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Lilofan

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Yes, a government efficiency program with two leaders, how efficient.

They are looking for people with "super high IQs willing to work 80+ hours a week with zero compensation" to help them cut costs. JMO, but I think he wants to replace workers with contractors.
There is surely not a lot of common sense when it comes to decisions. What is very concerning is the plan to not tax seniors on Social Security. Hooray for seniors but the reality is instead of the predicted 2034 when SS runs out of cash , SS is predicted to run out of cash in 6 years. 😥
 

HouCuseChickie

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It doesn't sound like sour grapes at all. I have a real problem with double standards and favoritism because of my mom. It's really hard to see someone else getting everything while you don't and you have to wonder what it is you are doing wrong... Why don't they care about me? Will I ever be enough? I'm sorry you are in a tough situation like this. I hope the girls aren't bothered by it too much. It's something in her, not them.

Thank you! I have all kinds of theories, but it's just not worth devoting energy to any of it. It's just a long justification of the various reasons why we have pretty much given up. The girls are fine with it. As you can see, it's been bad since they were very young and know we've reinforced the divide to protect them as well as educate them on "what you don't want to be when you grow up."
 

HouCuseChickie

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It doesn't sound like sour grapes at all, family dynamics can be difficult. My grandmother (my dad's mother) clearly favored our cousins. One year she showed my sister and I the lavish presents she bought to send to our cousins in Wyoming and then proceeded to give us generic crayons and Woody Woodpecker coloring books. My sister was five years older than me and had moved on from coloring books and neither of us like Woody Woodpecker that much. It hurt us and as kids we didn't understand what we had done, but my grandmother hated my mother, so it was really her retaliation at her not necessarily us but as kids we didn't know. My grandmother was a very petty person which I realized as an adult now but it still is hurtful

It's really sad that a grandmother would take it out like that on her own grandchildren. I'm sorry you experienced it. I'm sure it was very hurtful. The gift thing alone is just cruel. It's one thing to give a lesser gift, but to show children what they won't be getting and proceed to hand them inferior gifts is just downright mean. Ugh. I guess now we understand why so many people have "Friendsgiving." Sometimes friends are better than family.
 

HouCuseChickie

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That's certainly how it feels. I'll wait until the meeting in two weeks and we'll see if they show some integrity. I have 164 hours of overtime and vacation built up... I could completely screw them up if I decided to quit and just take all those hours to get me through my one month notice. They'd be up a creek without a paddle because they wouldn't be able to get through the application process and train a new person before Christmas, so the boss wouldn't be able to take her vacation again. And I don't want to have to do that, but if it's either me or them, I'll do what I have to do, I guess.

Do employers "talk?" Like would you get a reputation that could compromise your chances for future jobs if you just walked? I don't know if that's the best option, but it would be interesting if they're already setting you up to go.
 

StarWarsGirl

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My husband has been wanting a new car for a while, so he was thinking of buying one before tariffs take effect. I'm just worried about weathering this if my husband lost his job, so I'm trying to economize. My husband booked a winter getaway for January and only had to put a small deposit down. I said, "Let's wait until after the election to buy tickets to fly down in case we need to be careful with money and cancel." He went ahead and bought them and they are non-refundable. :banghead: We would have gotten our deposit back.

I am sorry about your MIL. I had to stop talking to my mom. This has nothing to do with politics, but just her overall behavior and treatment of others. She ruined every holiday. She would arrive and I could tell within seconds of seeing her face, she was going to detonate at some point. It would make me so anxious, so I would try to lift her mood, make her happy. I was just tip-toeing around her, not enjoying Christmas/Thanksgiving/Easter. She ultimately would blow up at something. It ruined the meal. You can't tell her to stop or to get out, because then SHE'S the victim. I get tired thinking about it. lol She came over for Christmas dinner one time and she was acting really angry with everyone--curt, monosyllabic answers, dirty looks, huffing and puffing. I could feel her anger rising. My husband told her to leave if she was going to be nasty and he was tired of having holidays ruined. She stormed out and my grandmother (her mother) asked my husband if that was necessary. :rolleyes: The final straw for me for not talking to my mom anymore was my mom and my grandmother's last visit here in 2019. My husband and son took my mom to the store or something and my grandmother told me my mother was hitting her. I did ask her if she wanted to move in with us and she said no. I wasn't surprised, since all of her family and friends were in Illinois. She told me not to tell my mom that I knew. I didn't, but I did report her to the local agency on aging and they opened up a file. Her behavior goes beyond holidays, too. There's too much to list and I've already written too much. lol

Anyway, the move to NJ was a blessing in disguise. Now, we have holidays that are chill. We eat when we want to eat, nobody is walking around on egg shells, because we don't have to worry about anyone turning our holiday meals into Hiroshima. It's amazing and I look forward to the holidays now.
Wish my parents would do that with my grandmother.

She decided to stop speaking to me earlier this year after I called her out on her bad behavior. Which her bad behavior was towards my 13 year old cousin. I would 100% do it over again.

But now she's decided to start speaking to me again because she needed something. Which I knew would happen. *sigh*
 

StarWarsGirl

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It's really sad that a grandmother would take it out like that on her own grandchildren. I'm sorry you experienced it. I'm sure it was very hurtful. The gift thing alone is just cruel. It's one thing to give a lesser gift, but to show children what they won't be getting and proceed to hand them inferior gifts is just downright mean. Ugh. I guess now we understand why so many people have "Friendsgiving." Sometimes friends are better than family.
My maternal grandmother decided she didn't want anything to do with me because she didn't like my dad. 🙄 I didn't even meet her until I was 13.

Once, we were at a family get together at my great aunt's. Some neighbors came by. She introduced my two second cousins and then looked at me and said "what's your name again?" My great aunt reemed her out for that one. But my brother was the only grandson, so with him, it was always "you are such a good boy" "you're a wonderful little boy" "I love you so much". 🙄 I was clearly just another granddaughter.

Funniest thing about this is she's since died, and my grandfather has decided my dad is his favorite out of his children's SOs. My grandmother is probably rolling in her grave.
 

ajrwdwgirl

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It's really sad that a grandmother would take it out like that on her own grandchildren. I'm sorry you experienced it. I'm sure it was very hurtful. The gift thing alone is just cruel. It's one thing to give a lesser gift, but to show children what they won't be getting and proceed to hand them inferior gifts is just downright mean. Ugh. I guess now we understand why so many people have "Friendsgiving." Sometimes friends are better than family.

Thanks, yeah, she was not a nice person. Luckily after we told my mom and dad about the gift experience we didn't see them much. I think she really missed out, we were the grandchildren that lived the closest to her and in theory could have had a great relationship. I think that is why it is important to me to have a good relationship with my niece because my childhood experiences with extended family was so bad I want her to have healthy family relationships.
 

Songbird76

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Do employers "talk?" Like would you get a reputation that could compromise your chances for future jobs if you just walked? I don't know if that's the best option, but it would be interesting if they're already setting you up to go.
Probably not here, because our store isn't right in the main shopping center, so we don't really have contact with other stores except the ones right next to us. And my understanding is that bosses are not allowed to tell potential employers why they let someone go or something? But it's not a risk I want to take. In an interview for a job before this one, the interviewer asked me what my previous employer would say about me if he asked.

The latest: months ago, before Chantal had the burnout, I already had a bunch of overhours built up from when they all had vacation and I didn't. So the boss told me I needed to use that time and suggested I put in for a vacation. I said I would check when the kids had fall break from school and maybe take that week if it wasn't the one Chantal had already had in the agenda. But then I found out that E doesn't get a fall break at all, so it was pointless to take time off in October, which became a moot point once Chantal had the burnout because I wouldn't have been able to take time off in October anyway. But then I decided I'd take the week of Thanksgiving, and I wanted to take the first week in December because of A's birthday. The boss said no, December is too busy with the run up to Christmas, and she and Rana both had vacations scheduled in December, and that the week after Christmas would be a good one, because we don't get a shipment that week and January is always slow. So I put in for the week after Christmas, starting on the Friday, because we have the 25th and 26th off anyway. She says no, I can't do a Friday to Friday, I have to do Monday through Sunday. Whatever.

So I have this week off and when I worked on Sunday, she asked me if we were going anywhere, and I said no, the kids both have school, and it's Thanksgiving, so I'm just taking the week for that, but that that week after Christmas, we plan to celebrate my birthday because we can't celebrate ON my birthday. So we had some days planned to go to a zoo, to a museum, etc....and she says "But do you have that week off??" and I was like....uh, yeah....you told me that was the best week for me to take time off. And she's like, "Well that's when Rana has her vacation, and I have to officially approve that vacation." She had just sent the December schedule to us, and I was marked as off on that Monday and Tuesday, so I assumed she had approved the vacation. Now she's saying, no, that's not for sure, because she hasn't officially approved it and with Rana being gone, she may need me for the weekends. Which, I've worked the last 2 shopping sundays AND I'm scheduled for the next one, and I'm scheduled for every Friday evening except one, even though she made a big deal about how we have to take turns so no one gets stuck doing all of them. Basically, she means everyone ELSE gets to take turns and I'm just supposed to do all of them. And then you tell me that I'm not doing my share of the work? So I've made up my mind that I'm going to look around and that if she doesn't approve that week off, I'm just going to hand in my resignation and she can give me that week plus another month and a half off through my one month's notice, and anything else, they can just pay out. I'm so done with this. I'm not quite to the point where I'm ready to hand in my resignation immediately and let her cancel her vacation again because she doesn't have enough people, but if she doesn't approve MY vacation after all this, I will ABSOLUTELY quit and then I'll get almost 2 months off instead of just that week, AND she'll be back in the same position she was in before, where no one can have time off because they don't have enough people. Let her see how accommodating everyone ELSE is about their schedules being changed 4 times a week at the drop of a hat and never getting days off because their hours are spread across so many days that they don't have full DAYS off, only days with fewer hours. Let her find someone else to take all the carp shifts that she doesn't want to do and pick up all the slack so she doesn't have to be inconvenienced or look for a replacement.
 

Sans Souci

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What's funny is that his mom isn't the authoritative type...for the most part. She was a single mom for nearly all of DH's childhood and due to her work schedule, he was sort of a free-range kid. I remember talking to the parents of his childhood best friend and they shared how they'd keep an eye out for him and his biological older brother as there was little to no adult supervision in their lives. The only real rule was at 18, you either were in school or you moved out to fend for yourself. I believe she was even a teacher for a while before shifting into a computer engineering career. She, herself, is very well educated. When she remarried (DH was in college at this point), her new husband had a bunch of kids at varying stages of life. Most of them are deadbeats...school dropouts/criminals- entry level money laundering/check fraud... hard drugs... sexual assaults... major thefts... and a wide array of manipulation scams... physical violence, etc. Those rules that DH and BIL had at 18 no longer existed. Basically, the step kids have never been held to the standards that DH and my BIL had. Biological BIL had enough years ago and just refuses to associate with her. MIL went as far as buying some of the deadbeat step kids their own houses. No jobs...no education...criminals...but let's buy them houses! In fact, she pays for nearly everything! Even the new husband stopped working shortly after they married. Oh, and she pays for the step-kids' children as well. Trashiest of the trashy stepsisters' eldest child has been living with MIL for over 10 years. This all started after the baby daddy of two of his youngest siblings molested his full sister (was also watching adult films with them). The courts pushed him out of the house when it came out that he was also molesting his younger half-sisters. During these last 10 years, he's dropped out of school, started dealing heroin from MILs home while also becoming an addict, participated in a major home burglary ring, defrauded MIL out of thousands while loaning out her account info...like Uber and Lyft, and of course he doesn't work. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. His mom is the trashy stepsister that dropped out of school at 15 because it was easier to get pregnant and have MIL and the government pay for everything (she wound up having 4 kids before they insisted she do something to stop). She'd later go on to things like low level money laundering and check fraud before moving up to conning older men with "adult" favors. She was really proud of that BMW she got a couple of years ago from her most recent con.

This won't be the first year we're skipping the holidays with MIL. We made a return last year because DH felt guilty that she'd turned 80 and we never go. This actually all started when K was an infant. In addition to MIL losing all sense of good and bad, she also became pretty clueless about health. Kendall was just days home from the hospital, including several days in the NICU, when she invited us over and knowingly exposed our newborn to several kids with raging cases of strep. About 2 months later staph was an issue in her home. It was so bad that one of ultra trashy step SIL's kids had to be hospitalized for a bit. MIL didn't think it was a big deal that she was fostering antibiotic resistant staph (this was before she bought that step SIL a house). Our pediatrician advised us to avoid them and their home for at least 6 months after the last confirmed outbreak was gone. So, she missed most of Ks first year of life. When we invited her to K's 1st bday, she had the nerve to bring trashy step SIL and her kids. We all wound up sick a week later. The staph came back at some point, so we had to avoid them again. DH trusted her in the early stages to help save some $ and have them watch Sam, but MIL's husband started becoming pretty nasty and we had to put her in daycare. He was whining about all of the kids and Sam being just one more, yet all of the kids were because he had a band of losers tied to him under the roof. Later on, she nearly killed K a couple of times because of her carelessness with K's food allergies. They actually wanted to spend time with them for once, but also had the deadbeat kids around and were blind about precautions and severity of issues. 2014 was the last time we ever allowed her to watch our kids. She had the audacity to chew me out for explaining to the girls why they weren't allowed to be around their molester step cousin. MIL was concerned about me jeopardizing their relationship with family and learning to fear their "cousins." She went on about not believing he did it. I reminded her that it's pretty uncommon for people, especially children, to lie when sharing that they've been touched inappropriately...and that at least one of us had to have the safety of her biological grandchildren in mind. So, I was going to be a good mom and do what I needed to do to protect my kids.

Before she went off the political deep end and started associating certain candidates with something Messianic in nature, she started private messaging me conspiracy theories about medicine. She wasn't always this way, In fact, she got both doses of the original Covid vaccine and was boosted a couple of times. Then she started sending me things about pulling my kids from our pediatrician and to stop getting them vaccines altogether...not just Covid.

So, when you put it all together...it's no wonder we started intentionally booking holiday vacations that took us away from home on Christmas and Thanksgiving. With Sam's travel ball costs, we can't do that kind of holiday travel anymore, but we still don't want to be anywhere near her and the step spawn. i.e. her political insanity is just a final nail in the separation coffin. Even before DH and I got married and had kids, she was always oddly distant...even though she's local. We tried to involve her more once the girls were born (during times when she wasn't hosting typhoid in her home), but she still favored the step kids and never went out of her way to see us. It wasn't until DH saw the regular interaction with my parents and our kids that he woke up to how caring and devoted family can be...and my parents live over 1000 miles away! Seriously...his mom never reaches out on birthdays and is basically like "whatever" when anyone is sick or hurt. When we mentioned concerns with things with the kids after everything with my cancer, there were crickets. He's still shocked that his mom didn't bother to give Kendall a graduation gift. She lavishes the step kids with everything but nothing for K. They came to her graduation, but MILs husband made it clear they had no desire to attend her celebratory dinner. It wouldn't be the first year that we haven't communicated before a holiday about not going to her house, so I doubt he'll say anything. My luck, she'll ask me...assuming she decides to get the kids Christmas gifts. Not that we'll be able to go to her house. My parents are coming in for Christmas, Sam is in North Carolina the next week, and then we have to take K back to school.

Sorry for the novel.

OK, the first paragraph sounds like that TV show, "The Riches" with all of scamming and criminality.

Why did your MIL have to bring Typhoid Mary with her to see K for her first birthday? That is really inconsiderate of her. I have this imagine of a bunch of kids running around with green snot running out of theirs noses.

Did this change in her begin with her new husband? It sounds like he expected her to prioritize his family over her. My parents divorced when I was 10 and after my father remarried (he never bothered to tell me) he started making noises about the amount of child support he was paying. Then, it was he wanted to get off of the hook out of paying for college, even though the divorce settlement stipulated my mother was going give up receiving his pension in exchange for paying my tuition. My step mother was behind all of it.
 

Sans Souci

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It's not abnormal for contracts to not be renewed. They changed the law here a few years back and it was meant to protect the worker and give job stability. It actually did the opposite. You used to be able to renew contracts infinitely... Like, a person could be hired for 6 months and then just keep renewing their contracts over and over and work in the same position for years. But that meant that people never had a permanent position with all the benefits, etc... And the company could terminate you easily. They just could refuse to renew the contract and then you had no legal recourse for wrongful termination or anything, because they weren't FIRING you. They could just say they didn't have any work for you anymore. So they changed the law and it now requires the employer to offer you a permanent contract after 3 renewals. So you generally start with a 6 month contract with a 2 month trial period. Any time within that two months, either side can break the contract without notice. After that, they have to wait until the contract runs out to get rid of you, unless you do something awful like steal from the company. But they do have to give you an opportunity to improve if you aren't performing well. They can't just fire you. The idea of the permanent contract after three is that you've proven yourself by that point, so they should have already gotten rid of you if you weren't doing a good job, so they need to give you job security if you've done a good job. The reality is that a lot of employers don't want to have permanent employees, so they renew your contract twice and then tell you they don't have work for you anymore so they never have to offer you the permanent contract. I worked at the same company for 14.5 years and I had a permanent contract for zero hours a week. They didn't have to give me hours and I could block out whatever hours I didn't want to work... I could take 6 weeks of vacation if I wanted because I wasn't obligated to work a certain number of hours and they weren't obligated to schedule me. But they needed people, so I was always scheduled for whatever hours I made available. But I was the only person who had that contract. My third renewal hit just right that THEY HAD to offer me a permanent contract, but I had been working on an on-call basis and they brought in new management who switched the contracts up and got rid of the on-call system. But they couldn't force me to take set hours when I hadn't had that type of contract. They tried really hard to persuade me not to take a permanent contract, but instead to take a three month time out to decide whether or not I could work set hours. But that only benefitted them, because I'd be ineligible to work for three months and when I came back, I'd have to start over at the base wage, so I'd lose all the raises that I had earned, and I'd have to start over with three contract renewals before being given a permanent contract. I said no, I'd just take a zero hour permanent contract. I'm lucky I did, because what they did was just kept people for two renewals and then got rid of them so they could never build up time off, get benefits etc. And that's what companies do now. Wages are age- based per sector. A 16 year old only gets a couple euros per hour. A 17 year old a bit more, and so on, up until age 21, after which the minimum wage is the same within that type of job. So what companies do is hire 16 year olds, then renew their contracts for a year or whatever, and then when they get too expensive, they just don't renew the contract and they hire another 16 year old. If you are over 21, it's difficult to find a job that requires no special training/schooling, because employers don't want to pay more than absolutely necessary, and if a 16 year old only gets paid 1/3 of what I do, they can hire three 16 year olds OR one older person. The advantage older people have is that they don't have school, so they can work hours that a kid can't. But the system is set up to discriminate. This is my third job in a year and a half. The company I worked for so long sold out to a bigger company which then moved all operations to a different city over two hours away. They did it slowly so that hours were reduced drastically and people just couldn't afford to keep working there because they didn't get enough hours. Then they just closed the location and paid the few permanent workers left a severance. I had to quit a couple of months before they closed down because they were only giving me 4 hours a week and then they announced that they were scrapping the evening shift. We only have one car, which my husband takes to work during the day, so I couldn't work until evening. So I had to go. My first job after that, they only trained me to work the register, then used the fact that I only knew how to do the register as an excuse not to renew my contract. They had never placed me anywhere but at the register and I was told that's why I was there because most people don't like doing register and I said I enjoy it. But they didn't renew because I hadn't learned anything outside of that. The next job was at a toy store, and there was an incident just before I was hired. Anyone who worked the day of said incident did not get their contract renewed. That didn't affect me, but the company was owned by a retail group that owned several chains, several of which went belly up and one of which was struggling. They decided to sell the toy store chain to try to save the struggling chain. But in order to sell it, they had to get rid of the massive debt they had, and to make it look better, so they were closing a bunch of branches, cutting down on employees, etc.. So my job there was uncertain. Being over 21, I was way more expensive than they wanted. They got rid of the manager and told her they weren't going to renew contracts for anyone over 21. I actually heard HR say that. So I knew I wasn't going to get a new contract and I started looking for a new job right away. And I landed at THIS job, where they assured me that they desperately needed a good team who was reliable and would stick around. They've given me literally no other points I need to work on. I'm reliable, flexible, customer friendly, good with the register... My till is always correct. By all accounts, I'm good at what I do, just too much of a perfectionist to go as fast as they'd like, which I've worked on and I know I've improved. There should be no reason to get rid of someone because there's ONE thing they are less good at. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. I'm better at register than anyone else. So my strengths should be enough to compensate for the one weakness. But I think they like the new gal better, and she's only temporary to full in until Chantal is better and comes back, which we have no idea when that will be. But, I've already had a contract renewal once. They can only renew one more time before they have to offer a permanent one. If Chantal comes back before that, new woman has to go... Unless they get rid of ME so they can keep her on. But if they are going to get rid of me, it has to be when this contract ends or they will be obligated to offer me a permanent contract and they won't be able to keep the new hire anymore. So I think that's what this is...my contract is 20 hours. Chantal is 24, so the new hire has 24 because she's there to replace Chantal UNTIL Chantal comes back. But if they get rid of me, they also have more hours they can schedule. They weren't allowed to give me more than 20. They wanted two people for 24 hours, but regional said no. So Ramona got 24, I got 20. Then Chantal stepped down from assist. Manager and went to 24 hours and Ramona stepped up and went to 28, and I'm at 20, but working much more. By getting rid of me, they can keep the new hire at 24 and when Chantal comes back, she's at 24, so then they've got what they originally wanted. I haven't actually started looking yet because I want to see how the meeting goes in the week of December 2nd. I've only worked one day since the meeting where they said I have to improve, and Ramona said I did a good job that day. (I also did nothing different that day, so the idea that I'm usually too slow is bogus.) I only have two more shifts before the next meeting, one of which neither of them will be there to see how well I do. So they can't realistically judge how much I've improved. But by waiting until that meeting, I'll be able to tell more what the intention is. The one day I've worked, I did a good job. I "improved". I only have one more day to show them. If they try to pull the "unfortunately we don't see enough improvement" I'll know they are just trying to get rid of me and I'll start looking for something else. And I have enough time off built up that technically, I can give them my notice right away and not work another hour. I only have to give a month's notice and I have two months of time built up. So if they try to play dirty, I can play just as dirty and then they won't have me for the Christmas season and the manager won't get to take her vacation again because there won't be anyone to cover. I hate being petty like that, but I won't let them take advantage of me and then cast me out when they don't need me anymore.

Sorry about the entire quote. I am having problems with formatting today. lol


Regarding your last sentence. I would absolutely give notice. If you feel like she is going to bin you once the holidays are over, beat her to punch. Why should you stress yourself out over the next month, only to be let go? Let her cancel her third Christmas vacation. If you do decide to stay on, I would be the laziest heifer, just doing the bare minimum.
 

Sans Souci

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Wish my parents would do that with my grandmother.

She decided to stop speaking to me earlier this year after I called her out on her bad behavior. Which her bad behavior was towards my 13 year old cousin. I would 100% do it over again.

But now she's decided to start speaking to me again because she needed something. Which I knew would happen. *sigh*

She was probably shocked you call her out. You might have been one of few people who called her up on her bad behavior. I've gotten really aggressive about protecting my peace. I'm not distancing myself from people willy-nilly, but if someone is apologizing over and over and not changing their behavior, they have no intention of changing their behavior. They don't want to change and they want you to accept it. That's when I check out.
 

Sans Souci

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Once, we were at a family get together at my great aunt's. Some neighbors came by. She introduced my two second cousins and then looked at me and said "what's your name again?" My great aunt reemed her out for that one. But my brother was the only grandson, so with him, it was always "you are such a good boy" "you're a wonderful little boy" "I love you so much". 🙄 I was clearly just another granddaughter.

WTH?!? That's so messed up! "What's your name again?"
 

Sans Souci

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Hello-

I have been busy. My MIL has been here since Friday and it feels like 6 months. She's not a nasty person at all. She will not get a hearing aid and I am hoarse from shouting. Ofc, because she can't hear very well, the TV is cranked up (even though I put on CC) and it's too much for me. She also likes to talk--a lot. She talks at you, though, so there are no reciprocal conversations happening. I am in my room a lot because the noise is too much. I don't even know when she's leaving and I don't want to ask, because it looks rude. My social battery gets depleted quickly when she is around. lol

I have been working out and walking. I did a kettlebell-bodyweight interval workout this AM.

I'm trying to get Callie to realize she is not trapped in the house. Saturday night, she was sleeping in her little bed and I ran up stairs to put my watch on its charger. My husband was supposed to be watching her for signs of wanting to leave. He got sucked into conversation with my MIL, I came downstairs and Callie was walking around the kitchen, crouched low. I told her she was ok and I will open the door for her. She let out the saddest, little meow I ever heard. I opened the door for her to go and I closed it. Then she sat in front of the door, wanting to come back in. So, I've started being a little less responsive about getting to the door before she does. I'm trying to show her that she only needs to go to the door to be let out. She did that today and meowed to go out. I hoping the "lessons" are sticking.
 

StarWarsGirl

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WTH?!? That's so messed up! "What's your name again?"
My mom and her sister have since come to terms with the fact that my grandmother was abusive to them growing up. I've been encouraging my mother to talk about it in therapy; don't know if she has yet.

My grandmother was an absolutely nasty person. She cut off my mom when my mom was 19. She didn't come to my parents' wedding (my mom was 19 when they got married). Now that I'm 29, I can't imagine my parents cutting me off at all, but let alone at such a young age. My mom's sister went from living with an abusive mother to an abusive first husband, which we didn't find out until years later. My uncle got a girl pregnant and married her to avoid the judgement of his mother, who wasn't particularly religious but still saw it as an unforgivable sin otherwise. His ex was crazy and he divorced her.

One of the second cousins who was with me that day said years later "Your grandfather is so sweet. What was he doing with your grandmother?" That's the million dollar question.

I recognize how lucky I am because my mom is fantastic and I have a super easy relationship with her. My dad is...difficult, but means well at the end of the day.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
I'm trying to get Callie to realize she is not trapped in the house. Saturday night, she was sleeping in her little bed and I ran up stairs to put my watch on its charger. My husband was supposed to be watching her for signs of wanting to leave. He got sucked into conversation with my MIL, I came downstairs and Callie was walking around the kitchen, crouched low. I told her she was ok and I will open the door for her. She let out the saddest, little meow I ever heard. I opened the door for her to go and I closed it. Then she sat in front of the door, wanting to come back in. So, I've started being a little less responsive about getting to the door before she does. I'm trying to show her that she only needs to go to the door to be let out. She did that today and meowed to go out. I hoping the "lessons" are sticking.
This is very typical cat behavior.

I brought my two down to the basement, where my office is, on a day my mom was watching one of the toddlers from her daycare. If the door was open, they were fine and would stay down there. I closed the door at one point for some quiet, though, and they both ended up at the door, like "why is this closed."

They all just want the option of coming and going. They love it when my parents and brother are away and I don't close any doors. They're like "oh, yes, let's join you in the bathroom." But if the door is shut, they're like, in, out, in, out.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
She was probably shocked you call her out. You might have been one of few people who called her up on her bad behavior. I've gotten really aggressive about protecting my peace. I'm not distancing myself from people willy-nilly, but if someone is apologizing over and over and not changing their behavior, they have no intention of changing their behavior. They don't want to change and they want you to accept it. That's when I check out.
I'm definitely one of the few who has called her out. I think my step grandfather used to call her out, but he's been gone for eight years now. Oh, and she does not apologize. Ever.

I was diagnosed with ADHD earlier this year, and since getting that diagnosis, I'm less willing to put up with bad behavior from other people. With that diagnosis came the realization of how I've tried to people please for so long, and how I've masked my ADHD behaviors just to make others more comfortable and I'm just no longer willing to do any of that anymore. It's exhausting. I will no longer be masking my ADHD behaviors if I'm choosing to spend my leisure time with someone, and if they can't be nice, then I will not be tolerating it.

My grandmother is just lucky that the teenager isn't my kid because she would have been yelled at and not been spoken to after that had teenager been my kid (not that I have children, but anyway...)
 

Songbird76

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My mom and her sister have since come to terms with the fact that my grandmother was abusive to them growing up. I've been encouraging my mother to talk about it in therapy; don't know if she has yet.

My grandmother was an absolutely nasty person. She cut off my mom when my mom was 19. She didn't come to my parents' wedding (my mom was 19 when they got married). Now that I'm 29, I can't imagine my parents cutting me off at all, but let alone at such a young age. My mom's sister went from living with an abusive mother to an abusive first husband, which we didn't find out until years later. My uncle got a girl pregnant and married her to avoid the judgement of his mother, who wasn't particularly religious but still saw it as an unforgivable sin otherwise. His ex was crazy and he divorced her.

One of the second cousins who was with me that day said years later "Your grandfather is so sweet. What was he doing with your grandmother?" That's the million dollar question.

I recognize how lucky I am because my mom is fantastic and I have a super easy relationship with her. My dad is...difficult, but means well at the end of the day.
My guess is that your grandfather maybe had low self-esteem and didn't think he could do better. I was engaged for a while to a guy who I was absolutely not in love with. I hadn't even wanted to be in a relationship with him, but he didn't really ask. He told me he didn't like my boyfriend, and that I could do better. I was head over heals for my boyfriend, and to me there WAS no better than him, so I asked "How could I do better than him?" and he said "You could have me". There was nothing I could say that wouldn't have been hurtful....I couldn't say "You aren't better than him." or "I'd rather have him" because HE thought he was better. So I said I was flattered, and I THOUGHT I said I wasn't ready to break up with my boyfriend, but either I didn't, or he ignored it, because suddenly he was saying how happy he was that I was going to be his girlfriend, and maybe nice guys DON'T always finish last like he used to think, and that all that was left was for me to officially break up with my boyfriend. I was so confused, because I had not ever said I would be his girlfriend, but I didn't want to hurt his feelings, and so I just went with it. Then he did the same thing with the engagement...I was looking at his class ring, and he told me to wear it. I tried to politely decline, telling him it was too big, I didn't want to lose it. So he told me to put it on the chain of the necklace I wore every day. He wanted everyone to see that I was his! I couldn't think of a nice way to say no, and I figured there was no harm in wearing a necklace with his class ring. Then he says "That's a promise for a ring to come!" AFTER I had already put it on. I was nervous about it, but I couldn't just take it off and hand it back and say "OH NO! Not going there!" and he hadn't actually asked me to marry him. He just promised someday he WOULD. I figured he'd either figure out for himself that we weren't right for each other, or we'd break up before it got to that point, and I could always say no. But suddenly he's saying he's so happy we're engaged, and he can't believe it, he never thought he'd be so lucky as to be engaged to me. This all happened within like...2 months. And basically, it was all because I had no self-esteem. I didn't know how to say no, I thought I didn't deserve anyone better, and didn't deserve to be happy. Then when my mom told me I wasn't ALLOWED to be engaged, because she hadn't given me permission (I was 19, in college on my own money, and I lived 200 miles away from her....I didn't NEED her permission) I felt obligated to take a stand against my mom. So even though I didn't want to be engaged to him and wanted a decent reason to give him for why I was calling off the engagement, "My mommy won't let me" wasn't going to cut it. I had to take a stand to one of them....either I call it off and have my mom think she could control me and call all the shots in my life, or I had to stand up to mom and show her that I was a legal adult who had the right to make her own decisions, but then he would think I was excited about being engaged. I wish I had had the courage to tell him back when he said he didn't like my boyfriend that that was just too bad, because I wasn't breaking up with him. But I was terrified of hurting someone's feelings and I tended to sacrifice my own happiness for others' because it was expected when I was growing up. I was always the one who had to give in. If your grandfather thought no one else would want him, and he wanted to have a family....if he thought your grandmother was the only way he was going to have that, he may have made a desperate decision. I was lucky...I came to my senses before I married him and I called it off. But it took me nearly 4 years and a lot of emotional abuse/control before I got to that point.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
My guess is that your grandfather maybe had low self-esteem and didn't think he could do better. I was engaged for a while to a guy who I was absolutely not in love with. I hadn't even wanted to be in a relationship with him, but he didn't really ask. He told me he didn't like my boyfriend, and that I could do better. I was head over heals for my boyfriend, and to me there WAS no better than him, so I asked "How could I do better than him?" and he said "You could have me". There was nothing I could say that wouldn't have been hurtful....I couldn't say "You aren't better than him." or "I'd rather have him" because HE thought he was better. So I said I was flattered, and I THOUGHT I said I wasn't ready to break up with my boyfriend, but either I didn't, or he ignored it, because suddenly he was saying how happy he was that I was going to be his girlfriend, and maybe nice guys DON'T always finish last like he used to think, and that all that was left was for me to officially break up with my boyfriend. I was so confused, because I had not ever said I would be his girlfriend, but I didn't want to hurt his feelings, and so I just went with it. Then he did the same thing with the engagement...I was looking at his class ring, and he told me to wear it. I tried to politely decline, telling him it was too big, I didn't want to lose it. So he told me to put it on the chain of the necklace I wore every day. He wanted everyone to see that I was his! I couldn't think of a nice way to say no, and I figured there was no harm in wearing a necklace with his class ring. Then he says "That's a promise for a ring to come!" AFTER I had already put it on. I was nervous about it, but I couldn't just take it off and hand it back and say "OH NO! Not going there!" and he hadn't actually asked me to marry him. He just promised someday he WOULD. I figured he'd either figure out for himself that we weren't right for each other, or we'd break up before it got to that point, and I could always say no. But suddenly he's saying he's so happy we're engaged, and he can't believe it, he never thought he'd be so lucky as to be engaged to me. This all happened within like...2 months. And basically, it was all because I had no self-esteem. I didn't know how to say no, I thought I didn't deserve anyone better, and didn't deserve to be happy. Then when my mom told me I wasn't ALLOWED to be engaged, because she hadn't given me permission (I was 19, in college on my own money, and I lived 200 miles away from her....I didn't NEED her permission) I felt obligated to take a stand against my mom. So even though I didn't want to be engaged to him and wanted a decent reason to give him for why I was calling off the engagement, "My mommy won't let me" wasn't going to cut it. I had to take a stand to one of them....either I call it off and have my mom think she could control me and call all the shots in my life, or I had to stand up to mom and show her that I was a legal adult who had the right to make her own decisions, but then he would think I was excited about being engaged. I wish I had had the courage to tell him back when he said he didn't like my boyfriend that that was just too bad, because I wasn't breaking up with him. But I was terrified of hurting someone's feelings and I tended to sacrifice my own happiness for others' because it was expected when I was growing up. I was always the one who had to give in. If your grandfather thought no one else would want him, and he wanted to have a family....if he thought your grandmother was the only way he was going to have that, he may have made a desperate decision. I was lucky...I came to my senses before I married him and I called it off. But it took me nearly 4 years and a lot of emotional abuse/control before I got to that point.
I honestly don't know him well enough to say whether or not this was the case. My thought is he loved her a lot and was blind to the damage she caused.

My grandparents all knew each other in the 50s. My paternal grandmother is not the most reliable narrator, but based on what she's told me, he was pretty immature.

I also know from my great aunt that they broke up for a while... because he dated said great aunt for a while, and then got back with my grandmother.

He didn't really have a family. He was an only child, and his mother died in childbirth. He was raised by his grandparents. My grandmother's parents had a super solid marriage. My grandmother had four sisters. I think that appealed to him.

I know from another great aunt that there were things that he wouldn't have allowed had her known about it. For instance, my grandmother used to use a yardstick to spank her kids. She only did it when my grandfather was at work. Aunt pointed out that he wouldn't have allowed it had he been home.

I also think my grandmother was a master manipulator. I think she became who she wanted to different people. My cousins remember her fondly and don't have the crap memories about her that I do. I think my grandfather was blinded by love and didn't see how damaging it was until after she was gone.

That's my theory anyway. I think he's happy that he has his children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren, but I think he has a lottttt of regrets.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
So paternal grandmother decided to behave normally. 🙄

I figured this would happen, that she'd decide she needed something and then act like nothing happened. I wonder if SC aunt has been working on her, though.
 

HouCuseChickie

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My maternal grandmother decided she didn't want anything to do with me because she didn't like my dad. 🙄 I didn't even meet her until I was 13.

Once, we were at a family get together at my great aunt's. Some neighbors came by. She introduced my two second cousins and then looked at me and said "what's your name again?" My great aunt reemed her out for that one. But my brother was the only grandson, so with him, it was always "you are such a good boy" "you're a wonderful little boy" "I love you so much". 🙄 I was clearly just another granddaughter.

Funniest thing about this is she's since died, and my grandfather has decided my dad is his favorite out of his children's SOs. My grandmother is probably rolling in her grave.

That's awful! Seriously...the "what's your name again?" is a heartbreaker. I don't love the ideas of favorites, in general, but at least your grandfather was able to use her passing to rekindle a relationship with your dad.
 

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