Rumor Wonders of Life getting an attraction soon?

[smile]

Sadly, that it absolutely true. Only the people that have seen it before and have it basically memorized even know that it is different. It's not to say that it should be that way, but, again reality raises its ugly head and what one doesn't now, doesn't bother them. What is the solution. Do we just ignore it or do we find a way to let not only the management aware of what it should be, but, the public as well. Then it becomes how do we inform the public. Those that frequent the Disney boards are probably already aware, those that are newbee's are completely oblivious to anything being wrong. It doesn't seem to me that there is any fix to this other then complaining and then not going back until things are fixed. But, then how will we know when things are fixed. Quite the dilemma, is it not?

silence is acceptance, almost always

as a dealer of 'magic', guests have far more power than they give themselves credit for... this ain't a utility
- the very nature of twdc demands consistently trying new ideas and constantly gauging what can be gotten away with, many instances of which the company opens itself up for direct guest control.

for several reasons (form reacting to wdi's spiraling costs to flat-out cowardice, etc.), too many decisions nowadays are made in attempt to deliver exactly what is thought the guest is looking for or have already showed to have accepted elsewhere as opposed to aiming for experiences that deliver what the guest doesn't even know they want until they get it... reading tea leaves instead of dictating...a subtle difference to the general populace, but it's not lost to those of us who realize and appreciate such things as being relative, based on the standards established by this very company... in that difference is oftentimes where magic is born.

it has not always been this way, and i believe it worthwhile to consider if this changed approach will engender as much loyalty as the former or if it even matters as long as it's got electrolytes.

 

[AKL2003]

Speaking of poor show. The final scene in CoP this past Sunday when we rode, had the video screen stuck on ”Game Over” graphic. Problem was, it was this way through the whole scene. Even my kids were like “that’s weird”. Kinda ruins the majority of the plot in the scene. When grandma and grandson are bantering about playing the game in real-time.
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Funny...it had the same issue the first week of May when i was there...

 

[geekza]

it has not always been this way, and i believe it worthwhile to consider if this changed approach will engender as much loyalty as the former or if it even matters as long as it's got electrolytes.

It's what plants crave.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If you can prove that, in this case, I will say, OK then it is a big deal, but, just because some ceiling tiles, made from that healthy asbestos probably, perform that function does not mean that these do. Let's move on, shall we? It's a couple of ceiling tiles missing from an area that if it weren't for the emergency exit would have been blocked off and not used. As it is it won't be used unless they have a need to make an emergency exit.

There are fire sprinklers in the ceiling, a very strong indicator that continuity is required. Potential life safety issues are not lessened because they are backstage and being along a means of egress makes it worse. You constantly say you want to talk about reality and the reality is that ceilings are designed by professionals and very often serve functions beyond just looking pretty.

 

[Kman101]

No it really isn't true at all. Lots of first time guests notice all sorts of little details that made/make Disney the first name in themed attractions/entertainment. Disney parks at their best exude Gestalt. The whole is more than just the sum of the parts. Moreover, memorizing an attraction has little to do with whether or not the attraction should be experienced by all guests at it's utmost capability and highest standard feasible. If not for all of the attention to detail, including working effects and utilizing the attraction as designed/intended, then Disney wouldn't have become what it is today. I just could not disagree more, respectfully.

It is partially true. Many average guests don't notice a lot of things. I go out of my way to chat. It's absolutely insane what people don't know or what they don't care about. None of us can truly speak to what a guest sees, wants to see, or remembers. We sometimes relate our own experience to the average guest, and that's not usually the case. Just ask castmembers, they have lots of fun stories of confused guests. They won't know what should or shouldn't be working. Not a defense or an excuse for how they run things, just stating it how I personally see it. I'm not trying to sell "average guests" short, but I don't think some of you understand just how out of touch some guests are that visit the parks.

 

[Goofyernmost]

There are fire sprinklers in the ceiling, a very strong indicator that continuity is required. Potential life safety issues are not lessened because they are backstage and being along a means of egress makes it worse. You constantly say you want to talk about reality and the reality is that ceilings are designed by professionals and very often serve functions beyond just looking pretty.

And very often designed to cover ugly conduits and roof and ceiling supports. I really doubt it is a very high paid professional that designed those grid style suspended ceilings that cover utilities. So I don't really see the safety issue in this case. Maybe it is there, but, it is hardly obvious and seems much more important to maintain egress as opposed to looking pretty. Why they are missing is the mystery. Are they still missing? If not... problem solved. If they are... I will agree that they should be fixed by now. But, I think that very few people have gone in there to check out the ceiling tiles and since all the place is being used for is a random building for the "choke and puke" extravaganza... hardly a mortal sin.

 

[Missing20K]

It is partially true. Many average guests don't notice a lot of things. I go out of my way to chat. It's absolutely insane what people don't know or what they don't care about. None of us can truly speak to what a guest sees, wants to see, or remembers. We sometimes relate our own experience to the average guest, and that's not usually the case. Just ask castmembers, they have lots of fun stories of confused guests. They won't know what should or shouldn't be working. Not a defense or an excuse for how they run things, just stating it how I personally see it. I'm not trying to sell "average guests" short, but I don't think some of you understand just how out of touch some guests are that visit the parks.

I never said average guests don't notice a lot of things. I said average guests notice more than they are given credit for, but further, average guests also don't need to be overtly aware of all details.

To reiterate, the entirety of the experience is based on details, large and small, noticed and unnoticed, that, when viewed as a whole, are far greater than any sum of said details. Simply being confused or unaware of the contents and details of a park is a irrelevant in that one does not need to be consciously aware of these aspects in order to experience the space/attraction/whatever as intended by the designer(s). Again, I refer to the idea of Gestalt, one's perception of an experience is made up of many, many parts, many of which pass through the subconscious mind without alerting one's conscious mind, thereby enhancing and even creating one's experience through one's own mind. These details are inherent to creating high quality themed experiences. (qualifier about it all being my opinion, yada yada)

 

[Missing20K]

I really doubt it is a very high paid professional that designed those grid style suspended ceilings that cover utilities.

Fire Protection/Plumbing Engineers and/or Architects design those "grid style suspended ceilings that cover utilities" and they most certainly are professionals.

 

[marni1971]

Has this been happening recently? If so, we must have had good luck; I usually go on and on about how great the preshow is whenever we’re there.

Not over the last few weeks. However Foxtrot has been profile locked for a considerable amount of time due to repairs not being approved by management. The same management who deemed open libraries were okay.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Not over the last few weeks. However Foxtrot has been profile locked for a considerable amount of time due to repairs not being approved by management. The same management who deemed open libraries were okay.

I think I speak for a lot of people with this:

 

[Missing20K]

The same management who deemed open libraries were okay.

This is just......what a great way to ruin an experience. Would they do a Mickey M&G and not have Mickey's pants on? I think not. What exactly are they saving by running the attraction in that manner?

 

[Goofyernmost]

Fire Protection/Plumbing Engineers and/or Architects design those "grid style suspended ceilings that cover utilities" and they most certainly are professionals.

Who said they weren't? However, are any of those the people that invented the suspended ceiling? What the hell does any of it have to do with this topic. Who the hell cares about who designed the suspended ceiling. All those people that you mentioned did design things that they hide and the Architects use them to save money and make it pretty. It seems lately that people are pulling irrelevant facts out of the blue just for something to argue about. The discussion comes from a comment that they might need to be in place as a safety factor. I have said, maybe, but, what is that awful safety factor. I have been in many a building with that type of ceiling and they are only there to either lesson the air space that needs to be heated or Air Conditioned and/or cover an otherwise ugly array of pipes, conduits and rafters. Never has a suspended ceiling been thought of as a safety feature, it can be bent and pulled down with your bare hands. Some safety thing, eh. Really, no professional is being put down in this conversation

 

[peter11435]

Architects use them to save money and make it pretty. It seems lately that people are pulling irrelevant facts out of the blue just for something to argue about. The discussion comes from a comment that they might need to be in place as a safety factor. I have said, maybe, but, what is that awful safety factor. I have been in many a building with that type of ceiling and they are only there to either lesson the air space that needs to be heated or Air Conditioned and/or cover an otherwise ugly array of pipes, conduits and rafters. Never has a suspended ceiling been thought of as a safety feature,

Basically none of this is true

 

[Goofyernmost]

Basically none of this is true

What the hell planet are you living on. Spell out what is wrong with what I said and try and keep it in the realm of reality and not what pixie dust dictates.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Who said they weren't? However, are any of those the people that invented the suspended ceiling? What the hell does any of it have to do with this topic. Who the hell cares about who designed the suspended ceiling. All those people that you mentioned did design things that they hide and the Architects use them to save money and make it pretty. It seems lately that people are pulling irrelevant facts out of the blue just for something to argue about. The discussion comes from a comment that they might need to be in place as a safety factor. I have said, maybe, but, what is that awful safety factor. I have been in many a building with that type of ceiling and they are only there to either lesson the air space that needs to be heated or Air Conditioned and/or cover an otherwise ugly array of pipes, conduits and rafters. Never has a suspended ceiling been thought of as a safety feature, it can be bent and pulled down with your bare hands. Some safety thing, eh. Really, no professional is being put down in this conversation

Properly functioning fire sprinklers are not a safety feature?
Properly functioning smoke detectors are not a safety feature?
Preventing the passage of smoke is not a safety feature?
Preventing the passage of fire is not a safety feature?
That you can damage ceiling tiles and grids is irrelevant to their usefulness. Gypsum board can also be bent and broken with bare hands, doesn’t mean it is not fire resistant. Putty pads and sealants can also be destroyed by hand, doesn’t mean they’re not fire resistant either.

 

[peter11435]

What the hell planet are you living on. Spell out what is wrong with what I said and try and keep it in the realm of reality and not what pixie dust dictates.

Everything that is wrong with your post was already spelled out elsewhere in this thread.

Just because you think something doesn’t make it true.

For starters If a building is designed with a drop ceiling then that buildings fire detection and fire suppression systems are designed to operate with that drop ceiling.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Everything that is wrong with your post was already spelled out elsewhere in this thread.

Just because you think something doesn’t make it true.

For starters If a building is designed with a drop ceiling then that buildings fire detection and fire suppression systems are designed to operate with that drop ceiling.

That is a mutual feeling. You folks think that you are so freaking important and so obsesses with Disney that you can't even recognize realities. The freaking ceiling isn't gone just a panel or two and the working with, is more related to having the sprinklers below the ceiling level. Not having that panel in place does not change the effectiveness of the system. How long to you think that those panels would stay in place if any of that stuff was activated. Seriously. Those systems my be incorporated into the ceiling, but, they are not part of it that make up the system itself. If a ceiling is called for the systems that are needed are placed mostly below the ceiling level the system itself is still in place and working. So everything you said is not true. It is only a part of a much bigger picture.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Properly functioning fire sprinklers are not a safety feature?
Properly functioning smoke detectors are not a safety feature?
Preventing the passage of smoke is not a safety feature?
Preventing the passage of fire is not a safety feature?
That you can damage ceiling tiles and grids is irrelevant to their usefulness. Gypsum board can also be bent and broken with bare hands, doesn’t mean it is not fire resistant. Putty pads and sealants can also be destroyed by hand, doesn’t mean they’re not fire resistant either.

Smoke detectors still work with those missing panels.
Passage of smoke in an unsealed system will happen with or without the panels. In fact access to the problem will be easier without them.
Those panels might be fire resistant but they are not fire proof. At best they only hold it off for a very short time and falling ceiling panels that are on fire are far more of a hazard then having nothing there so that fire suppressing equipment can get to it.
You are right, nothing that isn't made of stone or steel is fire proof so if they are there or not will not prevent the situation from happening. You are making up situations that have more then one consequence. Some are good some are bad, but, there or not does nothing to prevent a fire situation or even prevent the existing systems from working. It is nothing more then distorted images about how things actually work.

 

[V_L_Raptor]

Wonders of Tiles Pavilion.

Technically, mildew keeps it Wonders of Life. Vertebrates require way too much capex.

 

[peter11435]

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That is a mutual feeling. You folks think that you are so freaking important and so obsesses with Disney that you can't even recognize realities. The freaking ceiling isn't gone just a panel or two and the working with, is more related to having the sprinklers below the ceiling level. Not having that panel in place does not change the effectiveness of the system. How long to you think that those panels would stay in place if any of that stuff was activated. Seriously. Those systems my be incorporated into the ceiling, but, they are not part of it that make up the system itself. If a ceiling is called for the systems that are needed are placed mostly below the ceiling level the system itself is still in place and working. So everything you said is not true. It is only a part of a much bigger picture.

There are people on this forum who are experts in this field. You don’t have to guess.