Rumor Wonders of Life getting an attraction soon?

danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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Goofyernmost said:
Smoke detectors still work with those missing panels.
Passage of smoke in an unsealed system will happen with or without the panels. In fact access to the problem will be easier without them.
Those panels might be fire resistant but they are not fire proof. At best they only hold it off for a very short time and falling ceiling panels that are on fire are far more of a hazard then having nothing there so that fire suppressing equipment can get to it.
You are right, nothing that isn't made of stone or steel is fire proof so if they are there or not will not prevent the situation from happening. You are making up situations that have more then one consequence. Some are good some are bad, but, there or not does nothing to prevent a fire situation or even prevent the existing systems from working. It is nothing more then distorted images about how things actually work.
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https://www.compliance.gov/sites/default/files/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/fastfacts_ceilingtiles.pdf

"Properly installed ceiling systems allow smoke detectors, heat detectors, and fire sprinklers to operate correctly in the event of a fire. They also provide a barrier to the spread of smoke and fire. Breaking, displacing, or removing ceiling tiles enables hot gases and smoke from a fire to rise and accumulate above detectors and sprinklers. Doing so delays their activation, enabling fires to rapidly grow larger before an alarm and response occur."
 
Missing20K

Missing20K

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Goofyernmost said:
Who said they weren't?
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Goofyernmost said:
I really doubt it is a very high paid professional that designed those grid style suspended ceilings that cover utilities.
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lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Goofyernmost said:
That is a mutual feeling. You folks think that you are so freaking important and so obsesses with Disney that you can't even recognize realities. The freaking ceiling isn't gone just a panel or two and the working with, is more related to having the sprinklers below the ceiling level. Not having that panel in place does not change the effectiveness of the system. How long to you think that those panels would stay in place if any of that stuff was activated. Seriously. Those systems my be incorporated into the ceiling, but, they are not part of it that make up the system itself. If a ceiling is called for the systems that are needed are placed mostly below the ceiling level the system itself is still in place and working. So everything you said is not true. It is only a part of a much bigger picture.
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Goofyernmost said:
Smoke detectors still work with those missing panels.
Passage of smoke in an unsealed system will happen with or without the panels. In fact access to the problem will be easier without them.
Those panels might be fire resistant but they are not fire proof. At best they only hold it off for a very short time and falling ceiling panels that are on fire are far more of a hazard then having nothing there so that fire suppressing equipment can get to it.
You are right, nothing that isn't made of stone or steel is fire proof so if they are there or not will not prevent the situation from happening. You are making up situations that have more then one consequence. Some are good some are bad, but, there or not does nothing to prevent a fire situation or even prevent the existing systems from working. It is nothing more then distorted images about how things actually work.
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https://www.compliance.gov/sites/default/files/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/fastfacts_ceilingtiles.pdf
Does the Office of Compliance just think they are so important and so Disney obsessed that they don’t recognize realities?

Ceilings, even tile grids, can act as the "seal" that keeps smoke contained. Fire fighters know how to handle a fire in a ceiling space, making the situation more dangerous to building occupants does not help them.

Nothing is fire proof. Stone may not catch fire but depending on the stone they can react to the heat in less than desirable ways, such as becoming brittle. Stone is also very, very, very, very rare as a contemporary structure material nor is it common as part of standard rated systems. Steel is also not fire proof and requires protection in more fire resistant types of construction. Tested, rated assemblies and finishes are what keep people safe by slowing down the progression of a fire and they have to be built exactly as tested. You cannot just remove a layer of gypsum from a rated wall and say it will still work because the studs are steel.
 
monothingie

monothingie

Nakatomi Plaza Christmas Eve 1988. Never Forget.
Premium Member
lazyboy97o said:
https://www.compliance.gov/sites/default/files/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/fastfacts_ceilingtiles.pdf
Does the Office of Compliance just think they are so important and so Disney obsessed that they don’t recognize realities?

Ceilings, even tile grids, can act as the "seal" that keeps smoke contained. Fire fighters know how to handle a fire in a ceiling space, making the situation more dangerous to building occupants does not help them.

Nothing is fire proof. Stone may not catch fire but depending on the stone they can react to the heat in less than desirable ways, such as becoming brittle. Stone is also very, very, very, very rare as a contemporary structure material nor is it common as part of standard rated systems. Steel is also not fire proof and requires protection in more fire resistant types of construction. Tested, rated assemblies and finishes are what keep people safe by slowing down the progression of a fire and they have to be built exactly as tested. You cannot just remove a layer of gypsum from a rated wall and say it will still work because the studs are steel.
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monothingie

monothingie

Nakatomi Plaza Christmas Eve 1988. Never Forget.
Premium Member
Goofyernmost said:
Smoke detectors still work with those missing panels.
Passage of smoke in an unsealed system will happen with or without the panels. In fact access to the problem will be easier without them.
Those panels might be fire resistant but they are not fire proof. At best they only hold it off for a very short time and falling ceiling panels that are on fire are far more of a hazard then having nothing there so that fire suppressing equipment can get to it.
You are right, nothing that isn't made of stone or steel is fire proof so if they are there or not will not prevent the situation from happening. You are making up situations that have more then one consequence. Some are good some are bad, but, there or not does nothing to prevent a fire situation or even prevent the existing systems from working. It is nothing more then distorted images about how things actually work.
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Smoke Detector and sprinkler placement and type is based on ceiling construction. Smoke detector and sprinkler spacing varies greatly on suspended ceiling versus standard decking. Same with sprinkler heads. The performance of smoke detector and sprinkler on an open ceiling grid with out tiles is greatly affected. Smoke and heat will tend to bypass the detector or sprinkler head and cause it not to activate as quickly as it would if the suspended ceiling system were intact.

As also mentioned fire rated systems can carry a minimum 30 minute rating when properly installed. That can really make a difference in containing a fire and save lives.
 

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