Would it have been better if Disney shut the park to refurbish.

[jt04]

Construction walls in a theme park is an attraction. This project is an E Ticket. Think of it as Christmas Eve when you were a kid.

 

[GhostHost1000]

*facepalm*

 

[flynnibus]

How exactly could it go any faster if the park were shut down? The work is completely walled off with easy access to both build sites from behind. Would be different if it was in the middle of the park, but they aren't.

Different noise limits...
Different safety protocols
More access
More crews could work daytime... Which is cheaper
Could stage things differently

 

[flynnibus]

I want what some of y'all are smoking lately. No, shutting down an entire theme park is not only a ludicrous option, but the entire entertainment of such an idea is laughable.

Which is more laughable.... Furloughed employees or charging full price for a fraction of a theme park for years on end?

 

[flynnibus]

Does anyone know if an undertaking of remodeling/re-theming of a theme park of this size has ever been done before while a park has remained open?

Dca v2 was bigger... They just do the work in phases to reduce the impact

 

[HiYa Pal]

Yes almost half the park is closed, but back lot tour and lights motors action are the only real losses. Everything else walled off was essentially walk through areas to get to those 2 attractions.....it's really not that much of a loss to the overall attraction count, those 2 just took up a HUGE amount of space. If you dig into the way back machine, they really just removed 90% of the original back lot tour.

 

[roj2323]

So again - since ALL of the construction is not in ANY guest area - how does closing the park speed anything up?

• Double the work time -- 24hrs a day instead of just park hours
• No work walls to impede things
• Concrete finishing is faster during the day both because of the sun and because you can see things better
• Work trucks can be brought to the work site
• No non construction workers getting in the way.

 

[Jon81uk]

• Double the work time -- 24hrs a day instead of just park hours
• No work walls to impede things
• Concrete finishing is faster during the day both because of the sun and because you can see things better
• Work trucks can be brought to the work site
• No non construction workers getting in the way.

All the construction is outside of guest areas, they are working during the day, with no need to work in the dark at the moment. Additionally 24hr working gives more hazards due to safety issues in the dark. As the work areas are on the edge of the park there are no issues with construction truck access and there are no guests in the way.

Now if you were talking about the MK hub remodel then all of the things you list are relevant, but nobody would close the magic kingdom just to get the hub rebuilt quicker.


Also at DHS only two rides/attractions have closed, Lights Motors Action and the Backlot Tour. If someone is willing to use a day of their multi day ticket to ride Star Tours, see Beauty and the Beast or Indiana Jones, ride Tower of Terror and Rock'nRollercoaster that is up to them. If you don't want to visit then don't.

They managed to keep California Adventure open during s much bigger remodel.

 

[danlb_2000]

All the construction is outside of guest areas, they are working during the day, with no need to work in the dark at the moment. Additionally 24hr working gives more hazards due to safety issues in the dark. As the work areas are on the edge of the park there are no issues with construction truck access and there are no guests in the way.

Now if you were talking about the MK hub remodel then all of the things you list are relevant, but nobody would close the magic kingdom just to get the hub rebuilt quicker.


Also at DHS only two rides/attractions have closed, Lights Motors Action and the Backlot Tour. If someone is willing to use a day of their multi day ticket to ride Star Tours, see Beauty and the Beast or Indiana Jones, ride Tower of Terror and Rock'nRollercoaster that is up to them. If you don't want to visit then don't.

They managed to keep California Adventure open during s much bigger remodel.

Also, look at the videos of Star Wars Land construction at DL to see how much can be done with an open park. You can't look at that construction site and tell me they are being limited by the fact that the park is open.

 

[flynnibus]

No one is forcing you to pay full admission to DHS, don't like it? Don't go! Its not that hard, but I know that wouldn't feed into your pathetic anti-Disney agenda. Maybe its time to put your useless posts back on ignore. Ugh

Someone doesn't agree with your put downs so you turn to insulting them... very convincing!!

I love when kids try to characterize my disney focus when I've been a fan and ingrained with the product longer than you've even been alive.

 

[Marlins1]

Not to derail this into a full vs half day discussion.. OK, maybe I am... If you've never been to the park before and want to go on all of the rides and see all of the shows, have a TS lunch, spend some time in the shops, watch the parade (such as it is), and see F! and/or SW FW, it's going to take you at least most of a day to fit it all in. If you're just going for "the rides", then yeah, it's not going to take you all day.

I actually like most of the DHS shows and always see at least one during a visit. That plus a couple of rides and a meal at Brown Derby or Sci Fi makes a really nice four or five hour visit IMO. I could not picture going to four or five shows in a day though and I think most theme park visitors are not looking for that type of experience especially if kids are in the group.

 

[roj2323]

All the construction is outside of guest areas, they are working during the day, with no need to work in the dark at the moment. Additionally 24hr working gives more hazards due to safety issues in the dark. As the work areas are on the edge of the park there are no issues with construction truck access and there are no guests in the way.

Now if you were talking about the MK hub remodel then all of the things you list are relevant, but nobody would close the magic kingdom just to get the hub rebuilt quicker.


Also at DHS only two rides/attractions have closed, Lights Motors Action and the Backlot Tour. If someone is willing to use a day of their multi day ticket to ride Star Tours, see Beauty and the Beast or Indiana Jones, ride Tower of Terror and Rock'nRollercoaster that is up to them. If you don't want to visit then don't.

They managed to keep California Adventure open during s much bigger remodel.

Over the last 24 months we have seen the removal of the hat, the awning installation at sunset ranch, the construction of the villains club building, the install of the projector towers, animation to launch bay conversion, Jedi training stage remodel, install of two meet and greets behind the old radio station, the relocation of frozen sing along, several concrete walkway replacements exc.

When the back half of the park was closed we lost a lot more than back lot tour and lights motors action. We also lost monsters inc m&g, Star Wars outpost, studio catering company, honey I shrunk the kids playset, mulch sweat and shears, osbourne lights, cars meet and greet and Phineas and Ferb m&g.

 

[Goofyque']

Some of my best t-shirt graphics come from the construction walls.

 

[MisterPenguin]

It looks like so much is closed for redevelopment

Which is more laughable.... Furloughed employees or charging full price for a fraction of a theme park for years on end?

When the back half of the park was closed we lost a lot more than back lot tour and lights motors action. We also lost monsters inc m&g, Star Wars outpost, studio catering company, honey I shrunk the kids playset, mulch sweat and shears, osbourne lights, cars meet and greet and Phineas and Ferb m&g.

Ah, the old "Hollywood Studios is so much under constructions that it's now a nuclear wasteland with just a Jawa standing outside wanting to trade you for a Magic Kingdom pass" cliché.

To determine how much has been reduced, you need to look at those things that haven't been replaced. People remember Animation Studio was closed but forget Launch Pad opened in its place. Or that there's no more Who Wants to Be a Millionaire or American Idol or Sounds Dangerous and forget they've been replaced by Toy Story Mania, Frozen Singalong, and new Meet & Greets.

As has been mentioned, only one ride out of six is gone (Back Lot Tour in Sept of 2014) without a replacement. And only one attraction is gone without a replacement (the car stunt show). Not sure if the playground would really be considered an destination attraction or just a place kids run into when they see it. Other than that, all other closures have had replacements.

And then, they added stuff: A new evening show; a new flex studio; and a Star Wars Stage show. They updated/upgraded attractions: TGMR, Jedi Academy, TSM. They lost some eating places but then upgraded the Sunset market and added more food booths. A musical group was tossed and a streetmosphere group was reduced, but then they added Green Army Men boot camp, and patrolling Storm Troopers. M&G spaces were taken away, but then new ones were added: Mickey & Minnie; Olaf; Kylo & Chewie; Jawas; Hollywood & Vine evening and seasonal M&G with the Fabs. And even the old favorite Osborne Lights are being replaced by an evening projection show.

If HS doesn't have a lot of attractions now, it's because it never did. Not because of any current construction. They're down one ride and that's it. All the other attractions that are gone were replacements or made up for in other ways with new shows.

 

[Fox&Hound]

When all is said and done with construction, DHS will have 9 rides and a few shows, correct?

 

[MisterPenguin]

When all is said and done with construction, DHS will have 9 rides and a few shows, correct?

Yeah... until TGMR goes down to create the new rumored Mickey ride. And when SWL goes up, Launch Pad will go down to become something else, which could be a new ride.

 

[roj2323]

Ah, the old "Hollywood Studios is so much under constructions that it's now a nuclear wasteland with just a Jawa standing outside wanting to trade you for a Magic Kingdom pass" cliché.

To determine how much has been reduced, you need to look at those things that haven't been replaced. People remember Animation Studio was closed but forget Launch Pad opened in its place. Or that there's no more Who Wants to Be a Millionaire or American Idol or Sounds Dangerous and forget they've been replaced by Toy Story Mania, Frozen Singalong, and new Meet & Greets.

As has been mentioned, only one ride out of six is gone (Back Lot Tour in Sept of 2014) without a replacement. And only one attraction is gone without a replacement (the car stunt show). Not sure if the playground would really be considered an destination attraction or just a place kids run into when they see it. Other than that, all other closures have had replacements.

And then, they added stuff: A new evening show; a new flex studio; and a Star Wars Stage show. They updated/upgraded attractions: TGMR, Jedi Academy, TSM. They lost some eating places but then upgraded the Sunset market and added more food booths. A musical group was tossed and a streetmosphere group was reduced, but then they added Green Army Men boot camp, and patrolling Storm Troopers. M&G spaces were taken away, but then new ones were added: Mickey & Minnie; Olaf; Kylo & Chewie; Jawas; Hollywood & Vine evening and seasonal M&G with the Fabs. And even the old favorite Osborne Lights are being replaced by an evening projection show.

If HS doesn't have a lot of attractions now, it's because it never did. Not because of any current construction. They're down one ride and that's it. All the other attractions that are gone were replacements or made up for in other ways with new shows.

blah blah blah

Loss of capacity is loss of capacity. You can not tell me that the loss of everything previously mentioned adds up to an equal number for the things replaced or added because the numbers simply do not work period. LMA held 5,000 people per show and BLT was a people eater that could take 200 people per tram and several thousand people per hour. This in addition to all of the other items I mentioned previously adds up to 10's of thousands of people in lost capacity.

 

[flynnibus]

To determine how much has been reduced, you need to look at those things that haven't been replaced

To determine the impact, you need to not look at things as simple 'all attractions are equal' zero sum games. Your analysis also ignores the fact the park was not in a healthy balance BEFORE either. So any 'balanced out' changes still don't get you out of the hole.

Taking things away from something that is marginal or unhealthy... is far more damaging than taking the same amount away from something healthy.

Look, I love DHS.. I've defended it here plenty on this very site probably more than most, but its pretty pathetic to most who have been visiting the park for more than 5 years... because the vast majority of it is either unchanged or subpar.

Any attraction argument that tries to use A Sing Along as justification of how things are just swell.. is a lost cause.

'all other closures have had replacements' is a stray dog who will be happy to to get any bone they can get.

Your analysis ...
- missed no more day parade
- takes a subject relative interactive experience like Animation and replaces it with M&Gs and really poor fake movie props faking as real movie stuff
- ignores that not just 'an attraction' is gone, but attractions that used to be good for several hours of customer occupation
- Updates like TGMR are not bonuses - its simple maintanence the park should be getting on a far more regular basis.. finally getting something years over due is not cause for celebration as things being up to date.
- Adding capacity isn't an attraction update/upgrade.. nevermind the complete punt on aspects like Mr Potato Head.
- I like how you double count the projection show

If HS doesn't have a lot of attractions now, it's because it never did. Not because of any current construction. They're down one ride and that's it. All the other attractions that are gone were replacements or made up for in other ways with new shows.

A really simplistic analysis that doesn't actually account for what matters... customer interest and satisfaction.

When you rely on
- A stunt show that hasn't seen real updates in almost two generations...
- A 4D movie concept that is way out of date and barely updated in generations and is so under valued it's been replaced by movie trailers in other parks...
- A neutered OMD...
- A great, but never changed TLM show
- A nice, but limited audience kids stage show
- What should be a marquee attraction in TGMR but is woefully behind the times
- a theater playing movie trailers
- a kids sing along..
- A sub-par F! clone that is generations behind its peers..

It's a joke. What is there, is decades behind... and people are bored of it. The attractions that are really worthy of seeing, TSM, ToT, RnRC are surrounded by a park in desperate needs of large scale refreshes and reworks.

Like I said.. when you kick a starved, deprived being.. it hurts a lot more than kicking a healthy, vibrant one.

 

[MisterPenguin]

To determine the impact, you need to not look at things as simple 'all attractions are equal' zero sum games. Your analysis also ignores the fact the park was not in a healthy balance BEFORE either. So any 'balanced out' changes still don't get you out of the hole.

Actually, in fact, I said that if you thought it didn't have enough attractions before, then you'd feel the same way now.

I wasn't arguing HS isn't light on attractions. I'm arguing that current construction is not the cause of it being light on attractions. People glibly state HS is a shell of its former self because of the construction, or that's is just a giant construction zone. That's not defensible. Construction took away one ride (a whole year before construction started) and one major attraction. (The playground and quickserve and booths and makeshift M&Gs are just incidental). Some other things were added.

All I know is that I can make a full day of HS and that's skipping Disney Jr. and the two thrill rides. And I know it could and should be a lot better (there's a lot of eye rolling in TGMR).

 

[MisterPenguin]

- a kids sing along..

How dare you characterize the best stage show as merely "a kids sing along"!!