Wookies, & Rebels, & Droids... OH WHY?! The Anti-SWL in Disneyland Thread

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fctiger

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SuddenStorm said:
Yeesh man, calm down.

For the record, I'm not as against Mission: OVERLAY as others here. It has a lot going for it, and Tony Baxter- a man who's opinion is far more valid and educated than my own- has been vocally in favor of the overlay.

Once you're on the ride, it's great fun (though the same was true for Tower), but I have issues with the queue- I think it could be greatly improved.

But as I've said before, it's biggest offense is that it's brightly visible from Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, especially at night.
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You calm down. You seem almost appalled at mentioning his name or that I was implying you had to agree with him which wasn't remotely my point.

As for everything else you said, agreed! :)
 
Model3 McQueen

Model3 McQueen

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fctiger said:
TOT rarely got more than that even in the summer season. GOTG easily gets over an hour wait when the park is busy. And again, no one is saying people suddenly hate TOT lol, only that they enjoy GOTG just as much. Its not an either/or, people can actually enjoy both which the main argument BEFORE GOTG opened that it was going to be a big dud. That clearly didn't happen.

I get people here liked TOT, me included. I still miss it to this day. But GOTG is a really fun ride and probably a much bigger crowd pleaser out there to a lot of people, especially if you're younger.
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To each their own. I can't fathom the logic behind trading practical effects and a delicate marriage of Hollywood / 30's / The Twilight Zone, with fast refresh-rate tvs showcasing kidnapped heroes. But here we are. People eat at the idea of "something new", while either being too infatuated with Marvel or something similar, to realize it's one big advertising move. Like Hyperspace Mountain.
 
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fctiger

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1LE McQueen said:
To each their own. I can't fathom the logic behind trading practical effects and a delicate marriage of Hollywood / 30's / The Twilight Zone, with fast refresh-rate tvs showcasing kidnapped heroes. But here we are. People eat at the idea of "something new", while either being too infatuated with Marvel or something similar, to realize it's one big advertising move. Like Hyperspace Mountain.
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Well it just proves everyone likes what they like. There is no right or wrong, just how you feel about it. And Marvel is king right now. Maybe in 10-15 years that will be replaced with 'something new' as well and then we will hear from all those fans how Disney is throwing away their favorite ride. The circle will be complete. :)
 
Model3 McQueen

Model3 McQueen

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fctiger said:
Well it just proves everyone likes what they like. There is no right or wrong, just how you feel about it. And Marvel is king right now. Maybe in 10-15 years that will be replaced with 'something new' as well and then we will hear from all those fans how Disney is throwing away their favorite ride. The circle will be complete. :)
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lol. I can only hope :P
 
mickEblu

mickEblu

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fctiger said:
TOT rarely got more than that even in the summer season. GOTG easily gets over an hour wait when the park is busy. And again, no one is saying people suddenly hate TOT lol, only that they enjoy GOTG just as much. Its not an either/or, people can actually enjoy both which the main argument BEFORE GOTG opened that it was going to be a big dud. That clearly didn't happen.

I get people here liked TOT, me included. I still miss it to this day and I completely agree with you about the theming, which I implied in my OP. That's the best thing TOT had going for it and why I still miss it. But GOTG is a really fun ride and probably a much bigger crowd pleaser out there to a lot of people, especially if you're younger.
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I’ve been an AP for a few years and remember TOT averaging 30-45 minute waits. We ll see what GOTG averages after 13 years.

GOTG is fun for me because it’s still a drop ride. It goes up and down more but I’m not sure it’s more thrilling for me. It never feels like you get the full drop you did with the TOT finale or maybe it’s just because we lost the buildup/ suspense?
 
socalifornian

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mickEblu said:
I’ve been an AP for a few years and remember TOT averaging 30-45 minute waits. We ll see what GOTG averages after 13 years.

GOTG is fun for me because it’s still a drop ride. It goes up and down more but I’m not sure it’s more thrilling for me. It never feels like you get the full drop you did with the TOT finale or maybe it’s just because we lost the buildup/ suspense?
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The wait times didn’t look much different to me either once the hype died down. Felt like a waste to change it going by that alone

Edit: to add to it the hype was a relatively short blip (was it six months or so?), compared to what racers has done and continues to do for the park

Edit 2: I remember going to DCA one morning to get a Guardians fp, with the intent of getting a racers fp next. However that ended up being a mistake because the crowd flow had already returned to ‘normal,’ with racers taking back the crown as most popular
 
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George Lucas on a Bench

George Lucas on a Bench

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General consensus seems to be that it's a good attraction overall, bar is too small, Falcon may be a bit iffy, the blue milk is just kinda gross and can't wait for Rise of the Silver Surfer to open. I do read these and other websites, you know. I don't just watch videos of the Rocket Rods on YouTube. Let's wait until it has become a true part of the tapestry of DLR when reservations are no longer a thing and it's fully up and running.
 
THE 1HAPPY HAUNT

THE 1HAPPY HAUNT

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George Lucas on a Bench said:
General consensus seems to be that it's a good attraction overall, bar is too small, Falcon may be a bit iffy, the blue milk is just kinda gross and can't wait for Rise of the Silver Surfer to open. I do read these and other websites, you know. I don't just watch videos of the Rocket Rods on YouTube. Let's wait until it has become a true part of the tapestry of DLR when reservations are no longer a thing and it's fully up and running.
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they should have just used the old Rocket Rods ride vehicles for ROTR instead of the trackless system If they had the ride would be open and much faster than it is going to be.
 
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fctiger

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socalifornian said:
The wait times didn’t look much different to me either once the hype died down. Felt like a waste to change it going by that alone

Edit: to add to it the hype was a relatively short blip (was it six months or so?), compared to what racers has done and continues to do for the park

Edit 2: I remember going to DCA one morning to get a Guardians fp, with the intent of getting a racers fp next. However that ended up being a mistake because the crowd flow had already returned to ‘normal,’ with racers taking back the crown as most popular
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But I don't think its that alone. I have a feeling its also the merchandise that sells WAY above what TOT was probably selling. I was at the park last week for my GE reservation (already been a week, my how time flies) and there were quite a few people wearing baby Groot on their shoulders and/or MB T-shirts. And I read somewhere that any merchandise Disney sold for TOT a cut of it also went to CBS. Now how true that is, who knows, but my feeling is there is probably some truth to that. I don't think merchandise is the sole reason why they got rid of it since the other TOT are still around, but it probably was a factor why they had no problem dumping it either.
 
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planodisney

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People act like this decision was made singularly to change IP from Twilight Zone to Guardians. It was made knowing it would be apart of Marvel land.
That shouldn’t excuse everything to those who were against this, but it is a big difference. They wouldn’t have made the change and just left it part of Hollywood. It was part of a much larger plan.
 
TROR

TROR

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planodisney said:
People act like this decision was made singularly to change IP from Twilight Zone to Guardians. It was made knowing it would be apart of Marvel land.
That shouldn’t excuse everything to those who were against this, but it is a big difference. They wouldn’t have made the change and just left it part of Hollywood. It was part of a much larger plan.
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Sure. Then there becomes the issue of how Marvel land doesn't belong in DCA...
 
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fctiger

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SuddenStorm said:
ding ding ding!

We got a winner. I'd bet the one (and only) reason the attraction was changed is too boost merchandise sales in the park. It certainly wasn't to create a new classic attraction.
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I do think its both actually. They could've gone even cheaper with it and not include any of the original cast for it, nor got James Gunn to come up to direct the scenes, etc. In fact oddly its one of the few movie rides in the park that uses the original actors in the ride. The few others that do are just their voices. They clearly wanted people to associate it with MCU as much as possible.

But yeah merchandise is a huge factor in ALL of these rides these days. I point this out over and over again every time TDS gets mentioned. That was a park that only had one real character area originally, The Little Mermaid. Nearly 20 years later every land there now has character and movie based attractions of some kind. Why, because someone somewhere realized people just buy a lot more T-shirts, key chains and cups when its based on characters everyone knows. They changed one of their non-franchise rides (StormRider) into a Finding Nemo lay over a few years back too. Not a shock why they are building basically their version of Fantasyland too. Of course their TOT is still in tact...for now.

This is the direction all the parks are moving in these days. Even Shanghai at least started out with a few non-franchise attractions but now every rumor of whats coming to that park is cartoon and movie characters.
 
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fctiger

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planodisney said:
People act like this decision was made singularly to change IP from Twilight Zone to Guardians. It was made knowing it would be apart of Marvel land.
That shouldn’t excuse everything to those who were against this, but it is a big difference. They wouldn’t have made the change and just left it part of Hollywood. It was part of a much larger plan.
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I agree with this as well. It clearly was a lot of different factors in mind and not just one. I think if they would've built Marvel land first and THEN changed it, it wouldn't be so many people bothered by it. I mean they would be bothered lol but it would've been a lot more easier to justify it at least. The biggest problem is the ride simply doesn't fit in the land its in today. If you ignore everything else, that is really the ONLY thing that gives people a legitimate reason to say it doesn't belong.

The thing is I'm not really defending it, I'm on both sides of the issue. But its not exactly up there with slavery, abortion or genocide so you either accept it or you don't. Its there now and its clearly not going anywhere, especially since it seems to be in the top 3 most popular ride in the park after RSR and TSM. I guess you can argue Incrdicoaster could be more popular being 'newer' but that seems to get lower wait times generally even when MB is getting healthy business.

The only thing we can realistically hope for is that the new Marvel land will make it fit better but even knowing what we know about it sounds like it will just barely fit since the theme of the new land is suppose to be superheroes campuses Stark has been building worldwide.
 

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