’s really no surprise that the groups are annoying and rude; not to mention these kids are somewhat “wealthy”, and so depending on your opinion, they may or may not be more spoiled, and thus rowdier, than other kids. That’s very political, though.. don’t quote me on it.
Up until this year I’ve lived in Brazil, specifically Sao Paulo, so I guess you could say I’m informed enough to address the question of the Brazilian tour groups. If you’re at least somewhat cultured, then I’d hope you’re aware of the financial situation in Brazil/ other third world countries- there’s usually a high upper class, and a low lower class. There’s hardly a midpoint, or a middle class; which is essentially a completely different can of worms, so I won’t bother to get into it. Thus, to provide you with some background, it’s the upper-class Brazilians that visit the United States twice a year, who are typically fairly wealthy. I’m not trying to be discriminatory, that’s just a fact. The lower class Brazilians can unfortunately hardly afford to live in Brazil, let alone travel to other countries and go to Disney (especially when we know how expensive Disney is.)
Anyways, Brazil is Brazil. I attended an International School, so I have a bit of a different perspective than someone who would have attended a private (or public) school, but from what I’ve gathered, Brazilians get sick of Brazil. Not all of them, of course, but when you can go to some of the nicest beaches in Brazil just over the weekend, the appeal of going to them might wear off. And with that being said, one of the most tourist friendly, ‘Brazilian’ places in America is Miami; which is practically a stone’s throw away from Disney. Instead of having three months off in the summer and a week in the winter, Brazil does a month and a half on each end. Which, in my opinion, is a much better way to break down vacations than the system the United States uses.. but that's irrelevant.
When you have a month and a half off for school break, it’s typical to fly to the Amazon for a week, or to Rio, or any other exotic place; and then retreat to America. Thus, the most crowded months would be January in the winter and July in the summer. Both take place in the center of the vacation period for Brazilians, so it makes sense for them to be in the US at that point, and keep in mind the seasons are swapped. Our winter is their summer, and so to escape the heat, the Brazilians go to Miami, where it’s hot but cool enough. And our summer is their winter, where it only gets to be 50 degrees or so, but that’s freezing for them. So they go to Miami, and then entertain themselves at WDW.
And the obnoxious behavior is behavior you’d experience with most tour groups. When you put a group of teenagers together, speaking from the perspective of a teenage, it’s bound to get a bit out of hand. So it’s really no surprise that the groups are annoying and rude; not to mention these kids are somewhat “wealthy”, and so depending on your opinion, they may or may not be more spoiled, and thus rowdier, than other kids. That’s very political, though.. don’t quote me on it.
BigNormsMom
New Member
I don't mind their joking and jumping around as much as I mind them kissing and fondling each other in public. In January there were several groups and the kids were pretty well behaved, but the public display of affection was horrible. This particular couple looked to be about fourteen or fifteen and the vertical no-no was enough for me to speak to them and tell them to cool it!. Then my son advised them to get a room!
Phonedave
Well-Known Member
As Bellissimo said, the two months appear to be mid winter (January) and mid summer (July)
I have been to WDW in every month in the year (I think, I loose track) and have seen plenty of tour groups (Brazillian and otherwise), Pop Warner, cheer squads, and other assorted "horrors". Maybe it is me, maybe I am just lucky, but I have NEVER had a problem with them.
I do have one story though. I was on a solo trip, and I was checking out some resorts. I was on a Disney bus around mid-day. I forget where I was going, but it was the one that swings by Blizzard Beach. There was me, the driver, and another guy in his mid 40's on the bus. On the way to BB, the skies opened up and it began to pour. We pulled up to BB and there was an all female Brazillian tour group leaving BB because of the rain. They had left quickly, so they had not changed. The proctors wanted them all to stay together so they all jammed onto our bus. It was a bus, packed to the gills with young women, mostly in bikinis. The bus dropped them off, and I look over at the driver and he has this HUGE grin on his face. The other guy on the bus turns to me and says "They ought to make that a regular attraction and charge extra."
-dave
I have been to WDW in every month in the year (I think, I loose track) and have seen plenty of tour groups (Brazillian and otherwise), Pop Warner, cheer squads, and other assorted "horrors". Maybe it is me, maybe I am just lucky, but I have NEVER had a problem with them.
I do have one story though. I was on a solo trip, and I was checking out some resorts. I was on a Disney bus around mid-day. I forget where I was going, but it was the one that swings by Blizzard Beach. There was me, the driver, and another guy in his mid 40's on the bus. On the way to BB, the skies opened up and it began to pour. We pulled up to BB and there was an all female Brazillian tour group leaving BB because of the rain. They had left quickly, so they had not changed. The proctors wanted them all to stay together so they all jammed onto our bus. It was a bus, packed to the gills with young women, mostly in bikinis. The bus dropped them off, and I look over at the driver and he has this HUGE grin on his face. The other guy on the bus turns to me and says "They ought to make that a regular attraction and charge extra."
-dave
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
The Brazilian tour groups. How I loathe them. July 09, a trip that shall live in infamy. They were running amok. Turning fantasmic into more of a soccer stadium then an amphitheater. Cutting lines left and right, over running the fast pass system. Invading the CS restaurants, destroying the ambiance of every attraction they happened to pop in to. It was an absolute nightmare to deal with these people.
Bellissimo...
Good insight on the touring patterns, and possible reasons for the rude attitudes shown by these groups. Insightful stuff.
Bellissimo...
Good insight on the touring patterns, and possible reasons for the rude attitudes shown by these groups. Insightful stuff.
sublimesting
Well-Known Member
I can do without the one person who waits in line with a flag and raises it as they approach the front so that everyone else comes busting through the line like a herd of rude cattle.
A very good point is raised here: these are unsupervised kids. The behaviors noted are no worse, and, in some cases, better, than that of the behaviors exhibited on "kids days" at some of the Renaissance Festivals at which I have performed. Such behavior was marked by thieving from the vendors and aggressive roughhousing towards the performers. And none of those attending kids groups were Brazilian.
I'm not excusing rude and obnoxious behavior, but it is wrong to target a specific group for it. Look around and you'll find plenty of obnoxiosity to go around.
rodserling27
Well-Known Member
Oh boy, the Brasilian tour groups. in January, I had been waiting on Main Street to see the Electrical Parade for nearly 2 hours, when the entire nation of Brasil decided to push a few dedicated fans that had been waiting (including me) so that THEY could see, just as the parade was kicking off. They didn't seem to speak English, nor is my Portuguese good enough to tell them to move, but it was most frustrating.
They also talked through evey single pre-show, which is particularly annoying especially on a ride like Tower of Terror. They also took up about 90% of the Fantasmic! seating at BOTH showings! Hahaha, nothing to really do about that, but I felt bad for anyone who didn't get to see it.
I don't mean to lump all Brazilians into one category, I know plenty of folks from Brazil that are pretty boss, but it seems that they don't quite have the same "social behaviors" as we Americans and Westerners have in general. Oh well...it certainly won't stop me from going to WDW, that's for sure!
They also talked through evey single pre-show, which is particularly annoying especially on a ride like Tower of Terror. They also took up about 90% of the Fantasmic! seating at BOTH showings! Hahaha, nothing to really do about that, but I felt bad for anyone who didn't get to see it.
I don't mean to lump all Brazilians into one category, I know plenty of folks from Brazil that are pretty boss, but it seems that they don't quite have the same "social behaviors" as we Americans and Westerners have in general. Oh well...it certainly won't stop me from going to WDW, that's for sure!