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StarWarsGirl

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I will say our school definitely had us covered with food of all kinds in a wide variety of places. The freshman 15 was more like the freshman 50. Even after moving out of student housing and into my sorority house, we had tons of food that was covered by our dues. We may have also had resources I didn't know about. We were private and they certainly charged enough, but we are also classified as a large private (current undergrad is around 15k students)...so it was common to miss out and find out about things after the fact. It was early 1990s, so just having online information with resources wasn't even a thing. You often found out about things by word of mouth or by luck if something good wasn't buried in a stack of papers or things stuck to bulletin boards. My advisor was a joke, so no way he would have known about anything helpful. I know we had free printing, but I remember a friend having to sneak me into the journalism computer lab to get access to better software and printing. Although, the class I used it for wanted the project put into booklets, so I still wound up paying for that.
Yeah, we were small private. Online definitely helps. We had a class FB group, so stuff would get posted on there and you'd find out. Thankfully thanks to all the campus walking, I didn't gain the freshman 15.
 

HouCuseChickie

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Wow, that sounds like a really really nice school!! We didn't have a pool, though Gillette did, so there were a couple of kids who went to school in Gillette so they could be on the swim team. One boy a few years younger than me was an olympic hopeful. He was really close to making it one year....I think he just barely missed at trials, but then he got into an accident while skiing and is wheelchair bound. But we had our football field in the middle of the track that they ripped out, and a gym. We didn't have tennis, soccer, swimming, softball/baseball or any theaters or anything. I doubt our school would have looked good to schools like Harvard. Cornell called my brother to talk to him about coming there, because he had a 33 on his ACT, but that's the only one of the big names, and they wouldn't do much for him with scholarships, so he went in state where he got a full ride. My ex boyfriend got a 35 on his ACT....the only section he never got a perfect score on was Math, and he got a 35 on that. He was the top ranked student in the state the year we graduated, and even he was never recruited by Harvard or Yale or anything. We just don't have the schools to compete with some of these schools that are designed specifically to prepare the kids for the best colleges.

This was our football field/track. You can see the track behind us has bald patches where the gravel has been brushed away, exposing the dirt underneath. (That's me, far far left, not completely in the picture)
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Texas is seeing a huge amount of growth. Consequently, many mega schools are being built all over to accommodate all of the kids that are part of this growth. Still, some areas are just known for having better schools and it's part of why we moved. The schools in our old area were new and had all kinds of nice things, but academically...they were billed as just average. The schools in our current town are some of the best in the area. It meant having to settle a bit on a home, but we can move to something outside of this highly desirable zoning after both kids graduate. There are better schools in the overall metro area that are tied into Houston's school district. We are not part of Houston's district even though we're annexed to Houston and part of that county. So, I could try to get the kids into one of those premier public schools BUT they are in the center of the city, it would involve a 60-90 minute drive each way (depending on traffic) and no bussing would be available to us. So, it made no sense to push for one of those. Funny that your brought up Cornell...the girl who was told by Harvard and University of Chicago that her high school probably wasn't good enough for them wound up getting a full ride scholarship to Cornell. They bent over backwards for her. I believe Bryn Mawr did the same, but Cornell wound up winning out. The funny thing, her safety school was University of Texas (still an excellent school) and they didn't offer her a dime. I get it...public school and all...but full scholarship to an Ivy League school vs. paying full in-state price for UT. She did have to adapt to real winter in Ithaca, NY, but totally worth it.
 

HouCuseChickie

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This reminds me of this woman my husband used to work with at this one bank. She couldn't afford to live in an adjacent town that had a top notch HS, but she had a friend who did. So, her friend let her use her address so her son could attend this HS. It was all very dodgy.

I remember this being a big issue when I was growing up. Since school districts were by town in our area of NJ, people would pull all kinds of stuff to try and get their kids into our schools without paying our taxes. It's a bit different here since districts are larger. I have the right to apply to have my kids moved to any school in our district as long as our address and proof of residency show we live in said district. There's no guarantee I'll be approved, but the closer you are to the school you want, the more likely you are to get approval. With the annexation of our town to Houston and our county change a couple of decades ago, we also have rights to try and get our kids in the Houston ISD schools, but the top ones in the middle of the city are just too far.
 

HouCuseChickie

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Yeah, we were small private. Online definitely helps. We had a class FB group, so stuff would get posted on there and you'd find out. Thankfully thanks to all the campus walking, I didn't gain the freshman 15.

They didn't even provide student email addresses until the year after I graduated. I had access to computer labs, but my old Brother word processor was enough to get me through 4 years. Our campus was a lot of hills and some really intense walking, not to mention the extreme winter weather, but the food options were just so sinful that nearly everyone put on weight. I think it was my sophomore year when Good Morning America or the Today Show came to showcase colleges with amazing dining hall and student food options. Going out drinking probably also didn't help with the waistline :oops:
 

Songbird76

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Texas is seeing a huge amount of growth. Consequently, many mega schools are being built all over to accommodate all of the kids that are part of this growth. Still, some areas are just known for having better schools and it's part of why we moved. The schools in our old area were new and had all kinds of nice things, but academically...they were billed as just average. The schools in our current town are some of the best in the area. It meant having to settle a bit on a home, but we can move to something outside of this highly desirable zoning after both kids graduate. There are better schools in the overall metro area that are tied into Houston's school district. We are not part of Houston's district even though we're annexed to Houston and part of that county. So, I could try to get the kids into one of those premier public schools BUT they are in the center of the city, it would involve a 60-90 minute drive each way (depending on traffic) and no bussing would be available to us. So, it made no sense to push for one of those. Funny that your brought up Cornell...the girl who was told by Harvard and University of Chicago that her high school probably wasn't good enough for them wound up getting a full ride scholarship to Cornell. They bent over backwards for her. I believe Bryn Mawr did the same, but Cornell wound up winning out. The funny thing, her safety school was University of Texas (still an excellent school) and they didn't offer her a dime. I get it...public school and all...but full scholarship to an Ivy League school vs. paying full in-state price for UT. She did have to adapt to real winter in Ithaca, NY, but totally worth it.
Maybe Cornell is more accessible and it certainly sounds like they are more reasonable with their expectations. I honestly don't think Harvard, or Yale, or any of those super expensive and "Prestigious" schools are worth the price to go there. They may be slightly better than average, but really you are paying for the brand. It's not exponentially better than some other 4 year institution. It's all hype. But it's kind of sad that a girl who was at the top of her class didn't stand a chance with them just because it wasn't some big name high school. Don't they look at test scores and things? Like I said, my ex was super intelligent and had a near perfect score on the ACT. You'd think that would be plenty to tell one of those schools that they should be looking in his direction. But Wyoming is not known for its academic excellence...we have such a small population, they just don't look twice at anyone from there. It's actually kind of discriminatory to tell someone they don't stand a chance because they don't go to the right school. Honest, but discriminatory.
 

Songbird76

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I remember this being a big issue when I was growing up. Since school districts were by town in our area of NJ, people would pull all kinds of stuff to try and get their kids into our schools without paying our taxes. It's a bit different here since districts are larger. I have the right to apply to have my kids moved to any school in our district as long as our address and proof of residency show we live in said district. There's no guarantee I'll be approved, but the closer you are to the school you want, the more likely you are to get approval. With the annexation of our town to Houston and our county change a couple of decades ago, we also have rights to try and get our kids in the Houston ISD schools, but the top ones in the middle of the city are just too far.
And this is why we have problems in the US with people bribing officials and recruiters and such to get their kids into good schools. They've monetized it so that kids who actually DESERVE to go to the good schools don't stand a chance if they can't afford to bribe someone to let them in. You get a bunch of celebrities' kids and other wealthy people's kids who really aren't academically on par, but get in because they know someone on this committee who will pull some strings for a price. It starts already in preschool! I found it rather ironic rewatching Full House when it came out on Netflix, and then Lori Laughlan getting in trouble for lying about her kids' skills to get them into school. There was an episode of full house in which Becky and Jesse are trying to get their twins into some prestigious preschool and lie on their application about all the things their kids can do, like that they are proficient on the bassoon. Makes me wonder if that's where she got the idea?
 

Songbird76

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I'm so sick of not working out that I'm cleaning. I have all this pent up energy I need to get out. My mom is thrilled.
You can come clean my house next!

Awful weather today. I had to ride my bike to the other side of town in the rain to get E some school supplies she needs for tomorrow. They have this culture program they have to do, and there's a workshop tomorrow and they sent an email yesterday afternoon to say the kids need a 23 ring binder. (why does it HAVE to be a 23 ring binder? Wouldn't a 2 or 3 ring binder work just as well??) And of course stores are only open until 5. So to get one for Thursday morning, I HAD to get it today because it was too late yesterday by the time they sent the email. On the up-side, I made it home before the complete downpour. E got hit right as she was coming home with one of the really heavy downpours including hail. She was SOAKED, and her school is only a 2-3 minute bike ride. She got home, changed into her PJs, and then it was pretty much constant thunder. I'm glad she made it home before it started lightning!! Downpour and hail is bad enough.
 

HouCuseChickie

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Maybe Cornell is more accessible and it certainly sounds like they are more reasonable with their expectations. I honestly don't think Harvard, or Yale, or any of those super expensive and "Prestigious" schools are worth the price to go there. They may be slightly better than average, but really you are paying for the brand. It's not exponentially better than some other 4 year institution. It's all hype. But it's kind of sad that a girl who was at the top of her class didn't stand a chance with them just because it wasn't some big name high school. Don't they look at test scores and things? Like I said, my ex was super intelligent and had a near perfect score on the ACT. You'd think that would be plenty to tell one of those schools that they should be looking in his direction. But Wyoming is not known for its academic excellence...we have such a small population, they just don't look twice at anyone from there. It's actually kind of discriminatory to tell someone they don't stand a chance because they don't go to the right school. Honest, but discriminatory.

I would generally agree with all of this. I'm sure some of the sentiment comes from how US News ranks these schools each year. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities It's a status thing in so many cases. That's not to say these all aren't good schools, but the whole status thing has gotten so out of hand. All in all, I think a lot of it is a $ game and any big school knows it and plays it to their full advantage. As much as I enjoyed the social aspects of my university, I don't feel my degree was worth the insane price tag. Just thinking that my college degree would cost at least $250K today makes me sick to my stomach. I've heard similar statements from people who went to schools at all different levels of selectivity and prestige...like they could have just as easily been doing the job they're doing now at a lesser known school or something with a more reasonable price tag. I used to work with a guy who started at Carnegie Mellon, couldn't stomach the price and moved back home to go to Rice to at least save money on room/board. He was doing the same job I was doing with that degree, and he was so deeply in debt, he couldn't afford the dental care he so desperately needed. At the end of the day, while I get that there's a need to have schools that fit different kinds of people, the whole prestige game and related cost shows that this system is broken.

I would also strongly agree that there's a huge discriminatory element in admissions. Granted, I know not all public schools in this country are created equally and many kids never get the resources others get, simply based on zip code. Sure, things like redistricting and bussing has been done, but there is still an awful lot of inequality in the system today. I know the lack of scholarship from UT for that one girl factors into the state being obligated to admit kids that have the scores and grades that tick all of the necessary boxes, but you'd think they'd still want to do more to attract really bright in-state people. Still, I saw it where I grew up too. 94% of my graduating class went to a 4-year college or university, the top 20% of my class went to top tier schools on that US News list, and our annual college nights were full of hundreds of schools begging for our students to apply. Meanwhile, a few towns over, you have none of this because that school doesn't get the same looks and such as ours because for whatever reasons (funding, location, zoning, demographics, etc.) they don't get the looks from colleges.
 

HouCuseChickie

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And this is why we have problems in the US with people bribing officials and recruiters and such to get their kids into good schools. They've monetized it so that kids who actually DESERVE to go to the good schools don't stand a chance if they can't afford to bribe someone to let them in. You get a bunch of celebrities' kids and other wealthy people's kids who really aren't academically on par, but get in because they know someone on this committee who will pull some strings for a price. It starts already in preschool! I found it rather ironic rewatching Full House when it came out on Netflix, and then Lori Laughlan getting in trouble for lying about her kids' skills to get them into school. There was an episode of full house in which Becky and Jesse are trying to get their twins into some prestigious preschool and lie on their application about all the things their kids can do, like that they are proficient on the bassoon. Makes me wonder if that's where she got the idea?

That's interesting how the episode sort of foreshadows what she did with her own children. I do wonder how all of these young starlets get into these highly selective and prestigious schools. Even without parents paying off all kinds of people, like Aunt Becky, how many are getting in because of their fame? I understand that some are genuinely intelligent people, while others have had the benefit of top notch private tutors to get them through their grade school years. Still, it makes me question it, and that's just the famous people. Wealthy people have all sorts of pull, even without this sort of grade, activity and test tampering. People don't like to talk about it, but I'm sure all kinds of rich people have gotten their kids into this school or that school with a sizable donation. Even the whole "do you know who we are?!?!?" approach bothers me.
 

HouCuseChickie

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I was exhausted yesterday, so I decided to add in a skip day...with the personal agreement that I'd try to make up the work. I know that really doesn't do much, but it has a psychological boost for me. This morning, before work, I did a full arm workout...followed by a kettlebell workout...and then doubled up on abs. During lunch, I added 5 miles to my biking and will do the same tomorrow, to make up for the 10 miles from yesterday. I was tempted to just allow myself to keep on doing nothing, but I wasn't giving into the mental game today. I also really need the stress relief the workout brings.

I am kind of looking forward to taking the older one to batting today. Our batting coach asked me to hang out in the car. We love chatting, but he's noticed that K tends to do better when I'm not there. It's the 15 year old version of little K, who puts on an act to get mommy to react. So, maybe I can nap in the car while she bats. I was supposed to go to practice to watch S tonight, but K wants to go to a school football game. Softball practice is until 10pm and is nearly an hour away, so maybe I can just stay home and rest so I can get K when the football game is over. Sounds like a good plan, right?
 

Songbird76

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I would generally agree with all of this. I'm sure some of the sentiment comes from how US News ranks these schools each year. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities It's a status thing in so many cases. That's not to say these all aren't good schools, but the whole status thing has gotten so out of hand. All in all, I think a lot of it is a $ game and any big school knows it and plays it to their full advantage. As much as I enjoyed the social aspects of my university, I don't feel my degree was worth the insane price tag. Just thinking that my college degree would cost at least $250K today makes me sick to my stomach. I've heard similar statements from people who went to schools at all different levels of selectivity and prestige...like they could have just as easily been doing the job they're doing now at a lesser known school or something with a more reasonable price tag. I used to work with a guy who started at Carnegie Mellon, couldn't stomach the price and moved back home to go to Rice to at least save money on room/board. He was doing the same job I was doing with that degree, and he was so deeply in debt, he couldn't afford the dental care he so desperately needed. At the end of the day, while I get that there's a need to have schools that fit different kinds of people, the whole prestige game and related cost shows that this system is broken.

I would also strongly agree that there's a huge discriminatory element in admissions. Granted, I know not all public schools in this country are created equally and many kids never get the resources others get, simply based on zip code. Sure, things like redistricting and bussing has been done, but there is still an awful lot of inequality in the system today. I know the lack of scholarship from UT for that one girl factors into the state being obligated to admit kids that have the scores and grades that tick all of the necessary boxes, but you'd think they'd still want to do more to attract really bright in-state people. Still, I saw it where I grew up too. 94% of my graduating class went to a 4-year college or university, the top 20% of my class went to top tier schools on that US News list, and our annual college nights were full of hundreds of schools begging for our students to apply. Meanwhile, a few towns over, you have none of this because that school doesn't get the same looks and such as ours because for whatever reasons (funding, location, zoning, demographics, etc.) they don't get the looks from colleges.
I think a lot is population. Look at Wyoming. It's the least populated state. There are fewer people in the whole state Wyoming than there are in one city somewhere else. Just based on statistics alone, what are the odds that out of all the graduating seniors in the nation, the top one comes from Wyoming? Just like Olympic teams....it's so competitive. The US always gets WAY more medals than the Netherlands....but the population is also exponentially larger. The pool from which they choose the athletes is larger, and therefore more competitive. With a larger population, you have more of a chance that your athlete is the best. And there are a lot of factors that go into that....like the Jamaican Bobsled team....they aren't known for winter sports. Their opportunities for bobsledding are pretty limited, so there aren't many bobsledders. The US can pick and choose from a huge pool where Jamaica kind of has to take what they can get qualified. And I think that's the thing with the colleges...they have a very very competitive pool to choose from, so they can take or leave whomever they choose. They don't NEED to look in Wyoming, because the chance that someone from that tiny pool has much more potential than someone ranked number one in a well-known school in Texas is slim. They might be just as good as that kid from Texas, but if Harvard doesn't want to have to go to Wyoming to look at one student, they can concentrate on the 100 students in Texas and be done with it. So you've got areas that hold a large number of people living in poverty in a big city in say, New York or California, who have poorly funded schools and their students can't compete. They are left out. Then you have people from smaller populated areas who get overlooked because a recruiter would rather visit a state where they have 500 potential picks than go to a state where they only have maybe 5. It's more cost effective to go where the larger pool is. Your chance is far greater if you live in the "right" place, regardless of your potential. They COULD be missing out on that top person just because that person didn't live in the right place that made them want to take a look. I was lucky...UW HAS to take any student from a Wyoming school as long as they have a certain GPA. And they give scholarships for Tuition and fees to the top 2 students in every high school each year. I got one of those scholarships. They also give out a number of full rides, but that's the top students within the state, not per school. My brother and my ex-boyfriend both got those. But Wyoming has cheaper out-of-state tuition than most In-state tuition rates for other states' schools. We get a lot of people at UW from states like New York, or Hawaai or wherever, just because it was even cheaper than going to a school in their own state with in-state tuition. Wyoming doesn't have a large pool to choose from, so they have to incentivize going there.
 

Songbird76

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That's interesting how the episode sort of foreshadows what she did with her own children. I do wonder how all of these young starlets get into these highly selective and prestigious schools. Even without parents paying off all kinds of people, like Aunt Becky, how many are getting in because of their fame? I understand that some are genuinely intelligent people, while others have had the benefit of top notch private tutors to get them through their grade school years. Still, it makes me question it, and that's just the famous people. Wealthy people have all sorts of pull, even without this sort of grade, activity and test tampering. People don't like to talk about it, but I'm sure all kinds of rich people have gotten their kids into this school or that school with a sizable donation. Even the whole "do you know who we are?!?!?" approach bothers me.
Absolutely....there's a whole documentary about it. Operation Varsity Blues. People will pay huge amounts in order to get their kids into a top school, and a lot of the kids don't deserve to be there at all. It's all because mommy and daddy are wealthy.
 

Songbird76

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I was exhausted yesterday, so I decided to add in a skip day...with the personal agreement that I'd try to make up the work. I know that really doesn't do much, but it has a psychological boost for me. This morning, before work, I did a full arm workout...followed by a kettlebell workout...and then doubled up on abs. During lunch, I added 5 miles to my biking and will do the same tomorrow, to make up for the 10 miles from yesterday. I was tempted to just allow myself to keep on doing nothing, but I wasn't giving into the mental game today. I also really need the stress relief the workout brings.

I am kind of looking forward to taking the older one to batting today. Our batting coach asked me to hang out in the car. We love chatting, but he's noticed that K tends to do better when I'm not there. It's the 15 year old version of little K, who puts on an act to get mommy to react. So, maybe I can nap in the car while she bats. I was supposed to go to practice to watch S tonight, but K wants to go to a school football game. Softball practice is until 10pm and is nearly an hour away, so maybe I can just stay home and rest so I can get K when the football game is over. Sounds like a good plan, right?
Was there a reason you were supposed to watch S at practice? We haven't been allowed to go watch at practices since corona started. We have to drop the kids off and leave. I don't even drop A off anymore. He rides his bike to tennis, which is only about 5 minutes by bike, and it's a back road route. He only has to cross one semi-busy street and the rest is through residential areas or quiet roads. M takes him to chess on Fridays, but he's going to have to ride his bike there next week, and once I get my drivers license, I'll have the car on Friday evenings to go to work, so there won't be anyone to take him, so he has to start going by bike. E doesn't have any activities because she has a full plate with school.
 

HouCuseChickie

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Was there a reason you were supposed to watch S at practice? We haven't been allowed to go watch at practices since corona started. We have to drop the kids off and leave. I don't even drop A off anymore. He rides his bike to tennis, which is only about 5 minutes by bike, and it's a back road route. He only has to cross one semi-busy street and the rest is through residential areas or quiet roads. M takes him to chess on Fridays, but he's going to have to ride his bike there next week, and once I get my drivers license, I'll have the car on Friday evenings to go to work, so there won't be anyone to take him, so he has to start going by bike. E doesn't have any activities because she has a full plate with school.

My husband just suggested I come out. I wasn't able to make the team building activity over the weekend due to work and he's usually the one that attends her practices. We've been allowed to be at practices for over a year now. We didn't usually hang around when it was her old team, simply because we already knew everyone and we lived so close. The new team's practice site is a pretty hefty drive from our house, and a number of parents hang out, so he thought it would be good parent bonding time for me since I missed out over the weekend and we have a couple of travel tournaments coming up. All of K's activities are tied into school. Most colleges over here are heavily swayed by kids being in stuff. All of her school activities are tied to classes with grades, but her three current activities - softball, choir, and this group that's sort of the evolution of debate team (teaches them litigation skills by bringing historical cases into the school courtroom) keep her busy beyond classwork. Right now, she's prepping to go to trial with her first case. She's going to be the lead on the defense for Genghis Khan. We're currently driving the kids everywhere. With the construction going on at S's school (new school being built behind the existing one) and the traffic both would face with either of their schools, it's just so much safer driving them. We're also not supposed to be using the greenbelts after dark, so it's all by car. Case in point, Kendall went to a football game last night...I drove the 1.5 miles there, and her friend's mom drove the 1.5 miles back.
 

HouCuseChickie

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Absolutely....there's a whole documentary about it. Operation Varsity Blues. People will pay huge amounts in order to get their kids into a top school, and a lot of the kids don't deserve to be there at all. It's all because mommy and daddy are wealthy.

We followed the whole thing for a while, but I suspect things like this have been going on for generations...long before any of these entitled idiots made the news.
 

HouCuseChickie

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I think a lot is population. Look at Wyoming. It's the least populated state. There are fewer people in the whole state Wyoming than there are in one city somewhere else. Just based on statistics alone, what are the odds that out of all the graduating seniors in the nation, the top one comes from Wyoming? Just like Olympic teams....it's so competitive. The US always gets WAY more medals than the Netherlands....but the population is also exponentially larger. The pool from which they choose the athletes is larger, and therefore more competitive. With a larger population, you have more of a chance that your athlete is the best. And there are a lot of factors that go into that....like the Jamaican Bobsled team....they aren't known for winter sports. Their opportunities for bobsledding are pretty limited, so there aren't many bobsledders. The US can pick and choose from a huge pool where Jamaica kind of has to take what they can get qualified. And I think that's the thing with the colleges...they have a very very competitive pool to choose from, so they can take or leave whomever they choose. They don't NEED to look in Wyoming, because the chance that someone from that tiny pool has much more potential than someone ranked number one in a well-known school in Texas is slim. They might be just as good as that kid from Texas, but if Harvard doesn't want to have to go to Wyoming to look at one student, they can concentrate on the 100 students in Texas and be done with it. So you've got areas that hold a large number of people living in poverty in a big city in say, New York or California, who have poorly funded schools and their students can't compete. They are left out. Then you have people from smaller populated areas who get overlooked because a recruiter would rather visit a state where they have 500 potential picks than go to a state where they only have maybe 5. It's more cost effective to go where the larger pool is. Your chance is far greater if you live in the "right" place, regardless of your potential. They COULD be missing out on that top person just because that person didn't live in the right place that made them want to take a look. I was lucky...UW HAS to take any student from a Wyoming school as long as they have a certain GPA. And they give scholarships for Tuition and fees to the top 2 students in every high school each year. I got one of those scholarships. They also give out a number of full rides, but that's the top students within the state, not per school. My brother and my ex-boyfriend both got those. But Wyoming has cheaper out-of-state tuition than most In-state tuition rates for other states' schools. We get a lot of people at UW from states like New York, or Hawaai or wherever, just because it was even cheaper than going to a school in their own state with in-state tuition. Wyoming doesn't have a large pool to choose from, so they have to incentivize going there.

All very true. I do think there are some overall preconceived notions involving states as a whole and the optics for those states. Regions of states can also play a role. I'm sure a kid in the Houston or Dallas area may get more looks than someone from Abilene or Amarillo. Nothing wrong with any of these areas, but a smaller city vs. a larger city may register differently for schools. I'm sure my brother faced some of this going to high school in Gainesville, FL, which probably doesn't get as many looks as kids in certain parts of south FL. It's part of why my mom got him into the high school tied to University of Florida. While there were quite a few schools in attendance at Kendall's recent college night, it's nothing like what I experienced at my high school a million years ago. Of course, things have changed, and recruiting isn't the same. So, schools may not be spending as many resources to travel all over the country. I don't know. I have yet to see a school with out of state tuition that was less than another state's in-state...even with Rutgers in NJ...but these things also ebb and flow a bit over time. I just know my parents loved it whenever I took courses at University of Florida to go towards my degree. Granted, this was early 1990s pricing, but UF was $35 per credit hour compared to SU's $435. We have a few more years for S, but when we get serious about looking at schools next year for K, we have to also focus on best ungrad programs for their long term goals. So, we'll just have to see how it goes.
 

Songbird76

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My husband just suggested I come out. I wasn't able to make the team building activity over the weekend due to work and he's usually the one that attends her practices. We've been allowed to be at practices for over a year now. We didn't usually hang around when it was her old team, simply because we already knew everyone and we lived so close. The new team's practice site is a pretty hefty drive from our house, and a number of parents hang out, so he thought it would be good parent bonding time for me since I missed out over the weekend and we have a couple of travel tournaments coming up. All of K's activities are tied into school. Most colleges over here are heavily swayed by kids being in stuff. All of her school activities are tied to classes with grades, but her three current activities - softball, choir, and this group that's sort of the evolution of debate team (teaches them litigation skills by bringing historical cases into the school courtroom) keep her busy beyond classwork. Right now, she's prepping to go to trial with her first case. She's going to be the lead on the defense for Genghis Khan. We're currently driving the kids everywhere. With the construction going on at S's school (new school being built behind the existing one) and the traffic both would face with either of their schools, it's just so much safer driving them. We're also not supposed to be using the greenbelts after dark, so it's all by car. Case in point, Kendall went to a football game last night...I drove the 1.5 miles there, and her friend's mom drove the 1.5 miles back.
They don't really do extra curriculars here in school. There are no athletic teams through the school....it's all club. The only thing at school is theater, which they haven't been able to do for a year and a half. E was so disappointed because you aren't eligible until your 3rd year, which was last year. She's been waiting for it. So she finally was eligible, and then they couldn't do it because of Corona. But E doesn't really have an athletic bone in her whole body. Hopefully they'll be able to theater this year. A has his tennis club and chess club. E is much more academic...she does the "nerdy" things they come up with every once in a while. Last year they had this thing called "Night of the Nerds" which was some workshops about science and technology. She did that....and then later there was a Night of the Nerds Quiz, which was a nation-wide trivia type thing for schools. Her team won. This year, one of her teachers is really campaigning hard for her to do "Track in Learning" which is a series of workshops meant for students who "easily pass" all their classes...most kids struggle a bit and are happy to get a D. E has never had a failing grade and she's pretty sure she's the only one from her original class of 20 kids who never had a failing grade in three years. She has one friend from the other dual immersion class who can say the same. Her LOWEST grade has been the equivalent of a B. She's at the top of her class, so this teacher really wants her to sign up for this program, but she's worried about it. It's a year and a half long and involves missing regular classes to go to these workshops, most of which are in a different town. So she'd have to leave school, ride her bike to the train station, take the train to Winterswijk, have a 4 hour long workshop, then take the train home. She'd miss her lunch hour and right now you still have to wear facemasks in the train, so she couldn't eat on the train, but she'd be late coming home for dinner, she'd have to make up all the classes she missed and any tests she was supposed to take then. It's a pretty big commitment and while she's academically capable of it, she's thinking about how tired she'll be and how stressed trying to make up the work for the classes she missed. But since there are no extra curriculars here, and there's no real college application process, there's not much you get out of such a thing. Colleges don't even look at your transcripts here....if you pass, you get a diploma and as long as you took the required subjects, you can do whatever "major" you want. You pick a school, pick a program, and you sign up for it. That's it. You don't have to be competitive with a bunch of other kids. So this program, while it sounds interesting, doesn't offer her anything extra...it's just extra work to learn more. And in order to sign up, you have to have a discussion with your mentor and the school....counselor I guess, for lack of a better term....it's a person who organizes and is responsible for the requirements. They are the ones who give advice about which classes you should take, make sure requirements are met, grades are sufficient, etc. So you have to meet with this person to review your records and whether you are likely to be able to keep up with the course load. And there's no doubt she qualifies, which is why this one teacher wants her so badly. But she doesn't want her school work to suffer if she does it, and she doesn't want to be a ball of stress. Her one friend who barely passed and only made it through last year because she was allowed to drop the classes she wasn't going to take this year, wants to do this program. I'm pretty sure she won't make it through the meeting with the "counselor". She won't get approved. But that's pretty much the extent of E's extra-curriculars. She's not a "joiner"...she doesn't like large groups, she's not athletic...she's creative, but hates doing classes where they tell you HOW you have to be creative....like "Draw a picture of...." or "Make a poster in Pop Art style depicting an apocolyptic survival device." (yes, that was an actual assignment in art class.)
 

Songbird76

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All very true. I do think there are some overall preconceived notions involving states as a whole and the optics for those states. Regions of states can also play a role. I'm sure a kid in the Houston or Dallas area may get more looks than someone from Abilene or Amarillo. Nothing wrong with any of these areas, but a smaller city vs. a larger city may register differently for schools. I'm sure my brother faced some of this going to high school in Gainesville, FL, which probably doesn't get as many looks as kids in certain parts of south FL. It's part of why my mom got him into the high school tied to University of Florida. While there were quite a few schools in attendance at Kendall's recent college night, it's nothing like what I experienced at my high school a million years ago. Of course, things have changed, and recruiting isn't the same. So, schools may not be spending as many resources to travel all over the country. I don't know. I have yet to see a school with out of state tuition that was less than another state's in-state...even with Rutgers in NJ...but these things also ebb and flow a bit over time. I just know my parents loved it whenever I took courses at University of Florida to go towards my degree. Granted, this was early 1990s pricing, but UF was $35 per credit hour compared to SU's $435. We have a few more years for S, but when we get serious about looking at schools next year for K, we have to also focus on best ungrad programs for their long term goals. So, we'll just have to see how it goes.
I don't remember any big schools being at our college fair. We had UW, of course, and the local community colleges.....Casper College, Sheridan, and Gillette Campus, LCCC in Cheyenne, and then Black Hills State in South Dakota, and I think Chadron State from Nebraska....that's it. There MAY have been one from Colorado, but I don't remember it if they did. It was all community colleges except Black hills, Chadron, and the University of Wyoming. But then, most of our students didn't apply anywhere else. A few went into the military because their grades weren't good enough to get into college, a few went to community colleges....most of them never even graduated from them. They'd go for a semester or a year and then drop out. We didn't have a very high rate of kids who got any further education after high school. There were 3 other kids in my class who went to UW with me and I'm the only one who graduated. We had 32 graduating seniors, plus 5 exchange students. Of those 32, I think 4 of us, or maybe 5, went to a 4 year university, and probably 10 did some community college. I think that's it. I THINK I'm the only one with any sort of degree, unless someone went back to school to get one later. We're just not known for academics. I was the "nerd". The week before graduation, the valedictorian got arrested for selling drugs.....to the Salutitorian. (I ended up #2, but somehow the other kid magically passed me in the 3rd quarter with one less A than I had, so he was named Salutitorian, and then I "passed him back" again 4th quarter. At least the scholarship was awarded in the 2nd quarter, so I got that. But in the 2nd quarter there was a "computer glitch" that switched our two rankings, and only our two. It was discovered and set right relatively quickly, and the counselor's secretary, who was a good friend of ours, had I think been the one to catch it, and she told me that my GPA was high enough that he couldn't pass me unless I really screwed up. Then 3rd quarter, I somehow got a C in Calculus though I had gotten A's on all the homework and had gotten a B on my test, and my math teacher wasn't able to explain to my mom why that came out to a C. And someone overheard a science teacher, not mine, telling the school secretary "I don't KNOW why. I was told to give her a B, so that's what I gave her" about some other student....so we knew grades were being fixed. And when mom went in to question my grades, they did discover that the other kid had been given AP credit for his advanced Spanish, but I was NOT given AP credit for my advanced German. Anyway, that's why I say he "magically" passed me. I don't think he actually did, but the councelor and principal had a beef...several beefs, with my family, so I'm pretty sure they rigged it.)
 

Songbird76

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E is having a rough day. They had their first math test and while she studied and thought she was ready, she said everyone had problems with it. She says she MAY have scraped a passing grade, but it will be close. Her best friend told her if she got her first failing grade, they have to celebrate. She came home all stressed out, near tears and with a headache because she never had time to eat because they had the meeting about the special workshop /lectures during lunch. So she missed lunch and had a tough day. I guess her old math teacher told them everyone doing Math B fails the first test. If that's true, obviously it's not a good test... If even the best students who actually study and prepare can't pass, it isn't representative of the material they covered.
 

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