doctornick
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hmmm. That sounds like a lot better (or at least more coherent) movie to me than what we got.
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Wish (Walt Disney Animation - November 2023)
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hmmm. That sounds like a lot better (or at least more coherent) movie to me than what we got.
Animaniac93-98
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No violence, no romance, no bad people. Only bad magic.
It's strangely safe after the successes of Frozen and Zootopia, which had more social commentary and clear cut villains.
But they made sure to include the dead parent, lol
BuddyThomas
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Speak for yourself. Some audience members liked it. Some didn’t. Like with every movie. Speaking in broad generalizations is ridiculous.
BuddyThomas
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You can’t take anything to heart that most these people on here say. It’s allegedly a Disney fan site, but almost every thread is filled with so much Disney hatred that it often rises to the level of trolling. Well, they are the ones who have to look within and ask themselves why they spend so much time on a Disney fan site trashing everything. I would assume they have more productive things to do but maybe not.
Wendy Pleakley
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This was decent and enjoyable, but felt like they were going through a Disney movie checklist without delivering something unique, clever, or original that would elevate it beyond that.
We get the introduction to the village song. Check. We get the villain song. Check. We get the balled that is reprised at the end. Check.
Not to say audiences don't love movies that are comforting in their familiarity. See The Force Awakens and Maverick. It just lacked the type of big song, great character, or big moment that distinguishes other Disney films. Under the Sea, the Genie, Let it Go, the ballroom scene in Beauty and the Beast. Things like that.
We get the introduction to the village song. Check. We get the villain song. Check. We get the balled that is reprised at the end. Check.
Not to say audiences don't love movies that are comforting in their familiarity. See The Force Awakens and Maverick. It just lacked the type of big song, great character, or big moment that distinguishes other Disney films. Under the Sea, the Genie, Let it Go, the ballroom scene in Beauty and the Beast. Things like that.
networkpro
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- In the Parks
- Yes
M. Mouse Mercantile at the Grand Floridian with fully stocked shelves with a 40% discount and no customers as shown in my pictures from last week beg to differ. Touchstones for other properties were selling very well.
BuddyThomas
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Who cares??? Seriously what is your point?
networkpro
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- In the Parks
- Yes
My point is that I've attempted to convey that Wish was not successful. As any attempt for civil discussion with you fails, I wish you well and adieu.
BuddyThomas
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You are not attempting civil discussion. You are only gloating that a Disney film did not do well at the box office.
MarvelCharacterNerd
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Oh I think it's a strong likelihood he'll show up. He's an obvious choice for a new villain this year. I'm looking forward to him and his hair!
Farerb
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It's just a movie.You know what? I need to take sabbatical leave of absence for this! In other words taking a break from this! This is the most depressing discussion forum I have ever been on! I don’t think everybody here are true fans of Disney! This is depressing! I demand this thread to be close so we can move on to other things! But I guess that won’t happen.
I think safe has become a big issue for Disney as a whole in the years since those films and Moana. Much as bad faith types like to complain that the company is "woke" and all that, they seem more and more desperate not to offend anybody with their films. Sure, they've had a smattering of queer characters, more non-white characters, and lots of "strong" female leads across their and Pixar's animated features, the Star Wars franchise, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe. But the queer characters get virtually nothing to do, the non-white characters often end up sidelined, and in the animated features at least the heroines are now cookie-cutter kooky.
And then there's the "no bad people" thing. The protagonists and "good" characters have no real flaws that help define them, that they rise above in the course of the story, because a lot of viewers seem obsessed with virtual perfection in what they're watching these days. Characters can't make mistakes, or have regrets, or be selfish, etc. or they aren't "good" or "cool". This is extremely limiting if one wants to tell a good story. With Wish Asha does actually do selfish, spiteful, and careless things, but they are never identified as such. She is "perfectly imperfect" as the filmmakers put it in the making-of; she does not need to be a better person. Simon is not treated as a monster for betraying Asha, but at the same time it's never pointed out that in fact he was doing what everyone else in his community would consider the right thing to do under the circumstances - after all, they believe the unknown magic is a danger, and not without cause. Instead it's all put down to his wanting to get his wish and having faith in the wrong person - not doing what was right.
By having a world where no one dies except in vague backstories to curry sympathy for the leads, where people except for the odd bad apple are inherently good and have no real flaws, where issues of race, creed, etc. are non-existent, where social inequality and strife are unknown, where magic conveniently exists to help get rid of those bad apples, the story ends up sort of hermetically sealed and doesn't work as an effective metaphor for anything we deal with in our own messy lives.
Vegas Disney Fan
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I think this is a common theme in a lot of Disneys recent failures, their characters don’t grow, they don’t overcome adversity, they are seemingly perfect and “the best” at everything they try, with or without training.
I think the new Mulan is still the worst example of this, in the original she risks herself to save her father, she struggles physically but she overcomes via hard work and using her brain, and you can’t help but cheer for her throughout the movie, in the live action she’s shown to be a gifted athlete as a little child, she never does anything wrong, she excels at everything… and I never once cheered for her.
Having a flawless lead characters makes for very boring stories.
Because people are not really true Disney fans. I’m either going to blame on the critics or WDWPro. I’m having a feeling that Pro might bribes the critics to hate it and made the people not see Wish in theaters. He’s a jerk!
Heppenheimer
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No True Scotsman!
Heppenheimer
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Saw it over the weekend. Meh. Not bad, but I had most of the opinions already shared with the others here.
I feel like Magnifico needs a better movie.
One thing I found interesting... many of the other castles that Disney uses in their parks and movies are based on amalgamations of actual European castles. Wish may be the first movie where the castle seems to be based on European water towers:
I feel like Magnifico needs a better movie.
One thing I found interesting... many of the other castles that Disney uses in their parks and movies are based on amalgamations of actual European castles. Wish may be the first movie where the castle seems to be based on European water towers:
Ghost93
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I like the unique design of the castle.
While I thought Wish was mediocre, I don't think it deserves the scorn and hatred its gotten from so many. A youtube search of the film will lead you to dozens of videos bashing the film and acting like it's the ultimate crime against humanity. Wish could have and should have been better, but I feel there is this bandwagon effect where everyone is eager to pile on in bashing the film simply because it's the popular thing to do.
While I thought Wish was mediocre, I don't think it deserves the scorn and hatred its gotten from so many. A youtube search of the film will lead you to dozens of videos bashing the film and acting like it's the ultimate crime against humanity. Wish could have and should have been better, but I feel there is this bandwagon effect where everyone is eager to pile on in bashing the film simply because it's the popular thing to do.
LittleBuford
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The official tie-in book says it's based on a Spanish-Islamic watchtower:
9 facts you might not know about the making of Disney's animated movie 'Wish'
Asha's friends are based on Snow White's dwarves and other fun facts about the making of Disney Animation's 62nd full-length animated movie.
www.businessinsider.com
Torre del Oro - Wikipedia
WorldExplorer
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This film promoted and styled itself as a celebration of Disney's legacy. Aside from the implication that you should be celebrating your hundreth anniversary with something worthy of your amazing legacy (which simueltaneously gives the whole movie a veneer of arrogance and angers people because it didn't live up to it), it also constantly insisted people think of superior movies while watching it. I think that's where a lot of the virtol is coming from. The film is essentially saying "Remember the amazing things we did before that you've loved for decades? Well...this is how far we've fallen. Hooray!".
A lot of people also know that some really cool ideas died in production for this film that isn't good, which definitely doesn't help.
You could argue that's not fair, but at the same time, Wish wanted to lean on that legacy. It wanted to use existing iconography and characters to prop itself up. What ended up happening is just the inverse of what they hoped.
And Magnifico is probably fueling the flames quite a bit. Me, personally, I think there are few thing more unpleasant to watch than when the movie villifies someone who isn't wrong, or props up someone who is wrong. Regardless of arguments about whether or not Magnifico is actually wrong, clearly a ton of people came to the conclusion he wasn't. A lot of complaints seem to center around that.
I'm glad people are beating on it. If it got by on "well, it's okay" there'd be no hope of them getting better.
(I think it deserves the hate; couldn't stand it.)
A lot of people also know that some really cool ideas died in production for this film that isn't good, which definitely doesn't help.
You could argue that's not fair, but at the same time, Wish wanted to lean on that legacy. It wanted to use existing iconography and characters to prop itself up. What ended up happening is just the inverse of what they hoped.
And Magnifico is probably fueling the flames quite a bit. Me, personally, I think there are few thing more unpleasant to watch than when the movie villifies someone who isn't wrong, or props up someone who is wrong. Regardless of arguments about whether or not Magnifico is actually wrong, clearly a ton of people came to the conclusion he wasn't. A lot of complaints seem to center around that.
I'm glad people are beating on it. If it got by on "well, it's okay" there'd be no hope of them getting better.
(I think it deserves the hate; couldn't stand it.)
Sir_Cliff
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I do understand that, and personally would avoid almost all video commentary around Disney on YouTube these days due to 'the climate'.
That said, I really don't feel like I was a hater regarding this film as I wanted it to be a success and found it more mediocre than terrible. However, I am sure I read like a hater on here because something about the plot did get under my skin in a way that I don't remember happening with a Disney film before!
I do wonder whether it is the division over whether Magnifico or Asha were ultimately being more reasonable is part of the reason the film has sparked a particularly strong reaction. The film very strongly leans one way, but I think the fact that other people see a lot more ambiguity around the central conflict or flat out take the opposite view from the filmmakers makes the resolution seem unfair and thus irritating to an extent you don't find in many films.