Work Tractor Collides with Monorail Lime

Soarin' Over Pgh

Well-Known Member
Well here's an ironic photo

WDW-Monorail-Work-Tractor-3.jpg


I guess I could have photoshopped it to make it look more "lime" ;)


So I'm an idiot, but what is that used for? Is it like a tow, if the damn monorail breaks down? Or track maintenance or..?
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
So I'm an idiot, but what is that used for? Is it like a tow, if the damn monorail breaks down? Or track maintenance or..?

all of the above. Basically anytime a monorail needs to be moved w/o being under it's own power (like a breakdown, or power situation) or they need to drive on the beam w/o a monorail... the tractor is the first tool in the toolbox.
 
So I'm an idiot, but what is that used for? Is it like a tow, if the damn monorail breaks down? Or track maintenance or..?

Pretty much what @flynnibus said, they are used for towing troubled monorails & track maintenance/work... Here is a link to a thread with some photos of tractors being used on switch track work, installation of conduit for monorail automation, & towing Monorail Red which had some inverter issued from what I understand...

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...nce-in-early-2014.877979/page-13#post-5929163
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
It amazes me that many people BELIEVE that this is a system problem. Maintenance tractor= not on the system! Completely self sufficient. Does not run nor is operated by control system MAPO.

Bash the system all you want, but it was not at fault. Nobody hurt.....period.
The maintenance tractor is most certainly under the umbrella of the WDW monorail system.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
I just tried the link...tells me it's no longer available...

Oooohhhh, that's interesting. It's not up now. It was just a few hours ago!

Still working for me.

Probably too many hits during a set time period causes the page to become unavailable....I tried it 5 minutes ago and it wasn't available...then just now it WAS available.

the owner of that site is a member here...perhaps he will shed some light on this.
 

Tom

Beta Return
The maintenance tractor is most certainly under the umbrella of the WDW monorail system.

But possibly being operated by a third party contractor, as they've been using it to tow their construction rig around the track recently. We saw them using it at the GF this past week while they were replacing the bus bar. They used a tractor to tug around their fancy rig, which had no power of its own.
 

tatum94

New Member
Probably too many hits during a set time period causes the page to become unavailable....I tried it 5 minutes ago and it wasn't available...then just now it WAS available.

the owner of that site is a member here...perhaps he will shed some light on this.


Here's the correct, working link to the site. Someone posted the link and it accidentally had something that messed up the URL.

http://www.bigfloridacountry.com/monorailaccidents.htm
 

montyz81

Well-Known Member
It amazes me that many people BELIEVE that this is a system problem. Maintenance tractor= not on the system! Completely self sufficient. Does not run nor is operated by control system MAPO.

Bash the system all you want, but it was not at fault. Nobody hurt.....period.
Not only is it not part of the system, but it runs on diesel power in case the system goes down. (not sure if the final drive is electric).
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
It amazes me that many people BELIEVE that this is a system problem. Maintenance tractor= not on the system! Completely self sufficient. Does not run nor is operated by control system MAPO.

Yet still operated under the guidance and procedures and practices of the same transportation department. The scrutiny is on the department, not the monorail element itself. It amazes me that people can't grasp that.
 

dstrawn9889

Well-Known Member
since its drive system is like the monorail, i would place it as a diesel/electric. electric motors at the hubs driven by a diesel powerplant turning a generator.
 

SoupBone

Well-Known Member
Well the tractor was on the line which meant that it was part of the monorail operation and not an outside thing and just like any moving vehicle, short of tying it to the rail, is a free moving entity and only a safety hazard in the same sense that operating a one's car falls under. So yes, I made an assumption, but even if the brakes had failed it is a mechanical malfunction and not necessarily a general safety issue. OSHA would not be involved unless it showed gross negligence on the part of the company. I don't see how this falls into that category. As in, "I warned them about the brakes and they made me go out there on the rail anyway".

Ahhh I see the pic now, and that would be a tough call. Remember though that OSHA doesn't just cover willful violations though, if it's considered a "recordable", you might still end up with an inspector visiting you. Do we know if anyone was hurt? If not, you're right that OSHA probably wouldn't get involved unless the accident was serious.
 

sweetpee_1993

Well-Known Member
Ahhh I see the pic now, and that would be a tough call. Remember though that OSHA doesn't just cover willful violations though, if it's considered a "recordable", you might still end up with an inspector visiting you. Do we know if anyone was hurt? If not, you're right that OSHA probably wouldn't get involved unless the accident was serious.

Personally, I think if OSHA waited for a serious injury to get involved with any employer, not just Disney, then shame on them for being a day late and a dollar short. Their business is to ensure workers safety, not identify why they were maimed or killed. Yes?

I read that neither of the tractor operators were injured. However, if there truly was a brake failure the potential was certainly there and I wouldn't be surprised if OSHA did step in to sniff around. It IS the responsibility of the employer to provide safe working environments as well as properly maintained (read: safe) equipment. If there was a brake failure and nobody was injured this would be considered a near miss. Things OSHA might look for would be why the brakes failed on the tractor: insufficiently maintained, operator error, lack of sufficient training, maintenance logs, what hours the operators had been keeping, who maintains the tractors, etc. OSHA might also question if there was a backup braking system in place (like an E-brake on a car) and, if so, why that either failed or was not used (reverting back to lack of training, fatigue, etc). There's a million ways to look at this, really. Certainly OSHA would be within their duties to have a gander at this incident.
 

Tonka's Skipper

Well-Known Member
Personally, I think if OSHA waited for a serious injury to get involved with any employer, not just Disney, then shame on them for being a day late and a dollar short. Their business is to ensure workers safety, not identify why they were maimed or killed. Yes?

I read that neither of the tractor operators were injured. However, if there truly was a brake failure the potential was certainly there and I wouldn't be surprised if OSHA did step in to sniff around. It IS the responsibility of the employer to provide safe working environments as well as properly maintained (read: safe) equipment. If there was a brake failure and nobody was injured this would be considered a near miss. Things OSHA might look for would be why the brakes failed on the tractor: insufficiently maintained, operator error, lack of sufficient training, maintenance logs, what hours the operators had been keeping, who maintains the tractors, etc. OSHA might also question if there was a backup braking system in place (like an E-brake on a car) and, if so, why that either failed or was not used (reverting back to lack of training, fatigue, etc). There's a million ways to look at this, really. Certainly OSHA would be within their duties to have a gander at this incident.


Hi Sweet Pea,

Since there were no injuries, chances are if OSHA was there to investigate I doubt we will ever read more about it and the report(if one was issued) is like a 1 or 2 years away. Like all government agencies, if this was a issue in any way, like improper rules and operating policies, the ISHA people would be at the cameras, every day tooting their own horns!

AKK
 
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