Shangai POTC does not have a height requirement. Does any Disney boat ride in the world have a height requirement?
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Will DCA be a Complete, Well Rounded and Full Day Park after the New Rides Open?
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Shangai POTC does not have a height requirement. Does any Disney boat ride in the world have a height requirement?
PiratesMansion
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Not that I'm aware of.
Well if by "for sure" you mean 100% ok but I'm hovering over here at around 99.9%
Right so I'd be shocked if they decided to make Avatar the first at park that desperately needs some family rides.
CaptinEO
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So I should have also mentioned and factored in square footage as that is really the trend now taking up massive plots of land for low capacity attractions.
For example Snow White has a capacity of 1100 per hour with a 6200 sq ft building. Rise of the Resistance has a 1500 per hour capacity with a 165,000 sq ft building.
In that space you can fit 26 Snow White's and a theoretical capacity of 28,600 people per hour vs RotR's 1500. Now don't get me wrong, of course you want different types of rides in a park. But at the end of the day Disney seems only intent on massive rides that are not people eaters.
Probably can attribute this to WDI needing to show off as well as incentivizing long queues with paid lightning lane (Disney is in a position where they create problems and charge the customer to resolve it).
In summary, the dark rides are amazing people eaters per square foot and WDI is too intent on having their execs appear on ABC TV specials to show off how lifelike the skin of a cartoon character can look on a 20 million dollar animatronic people will see for 10 seconds per ride.
Sources:
Snow White’s Scary Adventures to get new ‘happily ever after’ ending at Disneyland
Walt Disney Imagineering will update the interior and exterior of the Snow White’s Scary Adventures attraction during an extended renovation in 2020.
www.ocregister.com
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So I should have also mentioned and factored in square footage as that is really the trend now taking up massive plots of land for low capacity attractions.
For example Snow White has a capacity of 1100 per hour with a 6200 sq ft building. Rise of the Resistance has a 1500 per hour capacity with a 165,000 sq ft building.
In that space you can fit 26 Snow White's and a theoretical capacity of 28,600 people per hour vs RotR's 1500. Now don't get me wrong, of course you want different types of rides in a park. But at the end of the day Disney seems only intent on massive rides that are not people eaters.
Probably can attribute this to WDI needing to show off as well as incentivizing long queues with paid lightning lane (Disney is in a position where they create problems and charge the customer to resolve it).
In summary, the dark rides are amazing people eaters per square foot and WDI is too intent on having their execs appear on ABC TV specials to show off how lifelike the skin of a cartoon character can look on a 20 million dollar animatronic people will see for 10 seconds per ride.
Sources:
Snow White’s Scary Adventures to get new ‘happily ever after’ ending at Disneyland
Walt Disney Imagineering will update the interior and exterior of the Snow White’s Scary Adventures attraction during an extended renovation in 2020.
26 Snow Whites!! It’s crazy when you put it like that. lol. Especially when the capacity is so close. Which is kind of surprising it’s that close tbh. Those numbers dont account for how many people are being held in the queue right? Something to consider but to your point the people in the queue aren’t riding. But the park walkways are emptier.
So let’s say that with modern regulations that something like Snow White would need to be twice the size that’s still 13 Snow Whites. I think there a lot of reasons that they don’t go with this approach anymore. You and I have mentioned a few of them. I don’t think you could give the most recent billion dollar box office movie a small scale dark ride. I think the two scenarios you could do it are with an attraction based on an older golden era film or if they were to open a land with a few attractions simultaneously. But I still think that land would need to include an E ticket and then maybe 2 modern “Snow Whites” at least double the 1955 size.
CaptinEO
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Capacity doesn't count people waiting in a queue that is true. Yes arent the numbers insane?
I don't see why not though? They did this with Winnie the Pooh, Monsters Inc, and Little Mermaid in recent memory.
I think Disney has been in this rut of big E Ticket rides that they forget not everyone wants to line up for an hour to go on a ride with their kids.
It seems all they do now is E tickets or outdoor flat rides. Not everything has to be a mega big budget ride, we should be able to have both.
See what I mean though, its a mindset that newer movies need big huge rides. Why not fun dark rides with wooden cutouts? No massive show buildings just standard classic Disney themepark faire.
But I agree I don't think Disney should only make small footprint darkrides, just that DCA is lacking in them, especially once Avatar is being built and Monsters is gone.
I think an issue with DCA is those pier attractions don't serve the same function of something like Fantasyland in theming, capacity, and guest interest. Look how stacked fantasyland is with storybook cruise, the 4 dark rides, and Casey Jr. Meanwhile DCA offers some bad off the shelf commercial rides that seem like they're from Santa Monica Pier.
I think it's all about expectations. Pooh is an older, charming property so a smaller scale dark ride is in line with peoples expectations. Anything more like Hunny Hunt in Tokyo and people are blown away. Monsters Inc was a retheme of an existing attraction. So was Mermaid. Also look at how many discussions we've had here about how they dropped the ball on Mermaid or how they could/should plus it. Or how they should have went with Tony Baxter's (E Ticket) version. And Mermaid isn't even "new." Expectations for any newer box office smash like Moana would be so high that they could never get away with a small scale dark ride.
So I guess the question is when was the last time a smaller scale dark ride was built for a recent hit film? And the answer is... never. Not that I can think of off the top of my head. Like I said earlier, I believe it would have to be a package deal. You can kind of get away with a Navi River (which is still much grander than a Snow White) when it comes with a FOP and Pandora. And people are still 50/50 on that one. You could get away with a more small charming dark ride for very old IP like Bambi, Aristocats, Lady and the Tramp, Cinderella etc. With those IP, people would just be thrilled to finally get an attraction. It's all about meeting or surpassing expectations. Walk into an unassuming building in NOS and end up dropping down into a 15 minute adventure with Pirates. Use the animated segments from the 40 year old SotS but make it the most bad@$$ flume ride ever. Base the newest attraction at the park on a newer billion dollar+ property like Moana for a Fantasyland dark ride? I don't think that works.
I don't disagree on the Pier. It should have been designed with at least a dark ride or two. Soon it will have three if you want to count Mermaid and TSMM. They should have included a small dark ride with Bugs land too but I guess ITTBAB kind of filled that role. But DCA is just such an anomaly and interesting case. It's why we all spend so many hours talking about it. The head scratching flop that was DCA 1.0, its never ending evolving nature, spending hundred of millions of dollars on rethemes, the fact that is a 100 feet away from Disneyland etc.
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SuddenStorm
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My assumption is that Disney, at least internally, still views DCA as the teen/adult park- hence the alcohol sales and emphasis on thrill rides. And why the hold Grand Nite there now.
SuddenStorm
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Coco should be also.
Misted Compass
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The Rollercoaster Tycoon method!
MarvelCharacterNerd
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Ah, I thought that one did given the rougher looking ride. But I still anticipate this as more of a thrill ride than the Na'vi River thing which even I thought was boring as heck. Though granted, I have no interest in Avatar whatsoever.
truecoat
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They must be drooling over how many single-ride Lightning Lanes they will sell.
I still hate the naming convention for these things.
BrianLo
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Quite the opposite. SP only works on high demand, low-moderate capacity attractions. I doubt it will be a single product.
chadwpalm
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- In the Parks
- No
Though I honestly wouldn't put it past Disney to find some way to lower the hourly capacity so they can sell LLSP for it.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I wouldn't expect them to lower capacity just to sell LL, but nothing prevents them from selling it anyways especially for a new attraction. We've seen in recent years with them adding (and then taking off) LL on high capacity attractions like Pirates. So no doubt they would do it, at least initially, for Avatar too, even for SP.
BrianLo
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Undoubtedly, it will be on Multi-pass. I just am strongly betting against SP.
