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Sans Souci

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I've seen a number of people making suggestions on things to purchase now. Much of what has been suggested aren't things we need. Nothing suggested ticked any boxes for us, but I'm trying to determine if there's anything I'm missing that we really should consider. I have started my annual turkey stocking, but that's nothing new.

I've pulled back from a number of people and news sources. I really need to do more for my sanity. Mind you, many of the people we're pulling away from already were issues before anything political entered the mix. My MIL has really gone off the deep end. There have been issues with our relationship with her for nearly 2 decades, so it's much more than politics. I left it to DH to decide, but he's already chosen to say no to Thanksgiving and Christmas at her place. She was already skating on thin ice last Christmas and there have been many years we've avoided her altogether because of the junk that goes on in her home.

My husband has been wanting a new car for a while, so he was thinking of buying one before tariffs take effect. I'm just worried about weathering this if my husband lost his job, so I'm trying to economize. My husband booked a winter getaway for January and only had to put a small deposit down. I said, "Let's wait until after the election to buy tickets to fly down in case we need to be careful with money and cancel." He went ahead and bought them and they are non-refundable. :banghead: We would have gotten our deposit back.

I am sorry about your MIL. I had to stop talking to my mom. This has nothing to do with politics, but just her overall behavior and treatment of others. She ruined every holiday. She would arrive and I could tell within seconds of seeing her face, she was going to detonate at some point. It would make me so anxious, so I would try to lift her mood, make her happy. I was just tip-toeing around her, not enjoying Christmas/Thanksgiving/Easter. She ultimately would blow up at something. It ruined the meal. You can't tell her to stop or to get out, because then SHE'S the victim. I get tired thinking about it. lol She came over for Christmas dinner one time and she was acting really angry with everyone--curt, monosyllabic answers, dirty looks, huffing and puffing. I could feel her anger rising. My husband told her to leave if she was going to be nasty and he was tired of having holidays ruined. She stormed out and my grandmother (her mother) asked my husband if that was necessary. :rolleyes: The final straw for me for not talking to my mom anymore was my mom and my grandmother's last visit here in 2019. My husband and son took my mom to the store or something and my grandmother told me my mother was hitting her. I did ask her if she wanted to move in with us and she said no. I wasn't surprised, since all of her family and friends were in Illinois. She told me not to tell my mom that I knew. I didn't, but I did report her to the local agency on aging and they opened up a file. Her behavior goes beyond holidays, too. There's too much to list and I've already written too much. lol

Anyway, the move to NJ was a blessing in disguise. Now, we have holidays that are chill. We eat when we want to eat, nobody is walking around on egg shells, because we don't have to worry about anyone turning our holiday meals into Hiroshima. It's amazing and I look forward to the holidays now.
 

Sans Souci

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Hello-

Checking in with a metabolic workout (yesterday) and yoga (today). I'm in this workout funk and I am struggling to hook into any one type of exercise right now. I am eating so much junk right now, too. I swear, it's because my brain realizes the shorter hours of daylight. It doesn't help that my husband keeps buying me Tony's Chocolonely bars, even though I asked him to stop. This is not how I want to go into the holiday season. :hilarious:

So, I am on the look out for fun, sweaty workouts right now. I did yoga this morning, but it's a downer to see you've burned 90 cals for 60 min of yoga. I can go for a 60 min walk and burn over twice that, but I guess I get other things out of it, too. Usually, I am not so hungry when I do yoga regularly and it does help me with things like being present in the moment and detaching from things/people that are not good for me. lol
 

Songbird76

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Oh, no, I am sorry to hear that. That does sound incredibly frustrating! :(. Is business slow? Have you started looking for a new one? Hopefully, they change their mind and keep you on.
No, it's kind of a ridiculous actually. They say I'm "too slow" and that they feel like they have to do everything themselves when they work with me. But what's stupid is that when I started, there was one other gal who started just a couple of weeks before me. The boss kept saying she hadn't had a good team for 3 years. They couldn't get people who were reliable and get them to stay. The boss had surgery, asked one of the newer guys if he would be available that week and obviously the assistant manager would be there, too, but the boss wouldn't be able to be there for that week. He said no problem, he'd be there that week. She had her surgery and that morning, he called in "sick". He had gone out and partied the night before and then had a hangover and lack of sleep and couldn't make it in. So the boss had to come in right after her surgery just so there was someone there and they could open the store. And this summer, we had a girl who just wouldn't show up and she had any number of excuses....she overslept, she thought she didn't have to work until afternoon, etc. So the person who opened had to do so alone and then call her and get her motivated to come in and she'd always be a couple of hours late. These are the kinds of people they've had for 3 years. So the assistant manager had never wanted a managerial position. She had been a manager at a different chain of stores and left that chain and just wanted a regular store job. Then one day, the then assisstant manager got frustrated about something, handed her the keys and said "That's it. I'm gone." and walked out. So the manager and the regional manager BEGGED her to take on the assisstant manager position, which she really didn't want to do, but they pressured her into it and she agreed to do it temporarily, and then they just weren't worried about looking for a replacement. So she did it for 2 years, and really really didn't want to do it anymore. So when Ramona and I were hired, she stepped down and said she just wasn't going to do it anymore. So Ramona agreed to become the new assisstant manager. But because she was new, she had to learn everything REALLY fast. Suddenly, my training had to take a back seat, because it was most important that she, as a manager, knew how to do everything. So I was always on the register so she could learn all the other stuff, and when we got shipments, I was stuck at the register and couldn't help them with unloading and stocking.

The girl we had in the summer vacation didn't make it through her trial period. Normally, we have 2 weekend/vacation workers and they do the Friday evening shift and the Saturday shifts, and alternate doing the one Sunday a month we're open. But since she was let go, we needed to replace her, and the boss just wasn't really that worried about it because she really likes the other weekend/vacation girl, and she could take those hours. But that girl is 20 and in college and has an internship this semester, through January and she can't do the Friday evenings, because her internship ends at 5 each day and the shift at the store starts at 6. She'd have only an hour to get home, eat something, and get to the store. So the boss said we'd all just take turns doing Friday evenings and we'd each have to work one friday evening a month. Except, there are only 4 of us, and you need 2 people to run the store, and she scheduled me for nearly every Friday evening for 2 months. And then Chantal, the previous assisstant manager was still being relied on to take on responsibilities she was no longer getting paid extra for, and she ended up with a burnout. So she's been out since the first week of September, and I've largely been taking on her hours. My contract is for 20 hours a week. I get paid for 20 hours a week whether I work 10 or 40 hours, and eventually, I'm supposed to take time off so it evens out to an average of 20 hours. So if I work 30 one week, I'm only supposed to do 10 another week, But I've been working 30 hours standard for 2 months, my schedule changes several times a week as they realize not all the hours are covered, or they are getting a shipment and need help, or someone's kid has a day off school they forgot about, etc. Twice I had to come in because the boss had a severe allergic reaction to something and had to go to the doctor. But I've accrued something like 100 overtime hours, which on a 20 hour a week contract is 5 weeks, plus I have 3 or 4 weeks of vacation time as well. But I never get scheduled for fewer hours, so I never get it worked down. So we had an unpaid intern working with us for a couple of months, and she got a contract now....she started just a couple of weeks ago with the paid contract, which means now she's allowed to work the register. A couple of weeks ago, the boss reworks the schedule again, and I end up with this new gal who has only worked there for a week, and I have to be the keyholder for that day, and kind of be in charge....any time there's a return, she's not allowed to do it alone, so I have to stand there with her, etc. I didn't WANT this responsibility....I don't get PAID to do that...that's what managers are for. But it was Ramona's daughter's birthday and the boss was supposed to be there, but then a new store was opening up in a different town and they panicked because they weren't ready, and they asked her to come and help, so the boss, without asking me, decided to go help there and leave me with the new gal to run our store. We weren't supposed to get a shipment that day, and the discount list didn't necessarily have to be done that day...both of these are things I never got trained to do because Ramona had to learn them first. So I had never done them. So of course, the shipment came a day early, and I also had to try to figure out how to do the discount list. I told the boss I was nervous, I didn't really know whether I could handle it, I didn't feel ready. She says I know more than I think I do and it won't be a problem, if she didn't think I could do it, she wouldn't go, bla bla bla. So I do it....I got the discount list halfway done, got the shipment taken care of, but then I apparently started in the wrong section with cleanup at the end of the day and it was such a mess where I started that we didn't get the whole store cleaned up. Ramona came in the next day and was upset that the fitting room rack was full, and that there were a few things not straightened in the mens and plus size sections. I never have the lead....there's ALWAYS a manager with me, and I haven't been taught in what order to do things. I've gotten mixed messages, because one person says to start with one thing, another says to start with something else....anyway, I was told I had to come in early that day to make up for it, which made me angry because 2 weeks before that, when THEY had worked together, they didn't get everything cleaned up either, and rather than coming back the next day, -I- had to clean up after them. So I told them it didn't seem very fair that when THEY leave a mess, it's fine....they attribute it to it being busy or having other priorities, but when -I- don't get it all done, it's because I'm too slow and I have to come back in on my day off, or earlier than I was scheduled to fix it. They had a meeting and told me that if I don't improve my work tempo, they won't renew my contract. I haven't heard anything about my work tempo since the beginning, and now, suddenly when they have a new hire, a week later, I'm too slow again. They put me on register and I can't control the number of customers or how long they take. So I don't get as much done as they do, because I'm doing the register. I've been paying close attention to my work tempo since it was mentioned back in like....July, and I've been doing the best I can. But the boss says, for example, that I only get the kids' section done with cleanup and a small portion of women's and they have to do the rest. But the thing is, I'll get kids done, move on to women's, they'll send me to break and they will finish women's while I'm on break, but then it's my fault that they had to do women's without me. The boss says not to be a perfectionist....it doesn't have to be perfect, but if there's ONE hanger sticking out, she'll point it out and say I didn't do that rack and make me go back and do it again. She once told me I needed to do women's again because there was a bunch of stuff on the floor....I had just finished women's and it was all picked up. She says she still sees "A bunch of stuff on the floor". I went back through, and there was ONE shirt that had fallen off a hanger. That was it. So she's exaggerating massively. And she tells me I need to improve or they can't renew my contract....and this meeting happened right after I complained that it was unfair that THEY can leave it a mess, but I can't. I always should have had plenty of time to do it and was just too slow, even though they weren't there to see that I was stuck at the register the whole time and couldn't step away. And they hired the new gal, who now took over a bunch of the hours, so this is the first week I've NOT worked around 30 hours....and they said we'd meet again in the week of December 2nd to talk about whether I've improved or not. And I have exactly 3 shifts in that time to prove myself. I had asked for the week of Thanksgiving off, and they gave a lot of my hours in this week to the new gal because I have WAY too many overhours and HAVE to take time off. What it feels like to me is they are replacing me with the new gal and they want an excuse not to renew my contract. That's what they did with the unreliable girl in the summer....she would have been fired LONG before, but if they did that, none of them would have been able to take their vacations. So they kept her on through her trial period, just to get through the summer vacation, and then booted her when they didn't need her anymore. So I've been taking all the hours where they didn't have anyone, filling in on the spur of the moment, giving up my days off to come in....they've scheduled me so that I only work a few hours each day, so I work 30 hours, but only get 2 days off in the week. I've rescheduled appointments, come in on days I've specifically asked to have free because they were in a bind....I've bent over backwards to accommodate whatever they need. And then I have one bad moment, that I wasn't even supposed to be on my own for, and I'm out? I haven't been able to turn my head for over a month because I've got so much tension in my neck and shoulders. I've been to the doctor, I've had a massage, I've tried new pillows.....it must be from stress. And I'm sick and have a fever blister, which thank goodness I'm off until Friday. But I think I'm headed for a burnout myself, and it SEEMS like they are setting me up to get me gone. The things they said about me just aren't true. I brought up that I haven't been trained as thoroughly as Ramona....they denied that. I brought up that I'm never in charge, so I have no experience with that and haven't been trained for it. They argued that I am not a manager, so I wasn't really in charge. It still amounts to the same thing....I was the one with the responsibility that day, when I hadn't been trained for it, and don't get paid extra for it. Really, it amounts to them covering their own rears....they never should have left me with that responsibility and they don't like that I stood up for myself and said it wasn't fair, there was a double standard. I've been running myslef ragged filling in all the shifts they don't want to do, but now they have a new gal so they don't need me as much, so they can get rid of me. All this time, the boss has been saying how happy she is with her team now, she finally has a good team after 3 years, and she's glad I'm super flexible, that she can finally relax and take some time off. She had to give up her vacations at Christmas the last two years because there was no one to cover and someone called in sick. So she had to give up her time off to come in so the store could open. Now she can FINALLY take that vacation. And my contract will be up soon after....I think, she's just using me to get her through the holidays and then I'll be gone.

Sorry, that was REALLY long. I'm not in a good place right now.
 
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Songbird76

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I've seen a number of people making suggestions on things to purchase now. Much of what has been suggested aren't things we need. Nothing suggested ticked any boxes for us, but I'm trying to determine if there's anything I'm missing that we really should consider. I have started my annual turkey stocking, but that's nothing new.

I've pulled back from a number of people and news sources. I really need to do more for my sanity. Mind you, many of the people we're pulling away from already were issues before anything political entered the mix. My MIL has really gone off the deep end. There have been issues with our relationship with her for nearly 2 decades, so it's much more than politics. I left it to DH to decide, but he's already chosen to say no to Thanksgiving and Christmas at her place. She was already skating on thin ice last Christmas and there have been many years we've avoided her altogether because of the junk that goes on in her home.
It can be so hard navigating relationships with parents as an adult. I think sometimes the parents never let go of the expectation of having an authoritative role in their kids' lives. Throw in some politics or religion (or both) and it can be really hard if they won't respect your autonomy. It's good that at least your husband has set some boundaries. Has she been told you won't be spending the holidays with her? How is she reacting to that?
 

HouCuseChickie

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My husband has been wanting a new car for a while, so he was thinking of buying one before tariffs take effect. I'm just worried about weathering this if my husband lost his job, so I'm trying to economize. My husband booked a winter getaway for January and only had to put a small deposit down. I said, "Let's wait until after the election to buy tickets to fly down in case we need to be careful with money and cancel." He went ahead and bought them and they are non-refundable. :banghead: We would have gotten our deposit back.

I am sorry about your MIL. I had to stop talking to my mom. This has nothing to do with politics, but just her overall behavior and treatment of others. She ruined every holiday. She would arrive and I could tell within seconds of seeing her face, she was going to detonate at some point. It would make me so anxious, so I would try to lift her mood, make her happy. I was just tip-toeing around her, not enjoying Christmas/Thanksgiving/Easter. She ultimately would blow up at something. It ruined the meal. You can't tell her to stop or to get out, because then SHE'S the victim. I get tired thinking about it. lol She came over for Christmas dinner one time and she was acting really angry with everyone--curt, monosyllabic answers, dirty looks, huffing and puffing. I could feel her anger rising. My husband told her to leave if she was going to be nasty and he was tired of having holidays ruined. She stormed out and my grandmother (her mother) asked my husband if that was necessary. :rolleyes: The final straw for me for not talking to my mom anymore was my mom and my grandmother's last visit here in 2019. My husband and son took my mom to the store or something and my grandmother told me my mother was hitting her. I did ask her if she wanted to move in with us and she said no. I wasn't surprised, since all of her family and friends were in Illinois. She told me not to tell my mom that I knew. I didn't, but I did report her to the local agency on aging and they opened up a file. Her behavior goes beyond holidays, too. There's too much to list and I've already written too much. lol

Anyway, the move to NJ was a blessing in disguise. Now, we have holidays that are chill. We eat when we want to eat, nobody is walking around on egg shells, because we don't have to worry about anyone turning our holiday meals into Hiroshima. It's amazing and I look forward to the holidays now.

I understand the vehicle part. That new truck David got to replace his tree totaled truck is still having issues and he's close to starting the lemon process. I'm wondering if the airfare was a good deal that he didn't think he should pass up. Obviously, it still went against the agreement to wait. I guess which way do you lose more money? Is there any way you'd still be better off just eating the cost of the air and canceling the getaway? Is it a fare where you can at least have credits in reserve if you cancel?

Political issues have just been the last straw with us and my MIL. She definitely doesn't have that anxiety inducing ticking time bomb effect that you've had to experience. So, I guess we're lucky with that. The violence against your grandmother is appalling. My mother suspected something like that may have been going on like that between my aunt and maternal grandmother. I'm glad you reported it. The mere fact that your grandmother didn't want you to tell her mom speaks of someone that was living in fear while also trying to protect their abuser.

I'm glad there is at least some peace for you being in NJ. It's definitely nice when you can have holidays on your own terms. I think I've really enjoyed them a lot more since moving to the other side of town and pulling back from my MIL. Now you can actually look forward to this time of year. It's bittersweet in a way, but sometimes we have to do what's best for our sanity and enjoyment.
 

HouCuseChickie

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It can be so hard navigating relationships with parents as an adult. I think sometimes the parents never let go of the expectation of having an authoritative role in their kids' lives. Throw in some politics or religion (or both) and it can be really hard if they won't respect your autonomy. It's good that at least your husband has set some boundaries. Has she been told you won't be spending the holidays with her? How is she reacting to that?

What's funny is that his mom isn't the authoritative type...for the most part. She was a single mom for nearly all of DH's childhood and due to her work schedule, he was sort of a free-range kid. I remember talking to the parents of his childhood best friend and they shared how they'd keep an eye out for him and his biological older brother as there was little to no adult supervision in their lives. The only real rule was at 18, you either were in school or you moved out to fend for yourself. I believe she was even a teacher for a while before shifting into a computer engineering career. She, herself, is very well educated. When she remarried (DH was in college at this point), her new husband had a bunch of kids at varying stages of life. Most of them are deadbeats...school dropouts/criminals- entry level money laundering/check fraud... hard drugs... sexual assaults... major thefts... and a wide array of manipulation scams... physical violence, etc. Those rules that DH and BIL had at 18 no longer existed. Basically, the step kids have never been held to the standards that DH and my BIL had. Biological BIL had enough years ago and just refuses to associate with her. MIL went as far as buying some of the deadbeat step kids their own houses. No jobs...no education...criminals...but let's buy them houses! In fact, she pays for nearly everything! Even the new husband stopped working shortly after they married. Oh, and she pays for the step-kids' children as well. Trashiest of the trashy stepsisters' eldest child has been living with MIL for over 10 years. This all started after the baby daddy of two of his youngest siblings molested his full sister (was also watching adult films with them). The courts pushed him out of the house when it came out that he was also molesting his younger half-sisters. During these last 10 years, he's dropped out of school, started dealing heroin from MILs home while also becoming an addict, participated in a major home burglary ring, defrauded MIL out of thousands while loaning out her account info...like Uber and Lyft, and of course he doesn't work. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. His mom is the trashy stepsister that dropped out of school at 15 because it was easier to get pregnant and have MIL and the government pay for everything (she wound up having 4 kids before they insisted she do something to stop). She'd later go on to things like low level money laundering and check fraud before moving up to conning older men with "adult" favors. She was really proud of that BMW she got a couple of years ago from her most recent con.

This won't be the first year we're skipping the holidays with MIL. We made a return last year because DH felt guilty that she'd turned 80 and we never go. This actually all started when K was an infant. In addition to MIL losing all sense of good and bad, she also became pretty clueless about health. Kendall was just days home from the hospital, including several days in the NICU, when she invited us over and knowingly exposed our newborn to several kids with raging cases of strep. About 2 months later staph was an issue in her home. It was so bad that one of ultra trashy step SIL's kids had to be hospitalized for a bit. MIL didn't think it was a big deal that she was fostering antibiotic resistant staph (this was before she bought that step SIL a house). Our pediatrician advised us to avoid them and their home for at least 6 months after the last confirmed outbreak was gone. So, she missed most of Ks first year of life. When we invited her to K's 1st bday, she had the nerve to bring trashy step SIL and her kids. We all wound up sick a week later. The staph came back at some point, so we had to avoid them again. DH trusted her in the early stages to help save some $ and have them watch Sam, but MIL's husband started becoming pretty nasty and we had to put her in daycare. He was whining about all of the kids and Sam being just one more, yet all of the kids were because he had a band of losers tied to him under the roof. Later on, she nearly killed K a couple of times because of her carelessness with K's food allergies. They actually wanted to spend time with them for once, but also had the deadbeat kids around and were blind about precautions and severity of issues. 2014 was the last time we ever allowed her to watch our kids. She had the audacity to chew me out for explaining to the girls why they weren't allowed to be around their molester step cousin. MIL was concerned about me jeopardizing their relationship with family and learning to fear their "cousins." She went on about not believing he did it. I reminded her that it's pretty uncommon for people, especially children, to lie when sharing that they've been touched inappropriately...and that at least one of us had to have the safety of her biological grandchildren in mind. So, I was going to be a good mom and do what I needed to do to protect my kids.

Before she went off the political deep end and started associating certain candidates with something Messianic in nature, she started private messaging me conspiracy theories about medicine. She wasn't always this way, In fact, she got both doses of the original Covid vaccine and was boosted a couple of times. Then she started sending me things about pulling my kids from our pediatrician and to stop getting them vaccines altogether...not just Covid.

So, when you put it all together...it's no wonder we started intentionally booking holiday vacations that took us away from home on Christmas and Thanksgiving. With Sam's travel ball costs, we can't do that kind of holiday travel anymore, but we still don't want to be anywhere near her and the step spawn. i.e. her political insanity is just a final nail in the separation coffin. Even before DH and I got married and had kids, she was always oddly distant...even though she's local. We tried to involve her more once the girls were born (during times when she wasn't hosting typhoid in her home), but she still favored the step kids and never went out of her way to see us. It wasn't until DH saw the regular interaction with my parents and our kids that he woke up to how caring and devoted family can be...and my parents live over 1000 miles away! Seriously...his mom never reaches out on birthdays and is basically like "whatever" when anyone is sick or hurt. When we mentioned concerns with things with the kids after everything with my cancer, there were crickets. He's still shocked that his mom didn't bother to give Kendall a graduation gift. She lavishes the step kids with everything but nothing for K. They came to her graduation, but MILs husband made it clear they had no desire to attend her celebratory dinner. It wouldn't be the first year that we haven't communicated before a holiday about not going to her house, so I doubt he'll say anything. My luck, she'll ask me...assuming she decides to get the kids Christmas gifts. Not that we'll be able to go to her house. My parents are coming in for Christmas, Sam is in North Carolina the next week, and then we have to take K back to school.

Sorry for the novel.
 

Songbird76

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What's funny is that his mom isn't the authoritative type...for the most part. She was a single mom for nearly all of DH's childhood and due to her work schedule, he was sort of a free-range kid. I remember talking to the parents of his childhood best friend and they shared how they'd keep an eye out for him and his biological older brother as there was little to no adult supervision in their lives. The only real rule was at 18, you either were in school or you moved out to fend for yourself. I believe she was even a teacher for a while before shifting into a computer engineering career. She, herself, is very well educated. When she remarried (DH was in college at this point), her new husband had a bunch of kids at varying stages of life. Most of them are deadbeats...school dropouts/criminals- entry level money laundering/check fraud... hard drugs... sexual assaults... major thefts... and a wide array of manipulation scams... physical violence, etc. Those rules that DH and BIL had at 18 no longer existed. Basically, the step kids have never been held to the standards that DH and my BIL had. Biological BIL had enough years ago and just refuses to associate with her. MIL went as far as buying some of the deadbeat step kids their own houses. No jobs...no education...criminals...but let's buy them houses! In fact, she pays for nearly everything! Even the new husband stopped working shortly after they married. Oh, and she pays for the step-kids' children as well. Trashiest of the trashy stepsisters' eldest child has been living with MIL for over 10 years. This all started after the baby daddy of two of his youngest siblings molested his full sister (was also watching adult films with them). The courts pushed him out of the house when it came out that he was also molesting his younger half-sisters. During these last 10 years, he's dropped out of school, started dealing heroin from MILs home while also becoming an addict, participated in a major home burglary ring, defrauded MIL out of thousands while loaning out her account info...like Uber and Lyft, and of course he doesn't work. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. His mom is the trashy stepsister that dropped out of school at 15 because it was easier to get pregnant and have MIL and the government pay for everything (she wound up having 4 kids before they insisted she do something to stop). She'd later go on to things like low level money laundering and check fraud before moving up to conning older men with "adult" favors. She was really proud of that BMW she got a couple of years ago from her most recent con.

This won't be the first year we're skipping the holidays with MIL. We made a return last year because DH felt guilty that she'd turned 80 and we never go. This actually all started when K was an infant. In addition to MIL losing all sense of good and bad, she also became pretty clueless about health. Kendall was just days home from the hospital, including several days in the NICU, when she invited us over and knowingly exposed our newborn to several kids with raging cases of strep. About 2 months later staph was an issue in her home. It was so bad that one of ultra trashy step SIL's kids had to be hospitalized for a bit. MIL didn't think it was a big deal that she was fostering antibiotic resistant staph (this was before she bought that step SIL a house). Our pediatrician advised us to avoid them and their home for at least 6 months after the last confirmed outbreak was gone. So, she missed most of Ks first year of life. When we invited her to K's 1st bday, she had the nerve to bring trashy step SIL and her kids. We all wound up sick a week later. The staph came back at some point, so we had to avoid them again. DH trusted her in the early stages to help save some $ and have them watch Sam, but MIL's husband started becoming pretty nasty and we had to put her in daycare. He was whining about all of the kids and Sam being just one more, yet all of the kids were because he had a band of losers tied to him under the roof. Later on, she nearly killed K a couple of times because of her carelessness with K's food allergies. They actually wanted to spend time with them for once, but also had the deadbeat kids around and were blind about precautions and severity of issues. 2014 was the last time we ever allowed her to watch our kids. She had the audacity to chew me out for explaining to the girls why they weren't allowed to be around their molester step cousin. MIL was concerned about me jeopardizing their relationship with family and learning to fear their "cousins." She went on about not believing he did it. I reminded her that it's pretty uncommon for people, especially children, to lie when sharing that they've been touched inappropriately...and that at least one of us had to have the safety of her biological grandchildren in mind. So, I was going to be a good mom and do what I needed to do to protect my kids.

Before she went off the political deep end and started associating certain candidates with something Messianic in nature, she started private messaging me conspiracy theories about medicine. She wasn't always this way, In fact, she got both doses of the original Covid vaccine and was boosted a couple of times. Then she started sending me things about pulling my kids from our pediatrician and to stop getting them vaccines altogether...not just Covid.

So, when you put it all together...it's no wonder we started intentionally booking holiday vacations that took us away from home on Christmas and Thanksgiving. With Sam's travel ball costs, we can't do that kind of holiday travel anymore, but we still don't want to be anywhere near her and the step spawn. i.e. her political insanity is just a final nail in the separation coffin. Even before DH and I got married and had kids, she was always oddly distant...even though she's local. We tried to involve her more once the girls were born (during times when she wasn't hosting typhoid in her home), but she still favored the step kids and never went out of her way to see us. It wasn't until DH saw the regular interaction with my parents and our kids that he woke up to how caring and devoted family can be...and my parents live over 1000 miles away! Seriously...his mom never reaches out on birthdays and is basically like "whatever" when anyone is sick or hurt. When we mentioned concerns with things with the kids after everything with my cancer, there were crickets. He's still shocked that his mom didn't bother to give Kendall a graduation gift. She lavishes the step kids with everything but nothing for K. They came to her graduation, but MILs husband made it clear they had no desire to attend her celebratory dinner. It wouldn't be the first year that we haven't communicated before a holiday about not going to her house, so I doubt he'll say anything. My luck, she'll ask me...assuming she decides to get the kids Christmas gifts. Not that we'll be able to go to her house. My parents are coming in for Christmas, Sam is in North Carolina the next week, and then we have to take K back to school.

Sorry for the novel.
It sounds like she got in over her head and then it just became normal to her. But it isn't a situation I would want to walk into,especially with kids. Maybe she's in denial? Or maybe she's afraid of doing something about all the issues because then she'd be alone? Like... What happens if she kicks out the drug dealer? Would they come after her? That sounds like a horrible situation to live in and I know sometimes moms have a real problem with admitting they made a mistake. They would rather just pretend it's all normal and fine.

Good for you guys for sticking to your principles and doing what is best for you and your family. Not everyone has the courage to stand up to their parents and deal with the fall out. You are doing a great job and setting a good example for the girls of how to set those boundaries.
 

HouCuseChickie

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It sounds like she got in over her head and then it just became normal to her. But it isn't a situation I would want to walk into,especially with kids. Maybe she's in denial? Or maybe she's afraid of doing something about all the issues because then she'd be alone? Like... What happens if she kicks out the drug dealer? Would they come after her? That sounds like a horrible situation to live in and I know sometimes moms have a real problem with admitting they made a mistake. They would rather just pretend it's all normal and fine.

Good for you guys for sticking to your principles and doing what is best for you and your family. Not everyone has the courage to stand up to their parents and deal with the fall out. You are doing a great job and setting a good example for the girls of how to set those boundaries.

That's some of it. At some point, when she realized the step kids were out of hand and the neighborhood DH grew up in was changing for the worse, she moved the kids to a nicer suburb on the south side of the city. She was hoping better schools and peer influences would turn them around. When that didn't work, she joined a non-denominational church to use religion to help scare them straight. It was an interesting choice since she had left the church many years before I met DH. I think she was Catholic, switched to Methodist, and then left altogether. The new church she joined for the unruly step-kids was non-denominational. She made it sound like this utopia where everyone was accepted and there were all kinds of freedoms, but it became pretty clear that was a lie when her beloved pastor refused to have any part in our wedding...not even separate ceremonies. He started pushing hard for her to save me and get me to convert. When we got to see it in person (some special family event for one of the kids she was trying to "save") it had really strong cult vibes. It didn't do a thing to help the kids, but it certainly became a central part of her life. For the drugs, she is so out of touch with reality that she never once thought she could be in danger. The step kids literally can do no wrong. Even when the step-grandson asked for help checking into a rehab, she went on about how it must not be that bad because she never noticed. I'm not sure if she's just pretending everything is fine or if she's really gone that far off the deep end and lost touch with reality. I think it's the latter. DH's grandmother passed in 2020, but she was the last voice of reason that spoke regularly to his mom.

Thank you! It's hard pulling away from family, but sometimes situations are just too toxic to maintain. While DH was still on board with seeing her, we used his step siblings and their kids as examples of what they don't want to be. Still, those lessons are pretty well cemented and MIL is so much worse. So, with all that I've shared and her more recent political insanity, it's just not worth ruining what should be a fun and festive time of year.
 

HouCuseChickie

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No, it's kind of a ridiculous actually. They say I'm "too slow" and that they feel like they have to do everything themselves when they work with me. But what's stupid is that when I started, there was one other gal who started just a couple of weeks before me. The boss kept saying she hadn't had a good team for 3 years. They couldn't get people who were reliable and get them to stay. The boss had surgery, asked one of the newer guys if he would be available that week and obviously the assistant manager would be there, too, but the boss wouldn't be able to be there for that week. He said no problem, he'd be there that week. She had her surgery and that morning, he called in "sick". He had gone out and partied the night before and then had a hangover and lack of sleep and couldn't make it in. So the boss had to come in right after her surgery just so there was someone there and they could open the store. And this summer, we had a girl who just wouldn't show up and she had any number of excuses....she overslept, she thought she didn't have to work until afternoon, etc. So the person who opened had to do so alone and then call her and get her motivated to come in and she'd always be a couple of hours late. These are the kinds of people they've had for 3 years. So the assistant manager had never wanted a managerial position. She had been a manager at a different chain of stores and left that chain and just wanted a regular store job. Then one day, the then assisstant manager got frustrated about something, handed her the keys and said "That's it. I'm gone." and walked out. So the manager and the regional manager BEGGED her to take on the assisstant manager position, which she really didn't want to do, but they pressured her into it and she agreed to do it temporarily, and then they just weren't worried about looking for a replacement. So she did it for 2 years, and really really didn't want to do it anymore. So when Ramona and I were hired, she stepped down and said she just wasn't going to do it anymore. So Ramona agreed to become the new assisstant manager. But because she was new, she had to learn everything REALLY fast. Suddenly, my training had to take a back seat, because it was most important that she, as a manager, knew how to do everything. So I was always on the register so she could learn all the other stuff, and when we got shipments, I was stuck at the register and couldn't help them with unloading and stocking.

The girl we had in the summer vacation didn't make it through her trial period. Normally, we have 2 weekend/vacation workers and they do the Friday evening shift and the Saturday shifts, and alternate doing the one Sunday a month we're open. But since she was let go, we needed to replace her, and the boss just wasn't really that worried about it because she really likes the other weekend/vacation girl, and she could take those hours. But that girl is 20 and in college and has an internship this semester, through January and she can't do the Friday evenings, because her internship ends at 5 each day and the shift at the store starts at 6. She'd have only an hour to get home, eat something, and get to the store. So the boss said we'd all just take turns doing Friday evenings and we'd each have to work one friday evening a month. Except, there are only 4 of us, and you need 2 people to run the store, and she scheduled me for nearly every Friday evening for 2 months. And then Chantal, the previous assisstant manager was still being relied on to take on responsibilities she was no longer getting paid extra for, and she ended up with a burnout. So she's been out since the first week of September, and I've largely been taking on her hours. My contract is for 20 hours a week. I get paid for 20 hours a week whether I work 10 or 40 hours, and eventually, I'm supposed to take time off so it evens out to an average of 20 hours. So if I work 30 one week, I'm only supposed to do 10 another week, But I've been working 30 hours standard for 2 months, my schedule changes several times a week as they realize not all the hours are covered, or they are getting a shipment and need help, or someone's kid has a day off school they forgot about, etc. Twice I had to come in because the boss had a severe allergic reaction to something and had to go to the doctor. But I've accrued something like 100 overtime hours, which on a 20 hour a week contract is 5 weeks, plus I have 3 or 4 weeks of vacation time as well. But I never get scheduled for fewer hours, so I never get it worked down. So we had an unpaid intern working with us for a couple of months, and she got a contract now....she started just a couple of weeks ago with the paid contract, which means now she's allowed to work the register. A couple of weeks ago, the boss reworks the schedule again, and I end up with this new gal who has only worked there for a week, and I have to be the keyholder for that day, and kind of be in charge....any time there's a return, she's not allowed to do it alone, so I have to stand there with her, etc. I didn't WANT this responsibility....I don't get PAID to do that...that's what managers are for. But it was Ramona's daughter's birthday and the boss was supposed to be there, but then a new store was opening up in a different town and they panicked because they weren't ready, and they asked her to come and help, so the boss, without asking me, decided to go help there and leave me with the new gal to run our store. We weren't supposed to get a shipment that day, and the discount list didn't necessarily have to be done that day...both of these are things I never got trained to do because Ramona had to learn them first. So I had never done them. So of course, the shipment came a day early, and I also had to try to figure out how to do the discount list. I told the boss I was nervous, I didn't really know whether I could handle it, I didn't feel ready. She says I know more than I think I do and it won't be a problem, if she didn't think I could do it, she wouldn't go, bla bla bla. So I do it....I got the discount list halfway done, got the shipment taken care of, but then I apparently started in the wrong section with cleanup at the end of the day and it was such a mess where I started that we didn't get the whole store cleaned up. Ramona came in the next day and was upset that the fitting room rack was full, and that there were a few things not straightened in the mens and plus size sections. I never have the lead....there's ALWAYS a manager with me, and I haven't been taught in what order to do things. I've gotten mixed messages, because one person says to start with one thing, another says to start with something else....anyway, I was told I had to come in early that day to make up for it, which made me angry because 2 weeks before that, when THEY had worked together, they didn't get everything cleaned up either, and rather than coming back the next day, -I- had to clean up after them. So I told them it didn't seem very fair that when THEY leave a mess, it's fine....they attribute it to it being busy or having other priorities, but when -I- don't get it all done, it's because I'm too slow and I have to come back in on my day off, or earlier than I was scheduled to fix it. They had a meeting and told me that if I don't improve my work tempo, they won't renew my contract. I haven't heard anything about my work tempo since the beginning, and now, suddenly when they have a new hire, a week later, I'm too slow again. They put me on register and I can't control the number of customers or how long they take. So I don't get as much done as they do, because I'm doing the register. I've been paying close attention to my work tempo since it was mentioned back in like....July, and I've been doing the best I can. But the boss says, for example, that I only get the kids' section done with cleanup and a small portion of women's and they have to do the rest. But the thing is, I'll get kids done, move on to women's, they'll send me to break and they will finish women's while I'm on break, but then it's my fault that they had to do women's without me. The boss says not to be a perfectionist....it doesn't have to be perfect, but if there's ONE hanger sticking out, she'll point it out and say I didn't do that rack and make me go back and do it again. She once told me I needed to do women's again because there was a bunch of stuff on the floor....I had just finished women's and it was all picked up. She says she still sees "A bunch of stuff on the floor". I went back through, and there was ONE shirt that had fallen off a hanger. That was it. So she's exaggerating massively. And she tells me I need to improve or they can't renew my contract....and this meeting happened right after I complained that it was unfair that THEY can leave it a mess, but I can't. I always should have had plenty of time to do it and was just too slow, even though they weren't there to see that I was stuck at the register the whole time and couldn't step away. And they hired the new gal, who now took over a bunch of the hours, so this is the first week I've NOT worked around 30 hours....and they said we'd meet again in the week of December 2nd to talk about whether I've improved or not. And I have exactly 3 shifts in that time to prove myself. I had asked for the week of Thanksgiving off, and they gave a lot of my hours in this week to the new gal because I have WAY too many overhours and HAVE to take time off. What it feels like to me is they are replacing me with the new gal and they want an excuse not to renew my contract. That's what they did with the unreliable girl in the summer....she would have been fired LONG before, but if they did that, none of them would have been able to take their vacations. So they kept her on through her trial period, just to get through the summer vacation, and then booted her when they didn't need her anymore. So I've been taking all the hours where they didn't have anyone, filling in on the spur of the moment, giving up my days off to come in....they've scheduled me so that I only work a few hours each day, so I work 30 hours, but only get 2 days off in the week. I've rescheduled appointments, come in on days I've specifically asked to have free because they were in a bind....I've bent over backwards to accommodate whatever they need. And then I have one bad moment, that I wasn't even supposed to be on my own for, and I'm out? I haven't been able to turn my head for over a month because I've got so much tension in my neck and shoulders. I've been to the doctor, I've had a massage, I've tried new pillows.....it must be from stress. And I'm sick and have a fever blister, which thank goodness I'm off until Friday. But I think I'm headed for a burnout myself, and it SEEMS like they are setting me up to get me gone. The things they said about me just aren't true. I brought up that I haven't been trained as thoroughly as Ramona....they denied that. I brought up that I'm never in charge, so I have no experience with that and haven't been trained for it. They argued that I am not a manager, so I wasn't really in charge. It still amounts to the same thing....I was the one with the responsibility that day, when I hadn't been trained for it, and don't get paid extra for it. Really, it amounts to them covering their own rears....they never should have left me with that responsibility and they don't like that I stood up for myself and said it wasn't fair, there was a double standard. I've been running myslef ragged filling in all the shifts they don't want to do, but now they have a new gal so they don't need me as much, so they can get rid of me. All this time, the boss has been saying how happy she is with her team now, she finally has a good team after 3 years, and she's glad I'm super flexible, that she can finally relax and take some time off. She had to give up her vacations at Christmas the last two years because there was no one to cover and someone called in sick. So she had to give up her time off to come in so the store could open. Now she can FINALLY take that vacation. And my contract will be up soon after....I think, she's just using me to get her through the holidays and then I'll be gone.

Sorry, that was REALLY long. I'm not in a good place right now.

I'm sorry about everything with work. I don't have any suggestions but I've been in similar positions. I don't know how the job market is there, but have you considered looking for something new? Believe me, I've stuck it out in some pretty miserable conditions because I needed the paycheck. DH has always been big on keeping my resume ready and keeping my eyes out for good opportunities just in case. Of course, I've never been very good with that, but it's what he always says. It seems impossible to win in a situation like this. They tell you to ease up on perfection but criticize when it's not. You wind up getting overworked because they clearly have staffing and scheduling issues but are led to fear you're being phased out when they finally do allow you to have a break. They can't even keep their training straight, but it's easier to blame you that take ownership of their own failures. From the sounds of the others in the mix, it sounds like they are also victims of the poor setup. Maybe I missed it, but is it abnormal for contracts to not be renewed? Or is it just the standard for people to move on when contracts end? Is there anyone above them that you can report to that might be able to intervene on your behalf? I don't know standards over there, but here, you might see someone in HR or an ombudsman work with employees caught in the middle of managerial issues like this.

Either way, I'm sorry it's been so horrible and I home you're able to get some kind of positive outcome.
 

Songbird76

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That's some of it. At some point, when she realized the step kids were out of hand and the neighborhood DH grew up in was changing for the worse, she moved the kids to a nicer suburb on the south side of the city. She was hoping better schools and peer influences would turn them around. When that didn't work, she joined a non-denominational church to use religion to help scare them straight. It was an interesting choice since she had left the church many years before I met DH. I think she was Catholic, switched to Methodist, and then left altogether. The new church she joined for the unruly step-kids was non-denominational. She made it sound like this utopia where everyone was accepted and there were all kinds of freedoms, but it became pretty clear that was a lie when her beloved pastor refused to have any part in our wedding...not even separate ceremonies. He started pushing hard for her to save me and get me to convert. When we got to see it in person (some special family event for one of the kids she was trying to "save") it had really strong cult vibes. It didn't do a thing to help the kids, but it certainly became a central part of her life. For the drugs, she is so out of touch with reality that she never once thought she could be in danger. The step kids literally can do no wrong. Even when the step-grandson asked for help checking into a rehab, she went on about how it must not be that bad because she never noticed. I'm not sure if she's just pretending everything is fine or if she's really gone that far off the deep end and lost touch with reality. I think it's the latter. DH's grandmother passed in 2020, but she was the last voice of reason that spoke regularly to his mom.

Thank you! It's hard pulling away from family, but sometimes situations are just too toxic to maintain. While DH was still on board with seeing her, we used his step siblings and their kids as examples of what they don't want to be. Still, those lessons are pretty well cemented and MIL is so much worse. So, with all that I've shared and her more recent political insanity, it's just not worth ruining what should be a fun and festive time of year.
It's sad really. I'm sure it was hard for her being a single mom, but where is the new husband in all of this? A step-parent can't really take the place of a parent... They don't have the history with the kids. It's too easy for the parents to play favorites with their own kids over the step kids, or the one parent is more strict and the step kids aren't used to the strict rules, so not everyone has the same rules. It's really hard to bring in a step parent with kids. I remember when my parents divorced and my dad started dating this woman. She was a super nice woman, but I was six and I wanted my parents back together and I didn't want some other woman encroaching. And my dad didn't have custody of us, nor did the woman have kids to bring into the equation. But I'm reasonably certain that had she tried to be a parent to me, I would not have been very respectful. She never tried to parent me, but I remember I was very standoffish and resisted getting to know her. I didn't like that my visitation with my dad was time we had to share with her. She was really sweet and tried really hard to make things better... I still have a quilt she made for me. I can imagine that your husband's mom, in regard to the step kids, felt like she had to be a pushover for the kids to like her/accept her. But it doesn't sound like their dad was very involved in raising them... Like he only married your husband's mom so he had someone to dump the kids on. Or am I misunderstanding that? It shouldn't have been her job to get the kids straightened out. But it also doesn't sound like she was very... Realistic about it... The kids' behavior should have been a huge red flag to her. It's sad that she ended up in such a messed up situation and that it's gotten worse instead of better. But if she's 80, it's not likely to change. But it's sad that her own children can't have a relationship with her because it's so unhealthy and she is in denial about how bad it is. You'd think the lack of relationship would be a wake up call to her. But you're right... It's not worth ruining the holidays. It's sad, but the reality is it's not safe for anyone.
 

Songbird76

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I'm sorry about everything with work. I don't have any suggestions but I've been in similar positions. I don't know how the job market is there, but have you considered looking for something new? Believe me, I've stuck it out in some pretty miserable conditions because I needed the paycheck. DH has always been big on keeping my resume ready and keeping my eyes out for good opportunities just in case. Of course, I've never been very good with that, but it's what he always says. It seems impossible to win in a situation like this. They tell you to ease up on perfection but criticize when it's not. You wind up getting overworked because they clearly have staffing and scheduling issues but are led to fear you're being phased out when they finally do allow you to have a break. They can't even keep their training straight, but it's easier to blame you that take ownership of their own failures. From the sounds of the others in the mix, it sounds like they are also victims of the poor setup. Maybe I missed it, but is it abnormal for contracts to not be renewed? Or is it just the standard for people to move on when contracts end? Is there anyone above them that you can report to that might be able to intervene on your behalf? I don't know standards over there, but here, you might see someone in HR or an ombudsman work with employees caught in the middle of managerial issues like this.

Either way, I'm sorry it's been so horrible and I home you're able to get some kind of positive outcome.
It's not abnormal for contracts to not be renewed. They changed the law here a few years back and it was meant to protect the worker and give job stability. It actually did the opposite. You used to be able to renew contracts infinitely... Like, a person could be hired for 6 months and then just keep renewing their contracts over and over and work in the same position for years. But that meant that people never had a permanent position with all the benefits, etc... And the company could terminate you easily. They just could refuse to renew the contract and then you had no legal recourse for wrongful termination or anything, because they weren't FIRING you. They could just say they didn't have any work for you anymore. So they changed the law and it now requires the employer to offer you a permanent contract after 3 renewals. So you generally start with a 6 month contract with a 2 month trial period. Any time within that two months, either side can break the contract without notice. After that, they have to wait until the contract runs out to get rid of you, unless you do something awful like steal from the company. But they do have to give you an opportunity to improve if you aren't performing well. They can't just fire you. The idea of the permanent contract after three is that you've proven yourself by that point, so they should have already gotten rid of you if you weren't doing a good job, so they need to give you job security if you've done a good job. The reality is that a lot of employers don't want to have permanent employees, so they renew your contract twice and then tell you they don't have work for you anymore so they never have to offer you the permanent contract. I worked at the same company for 14.5 years and I had a permanent contract for zero hours a week. They didn't have to give me hours and I could block out whatever hours I didn't want to work... I could take 6 weeks of vacation if I wanted because I wasn't obligated to work a certain number of hours and they weren't obligated to schedule me. But they needed people, so I was always scheduled for whatever hours I made available. But I was the only person who had that contract. My third renewal hit just right that THEY HAD to offer me a permanent contract, but I had been working on an on-call basis and they brought in new management who switched the contracts up and got rid of the on-call system. But they couldn't force me to take set hours when I hadn't had that type of contract. They tried really hard to persuade me not to take a permanent contract, but instead to take a three month time out to decide whether or not I could work set hours. But that only benefitted them, because I'd be ineligible to work for three months and when I came back, I'd have to start over at the base wage, so I'd lose all the raises that I had earned, and I'd have to start over with three contract renewals before being given a permanent contract. I said no, I'd just take a zero hour permanent contract. I'm lucky I did, because what they did was just kept people for two renewals and then got rid of them so they could never build up time off, get benefits etc. And that's what companies do now. Wages are age- based per sector. A 16 year old only gets a couple euros per hour. A 17 year old a bit more, and so on, up until age 21, after which the minimum wage is the same within that type of job. So what companies do is hire 16 year olds, then renew their contracts for a year or whatever, and then when they get too expensive, they just don't renew the contract and they hire another 16 year old. If you are over 21, it's difficult to find a job that requires no special training/schooling, because employers don't want to pay more than absolutely necessary, and if a 16 year old only gets paid 1/3 of what I do, they can hire three 16 year olds OR one older person. The advantage older people have is that they don't have school, so they can work hours that a kid can't. But the system is set up to discriminate. This is my third job in a year and a half. The company I worked for so long sold out to a bigger company which then moved all operations to a different city over two hours away. They did it slowly so that hours were reduced drastically and people just couldn't afford to keep working there because they didn't get enough hours. Then they just closed the location and paid the few permanent workers left a severance. I had to quit a couple of months before they closed down because they were only giving me 4 hours a week and then they announced that they were scrapping the evening shift. We only have one car, which my husband takes to work during the day, so I couldn't work until evening. So I had to go. My first job after that, they only trained me to work the register, then used the fact that I only knew how to do the register as an excuse not to renew my contract. They had never placed me anywhere but at the register and I was told that's why I was there because most people don't like doing register and I said I enjoy it. But they didn't renew because I hadn't learned anything outside of that. The next job was at a toy store, and there was an incident just before I was hired. Anyone who worked the day of said incident did not get their contract renewed. That didn't affect me, but the company was owned by a retail group that owned several chains, several of which went belly up and one of which was struggling. They decided to sell the toy store chain to try to save the struggling chain. But in order to sell it, they had to get rid of the massive debt they had, and to make it look better, so they were closing a bunch of branches, cutting down on employees, etc.. So my job there was uncertain. Being over 21, I was way more expensive than they wanted. They got rid of the manager and told her they weren't going to renew contracts for anyone over 21. I actually heard HR say that. So I knew I wasn't going to get a new contract and I started looking for a new job right away. And I landed at THIS job, where they assured me that they desperately needed a good team who was reliable and would stick around. They've given me literally no other points I need to work on. I'm reliable, flexible, customer friendly, good with the register... My till is always correct. By all accounts, I'm good at what I do, just too much of a perfectionist to go as fast as they'd like, which I've worked on and I know I've improved. There should be no reason to get rid of someone because there's ONE thing they are less good at. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. I'm better at register than anyone else. So my strengths should be enough to compensate for the one weakness. But I think they like the new gal better, and she's only temporary to full in until Chantal is better and comes back, which we have no idea when that will be. But, I've already had a contract renewal once. They can only renew one more time before they have to offer a permanent one. If Chantal comes back before that, new woman has to go... Unless they get rid of ME so they can keep her on. But if they are going to get rid of me, it has to be when this contract ends or they will be obligated to offer me a permanent contract and they won't be able to keep the new hire anymore. So I think that's what this is...my contract is 20 hours. Chantal is 24, so the new hire has 24 because she's there to replace Chantal UNTIL Chantal comes back. But if they get rid of me, they also have more hours they can schedule. They weren't allowed to give me more than 20. They wanted two people for 24 hours, but regional said no. So Ramona got 24, I got 20. Then Chantal stepped down from assist. Manager and went to 24 hours and Ramona stepped up and went to 28, and I'm at 20, but working much more. By getting rid of me, they can keep the new hire at 24 and when Chantal comes back, she's at 24, so then they've got what they originally wanted. I haven't actually started looking yet because I want to see how the meeting goes in the week of December 2nd. I've only worked one day since the meeting where they said I have to improve, and Ramona said I did a good job that day. (I also did nothing different that day, so the idea that I'm usually too slow is bogus.) I only have two more shifts before the next meeting, one of which neither of them will be there to see how well I do. So they can't realistically judge how much I've improved. But by waiting until that meeting, I'll be able to tell more what the intention is. The one day I've worked, I did a good job. I "improved". I only have one more day to show them. If they try to pull the "unfortunately we don't see enough improvement" I'll know they are just trying to get rid of me and I'll start looking for something else. And I have enough time off built up that technically, I can give them my notice right away and not work another hour. I only have to give a month's notice and I have two months of time built up. So if they try to play dirty, I can play just as dirty and then they won't have me for the Christmas season and the manager won't get to take her vacation again because there won't be anyone to cover. I hate being petty like that, but I won't let them take advantage of me and then cast me out when they don't need me anymore.
 

HouCuseChickie

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It's sad really. I'm sure it was hard for her being a single mom, but where is the new husband in all of this? A step-parent can't really take the place of a parent... They don't have the history with the kids. It's too easy for the parents to play favorites with their own kids over the step kids, or the one parent is more strict and the step kids aren't used to the strict rules, so not everyone has the same rules. It's really hard to bring in a step parent with kids. I remember when my parents divorced and my dad started dating this woman. She was a super nice woman, but I was six and I wanted my parents back together and I didn't want some other woman encroaching. And my dad didn't have custody of us, nor did the woman have kids to bring into the equation. But I'm reasonably certain that had she tried to be a parent to me, I would not have been very respectful. She never tried to parent me, but I remember I was very standoffish and resisted getting to know her. I didn't like that my visitation with my dad was time we had to share with her. She was really sweet and tried really hard to make things better... I still have a quilt she made for me. I can imagine that your husband's mom, in regard to the step kids, felt like she had to be a pushover for the kids to like her/accept her. But it doesn't sound like their dad was very involved in raising them... Like he only married your husband's mom so he had someone to dump the kids on. Or am I misunderstanding that? It shouldn't have been her job to get the kids straightened out. But it also doesn't sound like she was very... Realistic about it... The kids' behavior should have been a huge red flag to her. It's sad that she ended up in such a messed up situation and that it's gotten worse instead of better. But if she's 80, it's not likely to change. But it's sad that her own children can't have a relationship with her because it's so unhealthy and she is in denial about how bad it is. You'd think the lack of relationship would be a wake up call to her. But you're right... It's not worth ruining the holidays. It's sad, but the reality is it's not safe for anyone.

To be perfectly honest, I don’t even fully understand his relationship to all of these kids. I know MIL went to court to get legal custody of the two youngest, because we’re pretty certain he’s not their biological dad. Like I think he got into a relationship with their biological mom, who already had custody issues because of her own criminal behavior/dangerous activities/neglect and they were likely to become wards of the state and wind up in a foster home. I believe that the older ones specifically tied to the mom were just old enough to be emancipated but still spent some time with MIL on and off. One of those older ones and one of the younger ones were both recipients of houses from MIL. Not small homes in lesser places either. I’m not sure where the two eldest sons (closer to DH in age) came from. They “may” actually be biologically MILs second husband's kids. I swear, it’s like an episode of a bad daytime talk show! They had such poor home situations that I’ve never once heard any of them having issues with having MIL in the mix. She was the closest thing to normalcy and care that they’d ever experienced and she was a pushover for them (unlike her biological kids). That’s not saying they didn’t get way out of hand…just that she was an improvement from their biological mother. I wouldn't even call it rebellion because it was simply that any rules were irrelevant and not enforced by any of the adults in the mix. Hence why they really liked being with MIL and why they still feed off of her to this day.

As for her second husband, he’s complicated and I’ve stopped trying to understand. He was working as an IT designer when I started dating DH. By the time they moved for the kids, he left the workforce. I think it was initially to be a stay at home dad to monitor the kids, but I think he got sidetracked in his projects and generally preferred doing nothing productive while having her paying the bills. The older of the two youngest got pregnant at 15 and dropped out, so it was like he had a buddy. She thought it would be easier to be a single mom than finish high school, and I guess it is when nobody makes you pay your way. The younger one had some psychological issues, would often run away or end up in some kind of detention facility. I think he fathered his first kid when he was 16, but the mother already had a significant other, so the one time I saw them all together, it was three parents in the mix. He and a couple of them moved to the northwest and he stayed up there. Still, I believe MIL still sends him and the baby-mama money on a regular basis.

Like you said...she's 80 and it's highly unlikely that she'll change. She's chosen the step kids and some off the deep end crazy stuff, and it's just happier and healthier to stay away.
 

HouCuseChickie

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It's not abnormal for contracts to not be renewed. They changed the law here a few years back and it was meant to protect the worker and give job stability. It actually did the opposite. You used to be able to renew contracts infinitely... Like, a person could be hired for 6 months and then just keep renewing their contracts over and over and work in the same position for years. But that meant that people never had a permanent position with all the benefits, etc... And the company could terminate you easily. They just could refuse to renew the contract and then you had no legal recourse for wrongful termination or anything, because they weren't FIRING you. They could just say they didn't have any work for you anymore. So they changed the law and it now requires the employer to offer you a permanent contract after 3 renewals. So you generally start with a 6 month contract with a 2 month trial period. Any time within that two months, either side can break the contract without notice. After that, they have to wait until the contract runs out to get rid of you, unless you do something awful like steal from the company. But they do have to give you an opportunity to improve if you aren't performing well. They can't just fire you. The idea of the permanent contract after three is that you've proven yourself by that point, so they should have already gotten rid of you if you weren't doing a good job, so they need to give you job security if you've done a good job. The reality is that a lot of employers don't want to have permanent employees, so they renew your contract twice and then tell you they don't have work for you anymore so they never have to offer you the permanent contract. I worked at the same company for 14.5 years and I had a permanent contract for zero hours a week. They didn't have to give me hours and I could block out whatever hours I didn't want to work... I could take 6 weeks of vacation if I wanted because I wasn't obligated to work a certain number of hours and they weren't obligated to schedule me. But they needed people, so I was always scheduled for whatever hours I made available. But I was the only person who had that contract. My third renewal hit just right that THEY HAD to offer me a permanent contract, but I had been working on an on-call basis and they brought in new management who switched the contracts up and got rid of the on-call system. But they couldn't force me to take set hours when I hadn't had that type of contract. They tried really hard to persuade me not to take a permanent contract, but instead to take a three month time out to decide whether or not I could work set hours. But that only benefitted them, because I'd be ineligible to work for three months and when I came back, I'd have to start over at the base wage, so I'd lose all the raises that I had earned, and I'd have to start over with three contract renewals before being given a permanent contract. I said no, I'd just take a zero hour permanent contract. I'm lucky I did, because what they did was just kept people for two renewals and then got rid of them so they could never build up time off, get benefits etc. And that's what companies do now. Wages are age- based per sector. A 16 year old only gets a couple euros per hour. A 17 year old a bit more, and so on, up until age 21, after which the minimum wage is the same within that type of job. So what companies do is hire 16 year olds, then renew their contracts for a year or whatever, and then when they get too expensive, they just don't renew the contract and they hire another 16 year old. If you are over 21, it's difficult to find a job that requires no special training/schooling, because employers don't want to pay more than absolutely necessary, and if a 16 year old only gets paid 1/3 of what I do, they can hire three 16 year olds OR one older person. The advantage older people have is that they don't have school, so they can work hours that a kid can't. But the system is set up to discriminate. This is my third job in a year and a half. The company I worked for so long sold out to a bigger company which then moved all operations to a different city over two hours away. They did it slowly so that hours were reduced drastically and people just couldn't afford to keep working there because they didn't get enough hours. Then they just closed the location and paid the few permanent workers left a severance. I had to quit a couple of months before they closed down because they were only giving me 4 hours a week and then they announced that they were scrapping the evening shift. We only have one car, which my husband takes to work during the day, so I couldn't work until evening. So I had to go. My first job after that, they only trained me to work the register, then used the fact that I only knew how to do the register as an excuse not to renew my contract. They had never placed me anywhere but at the register and I was told that's why I was there because most people don't like doing register and I said I enjoy it. But they didn't renew because I hadn't learned anything outside of that. The next job was at a toy store, and there was an incident just before I was hired. Anyone who worked the day of said incident did not get their contract renewed. That didn't affect me, but the company was owned by a retail group that owned several chains, several of which went belly up and one of which was struggling. They decided to sell the toy store chain to try to save the struggling chain. But in order to sell it, they had to get rid of the massive debt they had, and to make it look better, so they were closing a bunch of branches, cutting down on employees, etc.. So my job there was uncertain. Being over 21, I was way more expensive than they wanted. They got rid of the manager and told her they weren't going to renew contracts for anyone over 21. I actually heard HR say that. So I knew I wasn't going to get a new contract and I started looking for a new job right away. And I landed at THIS job, where they assured me that they desperately needed a good team who was reliable and would stick around. They've given me literally no other points I need to work on. I'm reliable, flexible, customer friendly, good with the register... My till is always correct. By all accounts, I'm good at what I do, just too much of a perfectionist to go as fast as they'd like, which I've worked on and I know I've improved. There should be no reason to get rid of someone because there's ONE thing they are less good at. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. I'm better at register than anyone else. So my strengths should be enough to compensate for the one weakness. But I think they like the new gal better, and she's only temporary to full in until Chantal is better and comes back, which we have no idea when that will be. But, I've already had a contract renewal once. They can only renew one more time before they have to offer a permanent one. If Chantal comes back before that, new woman has to go... Unless they get rid of ME so they can keep her on. But if they are going to get rid of me, it has to be when this contract ends or they will be obligated to offer me a permanent contract and they won't be able to keep the new hire anymore. So I think that's what this is...my contract is 20 hours. Chantal is 24, so the new hire has 24 because she's there to replace Chantal UNTIL Chantal comes back. But if they get rid of me, they also have more hours they can schedule. They weren't allowed to give me more than 20. They wanted two people for 24 hours, but regional said no. So Ramona got 24, I got 20. Then Chantal stepped down from assist. Manager and went to 24 hours and Ramona stepped up and went to 28, and I'm at 20, but working much more. By getting rid of me, they can keep the new hire at 24 and when Chantal comes back, she's at 24, so then they've got what they originally wanted. I haven't actually started looking yet because I want to see how the meeting goes in the week of December 2nd. I've only worked one day since the meeting where they said I have to improve, and Ramona said I did a good job that day. (I also did nothing different that day, so the idea that I'm usually too slow is bogus.) I only have two more shifts before the next meeting, one of which neither of them will be there to see how well I do. So they can't realistically judge how much I've improved. But by waiting until that meeting, I'll be able to tell more what the intention is. The one day I've worked, I did a good job. I "improved". I only have one more day to show them. If they try to pull the "unfortunately we don't see enough improvement" I'll know they are just trying to get rid of me and I'll start looking for something else. And I have enough time off built up that technically, I can give them my notice right away and not work another hour. I only have to give a month's notice and I have two months of time built up. So if they try to play dirty, I can play just as dirty and then they won't have me for the Christmas season and the manager won't get to take her vacation again because there won't be anyone to cover. I hate being petty like that, but I won't let them take advantage of me and then cast me out when they don't need me anymore.

It definitely seems like this whole contract revising under law benefits the employers and gives them incentive to hire younger and cycle through the cheaper labor vs. doing a longer-term renewal for someone a bit older and better skilled. I can see where you're coming from though and how it looks like they could be playing games with the way the system works, who they have in the mix and everyone's specific terms/hours. No reason to play nice if they're being deceptive and dishonest. I also don't understand dinging you for not being skilled in other things when you haven't been trained in other things. Is it at all like the US where they're looking for you to ask to train more to take on more responsibility? Or is it more of a do your job and they'll come to you if they want you to do more? Either way, I guess you're at their mercy. UGH. I guess you'll get a better gauge on things soon. Still, I'm sure the wait is nerve-racking. Good luck! Whatever the outcome, I hope it's what's best for you and your family.
 

Songbird76

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To be perfectly honest, I don’t even fully understand his relationship to all of these kids. I know MIL went to court to get legal custody of the two youngest, because we’re pretty certain he’s not their biological dad. Like I think he got into a relationship with their biological mom, who already had custody issues because of her own criminal behavior/dangerous activities/neglect and they were likely to become wards of the state and wind up in a foster home. I believe that the older ones specifically tied to the mom were just old enough to be emancipated but still spent some time with MIL on and off. One of those older ones and one of the younger ones were both recipients of houses from MIL. Not small homes in lesser places either. I’m not sure where the two eldest sons (closer to DH in age) came from. They “may” actually be biologically MILs second husband's kids. I swear, it’s like an episode of a bad daytime talk show! They had such poor home situations that I’ve never once heard any of them having issues with having MIL in the mix. She was the closest thing to normalcy and care that they’d ever experienced and she was a pushover for them (unlike her biological kids). That’s not saying they didn’t get way out of hand…just that she was an improvement from their biological mother. I wouldn't even call it rebellion because it was simply that any rules were irrelevant and not enforced by any of the adults in the mix. Hence why they really liked being with MIL and why they still feed off of her to this day.

As for her second husband, he’s complicated and I’ve stopped trying to understand. He was working as an IT designer when I started dating DH. By the time they moved for the kids, he left the workforce. I think it was initially to be a stay at home dad to monitor the kids, but I think he got sidetracked in his projects and generally preferred doing nothing productive while having her paying the bills. The older of the two youngest got pregnant at 15 and dropped out, so it was like he had a buddy. She thought it would be easier to be a single mom than finish high school, and I guess it is when nobody makes you pay your way. The younger one had some psychological issues, would often run away or end up in some kind of detention facility. I think he fathered his first kid when he was 16, but the mother already had a significant other, so the one time I saw them all together, it was three parents in the mix. He and a couple of them moved to the northwest and he stayed up there. Still, I believe MIL still sends him and the baby-mama money on a regular basis.

Like you said...she's 80 and it's highly unlikely that she'll change. She's chosen the step kids and some off the deep end crazy stuff, and it's just happier and healthier to stay away.
How can she afford all these houses?? We can barely afford one with an engineer's salary and a part timer in retail. And it's a small house in a low income neighborhood!
 

Songbird76

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It definitely seems like this whole contract revising under law benefits the employers and gives them incentive to hire younger and cycle through the cheaper labor vs. doing a longer-term renewal for someone a bit older and better skilled. I can see where you're coming from though and how it looks like they could be playing games with the way the system works, who they have in the mix and everyone's specific terms/hours. No reason to play nice if they're being deceptive and dishonest. I also don't understand dinging you for not being skilled in other things when you haven't been trained in other things. Is it at all like the US where they're looking for you to ask to train more to take on more responsibility? Or is it more of a do your job and they'll come to you if they want you to do more? Either way, I guess you're at their mercy. UGH. I guess you'll get a better gauge on things soon. Still, I'm sure the wait is nerve-racking. Good luck! Whatever the outcome, I hope it's what's best for you and your family.
Oh, they know I want to learn more. I was literally told it would have to wait because Ramona needed to be trained first. And just a few weeks ago, she said she was going to schedule me on a particular day because we get the shipment that day and she can finally teach me how to do all that. So it's not that they are waiting for ME. They purposely didn't train me in everything because they didn't have enough time to train two people, and it was more important for the assistant manager to know it than for me, so she was priority. Fine, I get it, but then you can't really blame me for not knowing how to do it or for being slow. It's not like I've gotten much practice. How would I have built up my skills?
 

HouCuseChickie

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How can she afford all these houses?? We can barely afford one with an engineer's salary and a part timer in retail. And it's a small house in a low income neighborhood!

From what I've been able to gather, she did pretty well but lived quite frugally. I know DH said she retired REALLY well. As tight as things were when he was growing up, the reality is that MIL was a computer engineer and his dad was an extremely successful engineer in oil and gas industry who did cover his share of child support.

While we hate seeing her hoodwinked by husband 2, the step kids/step grand kids, and her church, the double standards and favoritism are really what bothers us the most. She buys these deadbeats houses, pays nearly all of their bills, and has pretty much raised their children (and covered the costs for them...from extracurriculars, birthday parties, social activities, school supplies, clothing, medical, food, etc.) because they are too irresponsible (not that she's much better these days). She doesn't do the same for her biological kids and grandkids. Not that we normally need her to cover expenses, but she is different when it comes to DH and his brother. When things got tough for us during the Great Recession in 2008/2009, she gave DH a loan. She had strict terms and hounded me every 3-4 days about paying her back in time. Just for perspective...it took me less than 2 weeks to get the funds to pay her back, which was before she wanted to start charging us interest. We tried involving her more in our lives, but I shared how her home is an unsafe environment, and she rarely wanted to come to us. It's also rare for her to give our kids any gifts these days. Trashy step SILs oldest daughter graduated from high school at the same time as Kendall. K is actually 1.5 years younger, but step SIL withdrew her kids from school for a while and pretended to homeschool when she was too tired and hungover/drugged up to keep taking them to school. In any event, MIL covered all kinds of graduation/senior year stuff for this kid (party, outfits, prom, etc.), but she didn't even get Kendall a graduation present. I hope it doesn't sound like sour grapes, but it's just one more angle of "why bother?"
 

HouCuseChickie

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Oh, they know I want to learn more. I was literally told it would have to wait because Ramona needed to be trained first. And just a few weeks ago, she said she was going to schedule me on a particular day because we get the shipment that day and she can finally teach me how to do all that. So it's not that they are waiting for ME. They purposely didn't train me in everything because they didn't have enough time to train two people, and it was more important for the assistant manager to know it than for me, so she was priority. Fine, I get it, but then you can't really blame me for not knowing how to do it or for being slow. It's not like I've gotten much practice. How would I have built up my skills?

So, they're basically setting you up. It's really discouraging when you can see the writing on the wall like this.
 

Songbird76

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From what I've been able to gather, she did pretty well but lived quite frugally. I know DH said she retired REALLY well. As tight as things were when he was growing up, the reality is that MIL was a computer engineer and his dad was an extremely successful engineer in oil and gas industry who did cover his share of child support.

While we hate seeing her hoodwinked by husband 2, the step kids/step grand kids, and her church, the double standards and favoritism are really what bothers us the most. She buys these deadbeats houses, pays nearly all of their bills, and has pretty much raised their children (and covered the costs for them...from extracurriculars, birthday parties, social activities, school supplies, clothing, medical, food, etc.) because they are too irresponsible (not that she's much better these days). She doesn't do the same for her biological kids and grandkids. Not that we normally need her to cover expenses, but she is different when it comes to DH and his brother. When things got tough for us during the Great Recession in 2008/2009, she gave DH a loan. She had strict terms and hounded me every 3-4 days about paying her back in time. Just for perspective...it took me less than 2 weeks to get the funds to pay her back, which was before she wanted to start charging us interest. We tried involving her more in our lives, but I shared how her home is an unsafe environment, and she rarely wanted to come to us. It's also rare for her to give our kids any gifts these days. Trashy step SILs oldest daughter graduated from high school at the same time as Kendall. K is actually 1.5 years younger, but step SIL withdrew her kids from school for a while and pretended to homeschool when she was too tired and hungover/drugged up to keep taking them to school. In any event, MIL covered all kinds of graduation/senior year stuff for this kid (party, outfits, prom, etc.), but she didn't even get Kendall a graduation present. I hope it doesn't sound like sour grapes, but it's just one more angle of "why bother?"
It doesn't sound like sour grapes at all. I have a real problem with double standards and favoritism because of my mom. It's really hard to see someone else getting everything while you don't and you have to wonder what it is you are doing wrong... Why don't they care about me? Will I ever be enough? I'm sorry you are in a tough situation like this. I hope the girls aren't bothered by it too much. It's something in her, not them.
 

Songbird76

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So, they're basically setting you up. It's really discouraging when you can see the writing on the wall like this.
That's certainly how it feels. I'll wait until the meeting in two weeks and we'll see if they show some integrity. I have 164 hours of overtime and vacation built up... I could completely screw them up if I decided to quit and just take all those hours to get me through my one month notice. They'd be up a creek without a paddle because they wouldn't be able to get through the application process and train a new person before Christmas, so the boss wouldn't be able to take her vacation again. And I don't want to have to do that, but if it's either me or them, I'll do what I have to do, I guess.
 

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