Phroobar
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I think their marketing was more like 125% of production budget. It was marketed the hell out of and still the cult of Disney didn't show up. Don't forget distribution take. Soul is closer to breaking even than Wish.
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Wish (Walt Disney Animation - November 2023)
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TP2000
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I agree with all of that. If they spent $140 Million marketing The Little Mermaid in '23 (Disney bragged about that to Variety), then they certainly spent at least $100 Million marketing Wish. 100th Anniversary Celebration!!!
But I was being gracious by offering a loss scenario of only $173 Million, if you pretend they spent $75 Million on marketing.
BuddyThomas
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Does it give you satisfaction that’s they lost money?I agree with all of that. If they spent $140 Million marketing The Little Mermaid in '23 (Disney bragged about that to Variety), then they certainly spent at least $100 Million marketing Wish. 100th Anniversary Celebration!!!
But I was being gracious by offering a loss scenario of only $173 Million, if you pretend they spent $75 Million on marketing.
TP2000
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No, it's infuriating and very worrisome.
The parks are woefully and chronically under-invested, there's no new ride under construction in any of the 6 Disney parks on either coast, there's no night parade on either coast, huge facilities like the Hyperion Theater and Wonders of Life pavilion sit empty and abandoned, and there's not a bulldozer or Imagineer in a hard hat in sight.
And yet the Burbank studios burn giant piles of cash, hundreds of millions of dollars every few months, with seemingly no worry for the future.
This is not sustainable for the Walt Disney Company. They simply can't have another year like 2023. So we're left to wait for what, Turning Red in theaters next month? Yikes.
Farerb
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Don't you think that Inside Out 2 might be successful?No, it's infuriating and very worrisome.
The parks are woefully and chronically under-invested, there's no new ride under construction in any of the 6 Disney parks on either coast, there's no night parade on either coast, huge facilities like the Hyperion Theater and Wonders of Life pavilion sit empty and abandoned, and there's not a bulldozer or Imagineer in a hard hat in sight.
And yet the Burbank studios burn giant piles of cash, hundreds of millions of dollars every few months, with seemingly no worry for the future.
This is not sustainable for the Walt Disney Company. They simply can't have another year like 2023. So we're left to wait for what, Turning Red in theaters next month? Yikes.
Disney Irish
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A few things since this isn't the first time you've brought this up in the "movies" sub-forum....No, it's infuriating and very worrisome.
The parks are woefully and chronically under-invested, there's no new ride under construction in any of the 6 Disney parks on either coast, there's no night parade on either coast, huge facilities like the Hyperion Theater and Wonders of Life pavilion sit empty and abandoned, and there's not a bulldozer or Imagineer in a hard hat in sight.
And yet the Burbank studios burn giant piles of cash, hundreds of millions of dollars every few months, with seemingly no worry for the future.
This is not sustainable for the Walt Disney Company. They simply can't have another year like 2023. So we're left to wait for what, Turning Red in theaters next month? Yikes.
1. This isn't 1955 the Studios don't fund the Parks. The Disney Parks division is not dependent on whether the movies do well or not. They are dependent on if the Disney Parks do well, and while there is a debate on this site right now on if overall attendance is down at the domestic parks the Parks division overall is still profitable.
2. Disney Parks, Disneyland specifically, survived without nighttime parades for decades. A new or revived nighttime parade is not dependent on if Studios do well or not.
3. Even if the 2023 slate of movies had done gangbusters there is no guarantee it would have caused a sudden influx of new construction projects to be announced. Disney has the capital and can announce new Parks projects now if they wanted, how Studios are performing is not the reason they haven't.
4. Disney has had many years over the decades where Studios weren't performing up to expectations due to a string a flops. There is a reason why its said that Disney goes through 10 year cycles, because its been that way for the past 40+ years. Its only been the last 15ish years where Disney seemed like they could do no wrong at the box office, it finally caught up with them.
And so while its fun to joke that Parks fund everything at the Walt Disney Company, in reality its whole that funds everything not one single division. And this is because Disney is a large conglomerate that isn't dependent on one single division anymore. Some years it Studios/TV that bring in the bulk of revenue, other years its Parks. Its the ebb and flow of corporate financing.
Phroobar
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With the current box office receipts, why would you think it would be successful?
Farerb
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It's a sequel to a successful and beloved movie.
Disstevefan1
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I am keeping an open mind on inside out 2.
As always, it comes down to the story.
If it’s a great story with great characters, it will be a success.
A good example is Godzilla minus one. How many Godzilla movies were made? A great story with great characters made this movie a success.
As always, it comes down to the story.
If it’s a great story with great characters, it will be a success.
A good example is Godzilla minus one. How many Godzilla movies were made? A great story with great characters made this movie a success.
Phroobar
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Inside Out came out nine years ago. It is no Toy Story or Cars so it isn't that beloved otherwise there wouldn't be a recycled Bug's Life ride. With the current box office receipts, I see it making half of Elemental at best since it isn't original and other companies have moved far beyond that animation style. There is nothing new to see there.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Normally I’d agree but we’re not in normal times, with traditional TV struggling, the movie division losing billions, and D+ also losing billions it feels like the Disney company is far more dependent on the parks income right now than they’ve probably been in several decades.
The parks are the one financial bright spot for Disney at the moment, the fact they aren't building anything new (domestically) right now indicates to me the parks are still offsetting everyone else’s losses, including their own loses during Covid.
It’s a sad time to be a Disney parks fan, they’ve talked about investing in the parks but until shovels actually hit dirt there’s nothing coming to the Disney parks to be excited about.
Disstevefan1
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The parks (especially WDW) has always been the cash cow for TWDC.
This has been talked about on these boards for decades.
They are spending money internationally though
TP2000
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I just don't know any more, and based off of the box office results that Disney has gotten in the last 60 days for their animated/family films, I am leaning towards the belief that Inside Out 2 will not break even, assuming it has the usual bloated $200 Million budget and a big marketing budget.
Phroobar already mentioned several reasons why it's doubtful to be a big hit, but I'll add these to the list...
- A clear trendline of box office hard data that show traditional Disney/Pixar audiences no longer show up automatically to Disney/Pixar movies. Not just in America, but overseas. Often, most notably overseas.
- Was Inside Out that impactful pop-culturally? I don't get the sense that it was. It's only representation in the parks is a hand me down and repainted spinner B Ticket at DCA left over from Bug's Land. And that's only because TDA still has a few execs who are smart enough to claw back ride capacity for their parks, unlike the less talented TDO execs.
- I have no recollection of any Inside Out costumes showing up at my front door on Halloween. Facts!
Disstevefan1
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Do we the numbers as to what Inside Out 2 cost to make and market?I just don't know any more, and based off of the box office results that Disney has gotten in the last 60 days for their animated/family films, I am leaning towards the belief that Inside Out 2 will not break even, assuming it has the usual bloated $200 Million budget and a big marketing budget.
Phroobar already mentioned several reasons why it's doubtful to be a big hit, but I'll add these to the list...
- A clear trendline and box office hard data and facts that show traditional Disney/Pixar audiences no longer show up automatically to Disney/Pixar movies. Not just in America, but overseas. Often, most notably overseas.
- Was Inside Out that impactful pop-culturally? I don't get the sense that it was. It's only representation in the parks is a hand me down and repainted spinner B Ticket at DCA left over from Bug's Land.
- I have no recollection of any Inside Out costumes showing up at my front door on Halloween. Facts!
TP2000
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Not officially, at least not yet. But back in 2015 the first Inside Out had a production budget of $175 Million.
And the last few Pixar releases have all had $200 Million budgets. Adjusted for inflation of the past few years, what cost $175 in 2015 would cost $224 in 2023. So a $200 Million budget is actually a steal for Pixar. Welcome to the 2020's!
Variety reports that Amy Poehler was paid $5 Million to reprise her voice role as Joy for Inside Out 2.
I'd bet two churros we'll find out this June it cost at least $200 Million.
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Disstevefan1
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OK lets say to make and market 270 million (200 to make and 70 to market)Not officially, at least not yet. But back in 2015 the first Inside Out had a production budget of $175 Million.
And the last few Pixar releases have all had $200 Million budgets. Adjusted for inflation of the past few years, what cost $175 in 2015 would cost $224 in 2023. So a $200 Million budget is actually a steal for Pixar. Welcome to the 2020's!
Variety reports that Amy Poehler was paid $5 Million to reprise her voice role as Joy for Inside Out 2.
I'd bet two churros we'll find out this June it cost at least $200 Million.
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Disney gets about half of the box office.
Therefore, to break even at the box office, they got to bring in 540 million globally.
Its possible they can break even or maybe make money.
IT WILL DEPEND ON THE STORY AND CHARACTERS!
I am going to keep an open mind but we will know fast when the YouTubers put out the reviews.
Good story, good characters result in good reviews, and folks will want to go to see it.
Bad story, bad characters result in bad reviews, and folks will stay home and (at best) wait for it to be "free" on Disney+
Phroobar
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I think it will be a repeat of Elemental (minus Korea saving the day). I bet it won't make $150m domestically during a month run. It will definitely make more than Wish and Lightyear.
However, unless there is something amazingly different in this, it won't be on my summer watching list. A sequel to that movie is just not that interesting.
Disstevefan1
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Why minus Korea? Sincerely, I do not know why?
As to sequels, I will go back to what I posted about Godzilla minus one. How many Godzilla movies were there?
Rocky 4 made the most money of all in the Rocky series.
I totally understand many have lost faith in Disney movies.
I also understand Disney's movie budgets are out of control and every movie they make (because of their our of control budgets) almost require the movie to be a blockbuster to break even or make money.
I will maintain, how well this movie does will come down to story and characters.
Disney Irish
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And while this isn't probably the best thread for this, if you actually look at the revenue Studios/TV (Entertainment) actually brought in more than Parks (Experiences) for 2023.
Disney revenue by segment 2023 | Statista
Disney's revenue breakdown shows that the Media and Entertainment segment generates the largest portion of revenue for the company.
www.statista.com
And so while the Parks do bring in more operating income than Studios/TV due to expenses, Studio/TV is still the bulk of where revenue came from in 2023. So yeah Parks do print money for the company due to its lower margins, but this has been the case for many decades now.
And speaking about the lack of domestic parks investments, how many years did WDW go without much new investment in the 2000s? Or how about the over 20 years Disneyland went without a brand new attraction in Walt's park? Some of you are making seem like this is a new thing just happening due to 2023 box office, when in reality there have always been ebbs and flows in park investments even when Studios were very healthy.