Will Epcot be pronounced dead soon?

copcarguyp71

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I guess then we can just shut down the boards because if there are no valid arguments concerning the integrity of the THEME parks we can all just go back to our hunt for Pokemon. Enough said lets get back to the point of this thread.

I guess my own personal thoughts are that by bringing in brands from "outside the bubble" only helps to reinforce and clarify the fact that WDW is the most ingenious mall ever created. From the time you walk through the gates you are parted from your money and happy for the opportunity to do so but by making the veil of disbelief so thin I personally see through the facade and realize I am there for no other reason than to spend my money. Starbucks (and McDonalds) didn't make it so but it does make it more apparent to the psyche. Again...just my own personal meanderings of thought.
 

graphite1326

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EPCOT has been dead for a long time now unfortunately. Guardians of the Galaxy will be the final nail in the coffin IMHO. :( Frozen Ever After set the precedent, and I fully expect the IP trend to continue into the long term future. I also do not think it is a lack of fresh ideas, rather a lack of willingness to take risks.
I am probably in the minority when I say that Frozen ruined Norway.
 

216bruce

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True in many cases. All information that can now be gotten on the internet. The Epcot concept could still work, but the attractions would need to be updated to meet the entertainment wants of today's population.
If they were to update it to today's 'wants' it could be "Walkaroundandlookatyourphoneland" or EPLAP (Every Person Looks At Phone).
 
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216bruce

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I think if you asked a lot of casual WDW go-ers (the bulk of it's business) to describe what they think EPCOT is or is supposed to be, they'd have no idea of it's history, Walt's intentions or any real 'theme' or purpose for it. To many it's- as alluded to above- 'a place with a couple of rides and then there's places to eat, shop and get drinks in other countries'. Judging by it's attendance, that's enough for most folks. All they want or expect is fulfilled by it's current state. The desire of much of the public to do much else apart from a few cool thrill rides, a meal and a beer or four is pretty easily met. The original or up to mid 90's EPCOT wouldn't be the choice for a lot of visitors. It'd be 'boring' to them. No Soarin', Test Track or Mission Space...just AA's, and some movies.....
 

Kylo Ken

Local Idiot
A lot of them wouldn't care. It's a park. It's Disney. It's got the golf ball.

Then they'd ask where Potter is.
THIS. Spot on as usual Marni.

Walking through the France Pavilion this weekend, I heard this "I think Space Mountain is by Test Track." My other favorite from Epcot this weekend, "Is this the park with the Spiderman ride?"

I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
 

OliveMcFly

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Speaking of dead things in Epcot, I just learned that a Off Kilter will be doing a free show at Celebrations fall festival in october. Here is another case of bad judgement when they let them go only to be replaced by a lumberjack show.
Lumberjack show? I'm on my way!
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TXDisney

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Epcot is far from the image Walt Disney wanted. Arguments can be made on if it's just natural adjusting to technology and all, but regardless the park isn't what it was designed for. WS is my favorite part of WDW, so Epcot will always be my favorite park. I love Soarin, TT, Mission Soace and Nemo, but they're not rides that go with the flow of the park. GG will just add on to that. It's almost like Epcot is 2 parks for me. Where the rides are and WS. I will say I'm torn on it though. Bc Epcot is not a park designed for kids and after all kids are the main reason most families and people go. So adding more rides and kid stuff makes Epcot a more rounded park for all ages. I for one will raise my children to find the beauty in every park. But not all people do that.
 

blueboxdoctor

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It's fine putting in popular things into EPCOT, I mean, how many people actually care about Ellen's Energy Adventure? What they have to do is strike a balance between movie rides and EPCOT type rides. While I don't like Finding Nemo that much, I don't mind it being in the aquarium, it draws attention towards the main attraction. I do wish they kept Horizons, mainly because I never had the chance to ride it and I tried the ride that replaced it, and even on the easy version I nearly got sick.

The thing is, Frozen is going to be a classic, everyone for years to come will see it. However, Guardians of the Galaxy, while enjoyable, doesn't feel like it has that same lasting power. While I don't like Avatar even a little bit, at least in Animal Kingdom it is able to lend its world, which will still fit well enough and doesn't rely on knowing the characters or story, it can be more subtle and leave room for creativity (especially since they are making a few more Avatar movies in new areas).
 

raven

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Epcot is far from the image Walt Disney wanted. Arguments can be made on if it's just natural adjusting to technology and all, but regardless the park isn't what it was designed for. WS is my favorite part of WDW, so Epcot will always be my favorite park. I love Soarin, TT, Mission Soace and Nemo, but they're not rides that go with the flow of the park. GG will just add on to that. It's almost like Epcot is 2 parks for me. Where the rides are and WS. I will say I'm torn on it though. Bc Epcot is not a park designed for kids and after all kids are the main reason most families and people go. So adding more rides and kid stuff makes Epcot a more rounded park for all ages. I for one will raise my children to find the beauty in every park. But not all people do that.
Walt wanted a city obviously but he also wanted a "permanent World's Fair," a concept that worked great at first but interest in the real World's Fairs died out just after Epcot opened. I love that whole idea but today's guests just don't understand it. They are more in tune with movies, tv and the internet....sadly.
 

epcotWSC

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The world of tomorrow can also easily be explored over the Internet. World Showcase works well because of the culture and festivals. Personally I'd love to see it expanded since it's my favorite part of Epcot.

Anyway, take out Soarin and Test Track and the rest of Future World is a whole lot of meh. There's only so much you can do from a futuristic standpoint since technology is constantly changing and we can only have so much interaction with "products of the future" before they're actually available to the general public.

It may be more prudent to turn epcot into a showcase of the world and its cultures rather than a look at tomorrow.
 

danyoung56

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I want to respond to the OP about this, but I want to do it carefully.

Do I think Epcot the park is different from E.P.C.O.T. Center? Of course - it's been simplified, homogenized. It's way off theme. I hate it when an attraction closes down and NOTHING goes in its place - like the entire Wonders of Life pavilion, or Innoventions. And even though I have yet to experience the Frozen attraction (and I'm hoping it's great!), I have a big problem with its location in the World Showcase.

With all that said, Epcot is still by far my favorite of the WDW parks. From the classic attractions like Spaceship Earth and yes, even Ellen, to the newbies like Soarin' and the new Test Track, I have a lot of fun on the rides. I really enjoy the long walk around the World Showcase, just soaking in the vibe. The Rose & Crown Pub is my favorite watering hole anywhere on the planet. I've had many terrific meals in the many Epcot restaurants, and I never seem to get tired of IllumiNations.

So for me, Epcot is far from dead. But I do wish the powers-that-be would work harder to keep things on theme, and to have new attractions they plan to put in before closing an area down.
 

Goofyernmost

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I guess then we can just shut down the boards because if there are no valid arguments concerning the integrity of the THEME parks we can all just go back to our hunt for Pokemon. Enough said lets get back to the point of this thread.
Theme parks, and not just Disney, have to operate with a balance of theme and practicality to provide for the needs of the guests. The theme is very well maintained by the external components of MSUSA. Other then that theme has no other purpose other then what would seem to be a museum like recreation of everything. That would be complete theme but lacking in the realities of the needs of guests that very much live in the 21st century. Without that balance the appeal would be lessened considerably. You may not like Starbucks (personally, I have no use for it either) however, many do appreciate it being there. It is a compromise between the past and the 21st century. I can assure you, from reading things from Walt Disney, that he did not want a museum.
Epcot is far from the image Walt Disney wanted. Arguments can be made on if it's just natural adjusting to technology and all, but regardless the park isn't what it was designed for. WS is my favorite part of WDW, so Epcot will always be my favorite park. I love Soarin, TT, Mission Soace and Nemo, but they're not rides that go with the flow of the park. GG will just add on to that. It's almost like Epcot is 2 parks for me. Where the rides are and WS. I will say I'm torn on it though. Bc Epcot is not a park designed for kids and after all kids are the main reason most families and people go. So adding more rides and kid stuff makes Epcot a more rounded park for all ages. I for one will raise my children to find the beauty in every park. But not all people do that.
You are correct about EPCOT being far from Walts Image. It isn't at all Walt's image. He wanted a city not a theme park. The WS was a different desire and in it's time would have been completely self sustaining, not in todays world however. People travel more, have access to the internet and TV and are exposed to other places on a daily basis that didn't exist back in Walt's day unless you were enormously wealthy.

As far as Future World, that was a convoluted idea on how to connect EPCOT and Walt's memory to a theme park. It was new and different, but, if you allow yourself, with the exception of a few things it is much more future now then it was back then. What was Future about Energy. What was future about The seas. What was future about the Land.They were all established things in a form or the other that were today, not tomorrow. The only one that came close was was Horizons. Even Imagination was a lecture on the possibilities that the imagination can and does create, but, it didn't project anything serious that didn't already exist. In many ways EPCOT was more designed for kids then even MK. MK was and is much more of a fantasy, amusing and fun place, but, not a whole lot was there to educate and show kids what they could expect in the future or what happened in the past in any reality. Epcot taught them things that they did not know and tried to present it in an entertaining way.

If as adults, we didn't already know about that stuff, we must have done a lot of daydreaming while we were in school. I don't remember learning anything at all that I didn't know before I got there. I was 35 when it opened. Married with two kids, I think that qualifies as grown up. I enjoyed it, but, I never learned anything that I didn't already know.
 

rk03221

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I loved Epcot, the world showcase and education involved were always my favorite. But the main problem with Epcot is that its not making them any money, only during the festivals really. Not only that but Epcot doesnt have the sponsors the other parks do to fund Future World like they used to. Also, I think it was very stupid of Disney to get rid of the original Imagination ride along with a few others, I love Mission Space and Test track but they need to update the Imagination ride, make it better and build a new Horizons ride somewhere. Honestly I think Disney should have just built a Fifth theme park and update the ones they have now, but I understand that costs alot of money.
 

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