Why the DHS hate?

[bethymouse]

My goodness, such a heated discussion!
I guess if you want history, then expose the kids to Gettysburg, Williamsburg, Jamestown, St. Mary's City, Md, Baltimore's Inner Harbor/Ft Mchenry, Washington DC Arlington Cemetery/ WWII Memorial/MLK Memorial....
The list goes on...
While I am grateful to Disney for educational opportunities ( otherwise kids would have no purpose to go to WDW during school time) , WDW is a place for children and parents to have FUN together! That said, DHS could use something extra/different/better- just SOMETHING other than what it has already! I am not saying to do away w/ GMR - my guys like it, but DHS just needs something else to it for its overall appeal IMHO.

 

[DisDadEddie]

True...but if you build nothing but kiddie rides then what are you going to do when the children grow up a bit? When they grow up completely?

Walt never said that they have to have fun at the same time as long as they are together at his parks.

Not all kiddie rides, more family rides. When my kids grow up they could still enjoy them, and when they have kids I could enjoy them with my grandchildren. Rides that would stand the test of time like Dumbo, Haunted Mansion,and the Tea Cups. Something you could enjoy alone or with friends and family.

 

[vinnya1726]

Without kids there would be no Disney!

We believed in our idea - a family park where parents and children could have fun- together. ​

Walt Disney ​

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I agree with Walt...I think we can have it all and HS could give us many options for everyone. HS needs some major upgrades, but it still must remain a family friendly park. Disney does not need to create a park full of thrill rides to satisfy one faction of the population. They need to balance what they have. DHS needs another thrill ride now doubt, but it also needs some more family friendly lines. 120 minute wait times for the major family attraction in the park is unacceptable. The key word is Family...this is not universal and just because they do all these thrill rides does not mean we have to create a world just like them. In case anyone has missed it, they are still making plenty of money at WDW.

 

[vinnya1726]

My goodness, such a heated discussion!
I guess if you want history, then expose the kids to Gettysburg, Williamsburg, Jamestown, St. Mary's City, Md, Baltimore's Inner Harbor/Ft Mchenry, Washington DC Arlington Cemetery/ WWII Memorial/MLK Memorial....
The list goes on...
While I am grateful to Disney for educational opportunities ( otherwise kids would have no purpose to go to WDW during school time) , WDW is a place for children and parents to have FUN together! That said, DHS could use something extra/different/better- just SOMETHING other than what it has already! I am not saying to do away w/ GMR - my guys like it, but DHS just needs something else to it for its overall appeal IMHO.

Perfectly Said.

 

[spacemt354]

First time I went to DHS (MGM), I did the same thing! Everyone was mad at me because I didn't know where I was going or what I was doing!

That's the same thing with my family. We like to think we can navigate around the parks without using maps because we have been there a lot. But for the longest time we kept on having to look at the map of DHS. I'm not sure why but we could never get to the Muppets for some reason haha. We would always make a wrong turn somewhere or take the most circuitous route possible to get there. It drove us crazy and was the running joke of most of our trips to DHS. "So we actually gonna get to the Muppets this time?" haha

 

[vinnya1726]

I agree that this park lacks a unifying identity. Things are placed in such random areas. You have Pixar Place in the back of the park, yet Pizza Planet is next to the Muppets. You have the old hollywood themed streets as you walk into the park, but make a quick left and you see the modernized american idol, as well as a random lake with a boat and dinosaur? And the rest of the park is just such a mess. It's so congested. I thought the whole point of going to Florida was for the blessing of size that they didn't have in california. Why go to Florida to then build a park with such narrow, winding streets that lead to dead ends? If you look on google earth, there is plenty of room around DHS so that they could have built an Epcot sized park.

And from my family's experiences going in the summer, the nighttime Extra Magic Hours are rarely ever worth it. At the other parks, the night EMH tends to disperse the crowds and bring the wait times down for the most park. Yet in DHS, they only have like 5 rides open, 3 of which generate most of the crowds (ToT, RnRC, TSMM) And now on top of the park being narrow and congested, everyone in the park is now gravitating towards those rides. So rather than riding RnRC over and over, you're lucky you get on once while also hitting the other rides you want to see.

Some changes that could be made? First, update the park's signature attraction, the Great Movie Ride. I would do a spaceship earth time travel concept where you start with the old classics like singing in the rain, wizard of oz, then work your way through the progression of cinema. I think that's what the point of the ride is now, but we seem to have stalled the progress of cinema at like 1980 haha, and then we randomly go back in time to the wizard of oz at the end. So going form the past to the present of film is what I would focus the update on. And last scene could be on an imax screen or in 3D, showing how even the way we watch movies have progressed through time.

Then the rest of the park is really up for grabs. I would try to make concrete lands to try and unify areas of the park. Lucasland, or Sci-Fi land, could be one "land" An expansion of Pixar Place and an addition of Marvel could be down the road as well. I just hope it's not too far away.

Creating separate lands would be great idea and help with the identity. I like your idea with the GMR, something needs to happen with that attraction.

 

[bethymouse]

Not all kiddie rides, more family rides. When my kids grow up they could still enjoy them, and when they have kids I could enjoy them with my grandchildren. Rides that would stand the test of time like Dumbo, Haunted Mansion,and the Tea Cups. Something you could enjoy alone or with friends and family.

My Mom, 72 years old, still loves the teacups!

 

[DisDadEddie]

I agree with Walt...I think we can have it all and HS could give us many options for everyone. HS needs some major upgrades, but it still must remain a family friendly park. Disney does not need to create a park full of thrill rides to satisfy one faction of the population. They need to balance what they have. DHS needs another thrill ride now doubt, but it also needs some more family friendly lines. 120 minute wait times for the major family attraction in the park is unacceptable. The key word is Family...this is not universal and just because they do all these thrill rides does not mean we have to create a world just like them. In case anyone has missed it, they are still making plenty of money at WDW.

I was starting to get the feeling that family didn't matter any longer with all the negative responses about having rides for kids to enjoy. I love my kids and want to see them enjoy themselves, that is what makes me happy. Thank you for responding with the value of Family.

 

[unkadug]

Not all kiddie rides, more family rides. When my kids grow up they could still enjoy them, and when they have kids I could enjoy them with my grandchildren. Rides that would stand the test of time like Dumbo, Haunted Mansion,and the Tea Cups. Something you could enjoy alone or with friends and family.

With the exception of the Haunted Mansion you are insinuating that Disney needs more carnival types rides. Why go to Disney then if all you want are those types of rides?

And the Haunted Mansion scares the bejeebus out of a lot of kids.

 

[J03Y]

Is there not a snake in the DHS version? I could have sworn the snake version of Jafar was in the show.

the one in DL is... Kaa i believe. but it's meh. i didn't really like the Jafar one anyway tbh.

 

[spacemt354]

Not all kiddie rides, more family rides. When my kids grow up they could still enjoy them, and when they have kids I could enjoy them with my grandchildren. Rides that would stand the test of time like Dumbo, Haunted Mansion,and the Tea Cups. Something you could enjoy alone or with friends and family.

I completely agree. Rides that the whole family can enjoy are what makes Disney great, which is the reason why for the longest time, no ride in Fantasyland had a height restriction. That was on purpose so that everyone in the family, young or old, can enjoy the rides. And with Barnstormer and the new mine train, even though it has a height limit, it's probably only like 35 inches or something, so it still supports that same family message Fantasyland was founded on. Also, my grandparents come down with us all the time, and even though they are both in their 70s, they can still ride a lot of the attractions with us. If they went with us to Universal or somewhere else more thrill oriented, they would be sitting on a park bench the whole time watching us ride, just like Walt was when he came up with the idea of disneyland. Disney's main goal was for the parents and the children to have fun together, because he didn't want anyone sitting on that park bench he sat on. That is what makes wdw great and that is why we keep going back because the main goal of the resort is quality family fun.

 

[DisDadEddie]

With the exception of the Haunted Mansion you are insinuating that Disney needs more carnival types rides. Why go to Disney then if all you want are those types of rides?

And the Haunted Mansion scares the bejeebus out of a lot of kids.

I give up! I guess kids are not as important to as many Disney lovers as I believed. As for Haunted Mansion my kids love it at 2 & 6.I go to Disney to enjoy time with my family, not for just rides. It would be no fun without my family to me.

Family is not an important thing, it's everything.
Michael J. Fox
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[2bornot2be]

My goodness, such a heated discussion!
I guess if you want history, then expose the kids to Gettysburg, Williamsburg, Jamestown, St. Mary's City, Md, Baltimore's Inner Harbor/Ft Mchenry, Washington DC Arlington Cemetery/ WWII Memorial/MLK Memorial....
The list goes on...
While I am grateful to Disney for educational opportunities ( otherwise kids would have no purpose to go to WDW during school time) , WDW is a place for children and parents to have FUN together! That said, DHS could use something extra/different/better- just SOMETHING other than what it has already! I am not saying to do away w/ GMR - my guys like it, but DHS just needs something else to it for its overall appeal IMHO.

well said!

 

[unkadug]

I give up! I guess kids are not as important to as many Disney lovers as I believed. As for Haunted Mansion my kids love it at 2 & 6.I go to Disney to enjoy time with my family, not for just rides. It would be no fun without my family to me.

Family is not an important thing, it's everything. ​

Michael J. Fox ​

​

Disney is for EVERYONE...not JUST kids.

I don't agree with your advocacy of a kiddie park.

 

[spacemt354]

With the exception of the Haunted Mansion you are insinuating that Disney needs more carnival types rides. Why go to Disney then if all you want are those types of rides?

And the Haunted Mansion scares the bejeebus out of a lot of kids.

I think he was just referring to family type rides, not really carnival rides. I don't really see dumbo and teacups as carnival rides, although that's just my opinion. I think the bigger picture being referred to was family rides like Soarin', Pirates of the Carribean, Spaceship Earth, and others that have become family classics. Rides that the whole family can enjoy, and not just a select few who can withstand inversions and g-force. Yes, disney has those thrill rides too, but a majority of their attractions are rides in which family members, young and old, can enjoy together.

 

[unkadug]

I think he was just referring to family type rides, not really carnival rides. I don't really see dumbo and teacups as carnival rides, although that's just my opinion. I think the bigger picture being referred to was family rides like Soarin', Pirates of the Carribean, Spaceship Earth, and others that have become family classics. Rides that the whole family can enjoy, and not just a select few who can withstand inversions and g-force. Yes, disney has those thrill rides too, but a majority of their attractions are rides in which family members, young and old, can enjoy together.

Maybe that's what you mean, but that's not what he said.

And how can you not consider the teacups and dumbo as carnival rides when EVERY major carnival system features these very same rides without the extra themeing?

 

[J03Y]

Without kids there would be no Disney!

We believed in our idea - a family park where parents and children could have fun- together. ​

Walt Disney ​

​

and what's the idea of a park that focuses on all ages if you don't allow for a park meant to appeal to teens most of all have rides that will appeal to teens?

 

[spacemt354]

Disney is for EVERYONE...not JUST kids.

Exactly, which is why "everyone" can go on a majority of the rides. They have rides for thrill seekers such as Rockin Roller Coaster and Mission Space, and then they have rides for little kids too, like Dumbo and winnie the pooh. Disney is not just for kids. Anyone who has been there before knows that is not true.

 

[unkadug]

Exactly, which is why "everyone" can go on a majority of the rides. They have rides for thrill seekers such as Rockin Roller Coaster and Mission Space, and then they have rides for little kids to like Dumbo and winnie the pooh. Disney is not just for kids. Anyone who has been there before knows that is not true.

We agree then...I'm only disagreeing with the idea of all attractions being designed for kids only. Which is what disdadeddie seems to be advocating.

 

[DisDadEddie]

Disney is for EVERYONE...not JUST kids.

I don't agree with your advocacy of a kiddie park.

Who ever said a kiddie park? Adding a couple kid friendly rides makes it a family park. If you visited the park with children is the only way to understand this. FAMILY, not kiddie!BALANCE IN HOLLYWOOD STUDIOS! I love the thrill rides, but my kids have little to do. Disney is not and never will be an all adult park experience. If it is for EVERYONE why can't their be kids/family rides? EVERYONE does include children, doesn't it? Never said all rides! This is only referring to the lack of family rides added to what is already in HS. Sorry for thinking children counted!