Why Hollywood Studios is being rebuilt

[Pixiedustmaker]

I don't want to talk about it because with you a debate is completely one-sided, you seem fixated with a fifth gate so an attempt at any kind of reasonable debate is pointless because it always comes back to the same thing. I believe a Star Wars Land at DHS is far more likely to happen than a fifth gate so we're clearly on opposite sides of the spectrum. If you've written off everything DHS-related as wild rumours then that's your prerogative, you might just find yourself proven wrong one day soon.

If there was room for a full sized Carsland at DHS, in say an empty lot, then I would conclude Disney would ask JL and figure about putting in a Carsland there. I'm not against the idea if it was feasible and realistic. Un-realistic fans who monger rumors so they can feel they are putting pressure on Disney (and they don't care if folks are disappointed on this site) are the problem.

You keep attacking me, yet talking about how you don't want to get drawn into a debate . . . a debate of the facts?

Well, there were rumors maybe six months ago that the bulldozers were getting ready for Carsland at DHS. I was told flat out that I was a fool to not think that Disney wouldn't want to make money off of Carsland at DHS, despite logistical issues, Osbourne Lights, and the history of expansion at the company.

Well, maybe over half a year later I see no bulldozers, the insiders are mysteriously quiet.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

And you are what?

I love Carsland, it's a great land at DCA. I am very skeptical of claims that Carsland will come to DHS, if there was an empty lot behind DHS, and if a range of logistical issues were cleared, then it would make sense. I am pro-Star Wars, but I guess if I tell you that Spaceship Earth won't become a Death Star next month you cry that I hate Star Wars too!

If the brass asked a developer where it would be easiest/cheapest to build Carsland, it wouldn't be at DHS . . . at face value it seems like something a fan would have thought up.

 

[GLaDOS]

I love Carsland, it's a great land at DCA. I am very skeptical of claims that Carsland will come to DHS, if there was an empty lot behind DHS, and if a range of logistical issues were cleared, then it would make sense. I am pro-Star Wars, but I guess if I tell you that Spaceship Earth won't become a Death Star next month you cry that I hate Star Wars too!

No, not really. I just think it's funny you're continually calling people with more knowledge on the situation than you've presented biased.

 

[FrankLapidus]

If there was room for a full sized Carsland at DHS, in say an empty lot, then I would conclude Disney would ask JL and figure about putting in a Carsland there. I'm not against the idea if it was feasible and realistic. Un-realistic fans who monger rumors so they can feel they are putting pressure on Disney (and they don't care if folks are disappointed on this site) are the problem.

You keep attacking me, yet talking about how you don't want to get drawn into a debate . . . a debate of the facts?

Well, there were rumors maybe six months ago that the bulldozers were getting ready for Carsland at DHS. I was told flat out that I was a fool to not think that Disney wouldn't want to make money off of Carsland at DHS, despite logistical issues, Osbourne Lights, and the history of expansion at the company.

Well, maybe over half a year later I see no bulldozers, the insiders are mysteriously quiet.

Attacking you? Really? If you have an issue with how I've responded with you then contact a mod but I have not attacked you in the slightest so don't accuse me of doing so.

I'm not interested in getting into a debate with you on this particular matter full-stop, whether it be a debate of fact or fiction, I made that mistake before and have no interest in repeating it. Time will tell whether or you are proven right or wrong, we will just have to see what will happen at DHS.

 

[jt04]

Interestingly, there was a post regarding "news" that somebody on another website was told by anonymous sources saying that DHS would get Carsland, StarWarsland and some Pixar rides. The author was obviously biased, and this thread has the exact same flavor.

Pixar has a special interest in Carsland, especially JL, he won't go with 1/2 a Carsland. Carsland is cool to walk around, yet you wish there was one more ride. I think 1/2 a Carsland would be a failure, and would be constantly compared to its superior cousin in DCA. Plus . . . Carsland get super hot! Florida has more humidity and heat than Anaheim . . . Carsland might be insufferable in the summer there if they don't add more shade.

Unless the attraction was an indoor version. If WDW gets a Carsland, then I think it is a safe assumption that it will be an indoor version. At least the anchor attraction. Remember that if they do Carsland that it would likely be part of the larger "Pixar Place" and not a stand alone 'land'. It does not need to fill the same role as was necessary at DCA. Apples/Oranges.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

No, not really. I just think it's funny you're continually calling people with more knowledge on the situation than you've presented biased.

I think it is obvious that the guy who wrote the article about Carsland, Star Warsland, and Pixar rides coming to DHS was just recycling rumors and had no real information . . .

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

Unless the attraction was an indoor version. If WDW gets a Carsland, then I think it is a safe assumption that it will be an indoor version. At least the anchor attraction. Remember that if they do Carsland that it would likely be part of the larger "Pixar Place" and not a stand alone 'land'. It does not need to fill the same role as was necessary at DCA. Apples/Oranges.

RSR is partially indoors at DCA and even the outdoor portions and queue have a decent amount of shade. The big issue is the heat on Radiator Spring's main street . . . and the lack of trees as it is supposed to be the desert.

Not argue about theoreticals, but "place making" and highly detailed lands, versus standalones, seems to be the direction presently. Not sure how a hodge-podge of Pixar offerings would fit into that.

 

[Turtle]

Well according to fine print of that version of the rumor DHS actually ends up with LESS attractions than they have now. Can't be.

But none of those "attractions" that they're losing are rides. Just shows, a horrible "movie studio" backlot tour, and playgrounds.

 

[jt04]

RSR is partially indoors at DCA and even the outdoor portions and queue have a decent amount of shade. The big issue is the heat on Radiator Spring's main street . . . and the lack of trees as it is supposed to be the desert.

Not argue about theoreticals, but "place making" and highly detailed lands, versus standalones, seems to be the direction presently. Not sure how a hodge-podge of Pixar offerings would fit into that.

Leave that to the Imagineers.

I'd just say once the back of dwarf mountain is complete you might have a better idea of how of how such "mini-lands" could work.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

But none of those "attractions" they're losing are rides. Just shows, a horrible "movie studio" backlot tour, and playgrounds.

I don't think they'll take out Osbourne Lights on Streets of America, so probably not full sized Carsland inside of DHS, not surprised as demolition would be expensive.

If they take out Backlot, they could expand back and add another dark ride in Pixar Place though.

LMA and Backlot do move a lot of guests, and foreigners especially seem to still be interested in Hollywood concept.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

Leave that to the Imagineers.

I'd just say once the back of dwarf mountain is complete you might have a better idea of how of how such "mini-lands" could work.

I'm not arguing that Pixar Place couldn't get a new dark ride if they take out Backlot. No big deal, but nothing as grand as Carsland either.

The whole "land" concept at DHS has been kinda ignored with regards to attractions built to boost attendance, IMO.

 

[Turtle]

Correct Me If I'm Wrong but this is how DHS' lands will be if this expansion is coming:

Hollywood Boulevard
Sunset Boulevard
The Galaxy of Star Wars
Streets of America
Cars Land
Pixar Place
Animation Courtyard
Sunset Boulevard

 

[Goofyernmost]

No, I never thought FL was in response to anything and believed the line that it was a capacity build. I didn't expect it to rival HP (which by the way I've never laid eyes on in person) or even compare the two. Mine Train should have opened with the expansion, that was a mistake on their part. And in my humble opinion they could open a restaurant like BOG in every land and they would be booked at the 180 day mark.

Sorta...it was crowd dispersion build. Capacity is more of a safety thing in the event that evacuation is needed. Someone (don't know who) makes a determination of how many people can they get out of the park in a prescribed amount of time. That won't change with the building of FLE. Unless they have put in some more evacuation routes, it wouldn't matter. And they wouldn't spend that many millions to take care of something that only happens a couple times a year anyway. At those times, I don't think Disney really cares if we are all stacked like cord wood, but for the sake of better people flow more accessible areas and additional attractions were necessary, just to make life easier for everyone.

 

[Turtle]

Correct Me If I'm Wrong but this is how DHS' lands will be if this expansion is coming:

Hollywood Boulevard
Sunset Boulevard
The Galaxy of Star Wars
Streets of America
Cars Land
Pixar Place
Animation Courtyard
Sunset Boulevard

If true, then it'll still be a in-cohesive mess (but a much better in-cohesive mess).

For it to work all the "real studio" lands have to go (Animation Courtyard and Streets of America)

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

So they need to focus on making the parks "so good" first in order to get to the point where they could justify the fifth gate.

The integral criteria for building a fifth gate is whether it will make money, and whether they can make money faster by building in Brazil, or even a second gate in Hong Kong. There's this fan idea that if the other four parks aren't in tip top condition (though they are making money) then somebody won't give Burbank permission to do the fifth gate. Sure, fans can say, "I want the theme parks of my childhood to look perfect and have new stuff and if you do a fifth gate without doing this then I will be upset."

Well . . . a fifth gate would certainly garner a lot of publicity, and would ease guest pressure on the other parks so that refurbs could more easily be done.

 

[jt04]

I'm not arguing that Pixar Place couldn't get a new dark ride if they take out Backlot. No big deal, but nothing as grand as Carsland either.

The whole "land" concept at DHS has been kinda ignored with regards to attractions built to boost attendance, IMO.

We shall see. I am very optimistic about the future of the park.

Pandora and Star Wars will be to WDW what Carsland is to the DLR if the rumors are true. IMO.

People on these boards really need to learn to think outside the box more.

 

[jt04]

Correct Me If I'm Wrong but this is how DHS' lands will be if this expansion is coming:

Hollywood Boulevard
Sunset Boulevard
The Galaxy of Star Wars
Streets of America
Cars Land
Pixar Place
Animation Courtyard
Sunset Boulevard

This is what I would think. Someone suggested the "studios" would be at the back of the park and the recreated "Hollywood" towards the front. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

Sorta...it was crowd dispersion build. Capacity is more of a safety thing in the event that evacuation is needed. Someone (don't know who) makes a determination of how many people can they get out of the park in a prescribed amount of time. That won't change with the building of FLE. Unless they have put in some more evacuation routes, it wouldn't matter. And they wouldn't spend that many millions to take care of something that only happens a couple times a year anyway. At those times, I don't think Disney really cares if we are all stacked like cord wood, but for the sake of better people flow more accessible areas and additional attractions were necessary, just to make life easier for everyone.

I don't think this is accurate as new land/attractions add to capacity (in an official fire marshall manner), which is based on fire in a localized area . . . not guests running and screaming out the main entrance/exit.

When Pirates goes 101 the official capacity of MK, as per fire marshall, changes.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

If true, then it'll still be a in-cohesive mess (but a much better in-cohesive mess).

For it to work all the "real studio" lands have to go (Animation Courtyard and Streets of America)

Doubt that Streets of America will go as the area hosts Osbourne Lights.

Look at DCA . . . Paradise Pier is still un-cohesive crappy-land of off the shelf rides.

Disney doesn't make hundreds of millions of dollars in changes on purely artistic grounds.

 

[GLaDOS]

Paradise Pier is still un-cohesive crappy-land of off the shelf rides.

Paradise Pier is better than anything in DAK or DHS.