Will Disneyland USA suffer? ALL Of Disney's Theme Parks Now Closed - Reopening Dates Unknown

[TP2000]

California has many problems like an affordability crisis, a large homeless population, high debt levels, but immigration is not one of them. The state has laws that allow them to not have illegal immigrants whom their economies rely on, be deported for traffic violations or calling 911 in an emergency or if someone commits a crime.

Stop politicizing this.

Effective quarantine measures are the only way to slow this down. If not for that COVID-19 would be growing exponentially, and it does in areas where it is not effective.

Overcrowded hospitals and the potential scale this can reach means there must be serious measures and effective leadership at all levels of government and corporations.

I agree we shouldn't politicize this. And I think Gavin Newsom is doing the right thing by blocking their entry into this country until we can get a plan in place for where to keep them.

But Gavin Newsom has for years and years been a supporter of open immigration, protection from federal immigration law for those entering the country illegally, and has openly allowed people to defecate and shoot up heroin in the streets of some of our nation's most beautiful cities. But suddenly he's a hardliner on letting in sick people on a cruise ship. That's fascinating to watch his 180 degree flip on immigration policy within just 48 hours!

I really do wonder how he handles the Grand Princess situation. I think he's going to have to flip-flop yet again and let the boat in to at least dock in San Francisco. Maybe they could moor it at Alcatraz and keep the folks over there for two weeks? I'm being kind of serious about that Alcatraz idea, it would at least allow the people to get off the boat for a change.

And again, this little chapter of the Coronavirus Freak Out is going to absolutely decimate the Disney Cruise Line business, especially heading into the busy spring sailing season. Add that to another issue that is going to be impacting the Parks very soon.

 

[A Noble Fish]

I agree we shouldn't politicize this. And I think Gavin Newsom is doing the right thing by blocking their entry into this country until we can get a plan in place.

But Gavin Newsom has for years and years been a supporter of open immigration, protection from federal immigration law for those entering the country illegally, and has openly allowed people to defecate and shoot up heroin in the streets of some of our nation's most beautiful cities. But suddenly he's a hardliner on letting in sick people on a cruise ship. That's fascinating to watch his 180 degree flip on immigration policy within just 48 hours!

I really do wonder how he handles the Grand Princess situation. I think he's going to have to flip-flop yet again and let the boat in to at least dock in San Francisco. Maybe they could moor it at Alcatraz and keep the folks over there for two weeks? I'm being kind of serious about that Alcatraz idea, it would at least allow the people to get off the boat for a change.

And again, this little chapter of the Coronavirus Freak Out is going to absolutely decimate the Disney Cruise Line business, especially heading into the busy spring sailing season. Add that to another issue that is going to be impacting the Parks very soon.

Oh yeah, Disney stock is going to tank further. It's not yet time to buy. Their movie-slate was already not only lower than last year's unprecedented numbers, but it was actually going to be weak anyway. Add outright cinema closures, theme parks, cruise ships, and more to that list and it's bad. Disney+ numbers will go up. Yay?

It's still a win of a longterm stock, but how they react to the short term will determine its potential for the long haul. Cutting future investments in the parks, cruise ships, and silver screen talent will only hurt them more, but cutting ops is a better money saver while they're still open.

 

[jerryp49]

This is confusing:
Currently, any Guest or Crew Member who has traveled from, to or through China, including Hong Kong and Macau, South Korea, Italy, Iran or Japan, within 14 days of departure will not be able to board our ships.

Followed by :

For cruises that include a stop in Nassau or Castaway Cay, please note that The Bahamas will not allow anyone to disembark in any Bahamian port if they have been to China, South Korea, Italy or Iran in the past 20 days prior to arrival. These Guests may be able to sail but will be unable to visit The Bahamas.

If they aren`t allowed to board , how are they on their way to to the Bahamas....and continue to sail..

 

[flutas]

This is confusing:
Currently, any Guest or Crew Member who has traveled from, to or through China, including Hong Kong and Macau, South Korea, Italy, Iran or Japan, within 14 days of departure will not be able to board our ships.

Followed by :

For cruises that include a stop in Nassau or Castaway Cay, please note that The Bahamas will not allow anyone to disembark in any Bahamian port if they have been to China, South Korea, Italy or Iran in the past 20 days prior to arrival. These Guests may be able to sail but will be unable to visit The Bahamas.

If they aren`t allowed to board , how are they on their way to to the Bahamas....and continue to sail..

14 days to board, 20 days to go to that list of countries.

 

[TP2000]

Oh yeah, Disney stock is going to tank further. It's not yet time to buy. Their movie-slate was already not only lower than last year's unprecedented numbers, but it was actually going to be weak anyway. Add outright cinema closures, theme parks, cruise ships, and more to that list and it's bad. Disney+ numbers will go up. Yay?

It's still a win of a longterm stock, but how they react to the short term will determine its potential for the long haul. Cutting future investments in the parks, cruise ships, and silver screen talent will only hurt them more, but cutting ops is a better money saver while they're still open.

It's one of those things were it just spirals and their biggest money makers; theme parks, cruise ships, and movies, are all in serious jeopardy now. Even if they get Shanghai and Tokyo open a week from now (Hong Kong wasn't making any money to begin with), the impacts to American tourism and movie-going are going to be a much bigger headache for Burbank for the next month at least.

Disney is on the cusp of kissing the Spring travel and entertainment season goodbye.

No wonder Bob Iger quit suddenly a week ago! He's not stupid. Bob Jr. has to deal with this mess now, and I kind of admire Bob Iger for doing that.

 

[BrianLo]

Just to beat this dead horse a little bit more...

South Korea today reported 309 new cases (new total of 6,593). So either they didn't test many people or you are correct, that their cases are plateauing.

03/02: 599
03/03: 851
03/04: 435
03/05: 467
03/06: 309

Italy today reported 778 cases (new total of 4,636). Here are their numbers for the past 5 days.

03/02: 335
03/03: 466
03/04: 587
03/05: 769
03/06: 778

Iran today reported 1,234 new cases (new total of 4,747) yesterday they reported 591 cases, as well as having a foreign minister's adviser die from Coronavirus. They appear to now taking steps like China, and quarantining entire cities, and provinces which should lead to it plateauing in a few weeks though.

03/02: 523
03/03: 835
03/04: 586
03/05: 591
03/06: 1,234

Iran and Italy both don't appear to have reached their peak yet, according to the numbers from today.

Thank you! That’s really all I was originally trying to say. Certainly if that increase is sustained in Iran - it’s still heading up.

For what it is also worth today is the first day the active cases started to backslide again. I’m not sure why South Korea is so much slower to report recovered cases. I would hazard they are trying to demonstrate multiple cleared PCR’s before qualifying them as recovered.

 

[BrianLo]

I can not even imagine going on a cruise now, anywhere. Not because I think I'm going to catch the Wuhan Flu and keel over and die in the middle of the Macarena contest, but because of the likelihood of someone on board coming down with it and then your ship being banned from entering any port.

Even the most liberal sanctuary state in the union, California, is suddenly a strict hardliner on immigration and refuses to let cruise ships dock in California ports if someone on board has Coronavirus.

What an absolute nightmare for all those people stuck on cruise ships currently, or who are about to be stuck on cruise ships when their boat tries to return to San Diego or Seattle or Fort Lauderdale in the next week. No thanks.

This is probably going to tank the cruise industry for months, and Disney Cruise Line is no exception. I can only imagine the panic levels in Burbank office suites this Friday afternoon.

Because my travel patterns are usually the harbinger of death to countries, I of course already had pre-meditated plans to go to most of these places in the coming year.

Japan in September, which now is likely going to be a dream. I definitely am going to take my parents on a Baltic cruise next year and I don't plan on changing that. At least it isn't a Princess ship. I'm sure prices will absolutely tank on all the above.


I have been on a cruise with a Norovirus outbreak actually, which is pretty common. But all that happened to us was having to be kicked off the boat in Oslo and sent on quite the expensive excursion as compensation (which they triggered, not me, I would have gotten off anyways).

I know I'm very laissez-fare, but I seriously have had the worst / best luck in the sense that a disaster befalls wherever I'm going, I go anyways and have a great time.

 

[TP2000]

For what it is also worth today is the first day the active cases started to backslide again. I’m not sure why South Korea is so much slower to report recovered cases. I would hazard they are trying to demonstrate multiple cleared PCR’s before qualifying them as recovered.

South Korea is currently doing a fun thing where they are testing literally hundreds of thousands of patients now for Coronavirus in a country of just 51 Million, the most testing of any country by far. In comparison only 2,000 Americans have been tested thus far for Coronavirus, out of a country of 330 Million.

They even offer drive-up testing service! Except those uniforms the carhops are wearing are really ugly, and they don't have roller skates.

As those testing results come in from South Korea and are tabulated over the next few days it's going to be a really great bulk of information for statisticians. And that's when we see the alarming "3.4%!" mortality rate suddenly fall quickly to something closer to a standard Flu statistic of less than 0.5%.

I may be too optimistic since the ability of Social Media to stoke panic is a new phenomenon, but I think we are about to hit peak panic on this issue. Two weeks from now we will have a great deal more information and hard statistics on this, and I think the fear factor and anxiety over the unknown will quickly dissipate.

At least that's my opinion from my rather tenured life experience perspective.

(I have no idea why the only old guy avatar is bald. I still have almost all my hair!)

 

[socalifornian]

It's one of those things were it just spirals and their biggest money makers; theme parks, cruise ships, and movies, are all in serious jeopardy now. Even if they get Shanghai and Tokyo open a week from now (Hong Kong wasn't making any money to begin with), the impacts to American tourism and movie-going are going to be a much bigger headache for Burbank for the next month at least.

Disney is on the cusp of kissing the Spring travel and entertainment season goodbye.

No wonder Bob Iger quit suddenly a week ago! He's not stupid. Bob Jr. has to deal with this mess now, and I kind of admire Bob Iger for doing that.

Box office projections were lowered a little for Onward

>>At this pace, projections show the Disney-Pixar release opening in the $37 million to $40 million range domestically in what would mark one of the lowest nationwide openings ever for the storied Pixar brand. Heading into the weekend, Onward was already tracking for a relatively modest domestic launch of $40 million to $45 million, meaning that expectations were muted for the original offering.

Box Office: ‘Onward’ Battling to Hit $40M in U.S. Opening

The animated family movie 'Onward' is having trouble finding its forward-looking groove at the Friday box office, according to early returns.

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[DrAlice]

They even offer drive-up testing service! Except those uniforms the carhops are wearing are really ugly, and they don't have roller skates.

Ack! Can you imagine the person about to shove a pipe cleaner-like testing swab up into your sinuses on roller skates?? haha...

With respect to the Grand Princess cruise ship not allowed to dock..... *sigh* I'm probably in the minority opinion, but I really think it's almost criminal to leave those people stuck on that ship. Princess' track record in Japan was terrible. They were not capable of keeping that virus contained in their pseudo-quarantine (see below). To be fair, I wouldn't expect a cruise line to know what to do in that situation. I just think that if our governor thinks there is enough of a hazard to prevent the ship from docking, then he should be prepared to back that up with allowing these people off the ship and put into an actual quarantine (Travis AFB, etc.). To leave them in there to infect one another, when most cruise-going passengers are of the age most at risk, just seems wrong to me.

For those that didn't follow the Diamond Princess story (Japan), the story seems to be that while the passengers were "quarantined" to their rooms, the crew absolutely was NOT quarantined. Sick crew members were bunking with healthy crew members. The healthy (but now infected) crew members were the people visiting the passengers to deliver food and supplies. In addition, there's been discussion about people on the ship touching cell phones, etc. with gloved hands and all sorts of quarantine no-no's. It was not good. The end result were ~700 infections and 6 deaths. Let's not repeat that mistake here.

 

[DrAlice]

Thanks @PiratesMansion for posting Disney Cruise line's new policies. I'm really happy to read this bit:
"In addition, all Guests and Crew Members will have their temperature checked by a nurse with a no touch thermometer prior to boarding, regardless if they are symptomatic or feel unwell. Additional medical screening will be required for anyone with a temperature of 100.4º F or greater, and they along with their travel party may be unable to sail. "

From what I'm seeing from people on Twitter, Princess was only asking passengers if they had a fever and taking their word for it. Looks like Disney is learning from Princess' mistakes.

 

[flutas]

With respect to the Grand Princess cruise ship not allowed to dock..... *sigh* I'm probably in the minority opinion, but I really think it's almost criminal to leave those people stuck on that ship. Princess' track record in Japan was terrible. They were not capable of keeping that virus contained in their pseudo-quarantine (see below). To be fair, I wouldn't expect a cruise line to know what to do in that situation. I just think that if our governor thinks there is enough of a hazard to prevent the ship from docking, then he should be prepared to back that up with allowing these people off the ship and put into an actual quarantine (Travis AFB, etc.). To leave them in there to infect one another, when most cruise-going passengers are of the age most at risk, just seems wrong to me.

Absolutely agree, Gov. Newsom should be personally held responsible for everyone that gets infected after today on that ship. He's basically forcing people to live in a petri dish of the bacteria for the foreseeable future instead of putting everyone in true quarantine.

 

[TP2000]

Ack! Can you imagine the person about to shove a pipe cleaner-like testing swab up into your sinuses on roller skates?? haha...

I hadn't thought of that. See, this is exactly why you are a brilliant doctor and I am not.

If I had been in charge of the Drive-Up Coronavirus Testing, the process would look like this...

The swabbing and sampling would be problematic, but the Tater Tots and milkshakes would make up for it.

With respect to the Grand Princess cruise ship not allowed to dock..... *sigh* I'm probably in the minority opinion, but I really think it's almost criminal to leave those people stuck on that ship.

Agreed. But isn't it fascinating to see how quickly California politicians can become hardliners on stuff like this? I'm still amazed by it.

Vice President Pence got involved today and the Grand Princess has moved away from the mouth of San Francisco Bay after being denied entry by Governor Newsom, and is now sailing down the coast tonight. The Vice President said the ship was headed to a "non-commercial port" and the passengers would immediately be taken off the ship and quarantined at a military base. It sounds to me like the Feds took over, the boat is heading to either Vandenberg Air Force Base or the Naval Station in San Diego, and should arrive by tomorrow.

Very interesting stuff!

 

[Curious Constance]

I hadn't thought of that. See, this is exactly why you are a brilliant doctor and I am not.

If I had been in charge of the Drive-Up Coronavirus Testing, the process would look like this...

The swabbing and sampling would be problematic, but the Tater Tots and milkshakes would make up for it.



Agreed. But isn't it fascinating to see how quickly California politicians can become hardliners on stuff like this? I'm still amazed by it.

Vice President Pence got involved today and the Grand Princess has moved away from the mouth of San Francisco Bay after being denied entry by Governor Newsom, and is now sailing down the coast tonight. The Vice President said the ship was headed to a "non-commercial port" and the passengers would immediately be taken off the ship and quarantined at a military base. It sounds to me like the Feds took over, the boat is heading to either Vandenberg Air Force Base or the Naval Station in San Diego, and should arrive by tomorrow.

Very interesting stuff!

How awful it would be to be on that ship

Also, I managed to snag one of the last two of my brand of toilet paper packs at the grocery store tonight!!!

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I have fully stocked a closet with plumber-approved flushable wipes.

 

[TP2000]

I have about a dozen rolls of toilet paper, 3-ply Charmin at that, spread across the house, plus about four boxes of Kleenex. I think I'm going to be okay. Deep breaths.

 

[lumberguy5]

Vice President Pence got involved today and the Grand Princess has moved away from the mouth of San Francisco Bay after being denied entry by Governor Newsom, and is now sailing down the coast tonight. The Vice President said the ship was headed to a "non-commercial port" and the passengers would immediately be taken off the ship and quarantined at a military base. It sounds to me like the Feds took over, the boat is heading to either Vandenberg Air Force Base or the Naval Station in San Diego, and should arrive by tomorrow.

Vandenberg is extremely unlikely, there is no infrastructure to dock or unload a ship like that. Port Hueneme or San Diego are the only places that could house the 4 thousand people on the ship. The sleeping situation would also be less than ideal for many.

Technically they could also dock the ship along the LA/LB Coast Guard base if they are planning to do an on-ship containment.

 

[Curious Constance]

I have fully stocked a closet with plumber-approved flushable wipes.

Those are a nice middle ground between toilet paper and a bidet.

 

[Sailor310]

This discussion has really gone into the toilet.

 

[Sailor310]

I checked marinetraffic.com. It looks like the Grand Princess is doing a racetrack course 65 miles from SF.