Pixiedustmaker
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I think DAK, ( and a lot of DHS) is better than Paradise Pier, by a long shot, and I think most people would agree with that sentiment.
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Why Hollywood Studios is being rebuilt
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I think DAK, ( and a lot of DHS) is better than Paradise Pier, by a long shot, and I think most people would agree with that sentiment.
GLaDOS
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I should have said as a land, it's better than any land in either park. Hell, it has more RIDES than either park.
spaceghost
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So....does Fantasmic! factor into the "rebuild" at all? Either with a replacement or a legitimate upgrade to bring it in line with DL? (Murphy!) Any good full day park has a good nighttime offering. F! is a great show, but showing its age...
G00fyDad
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Because Star Wars doesn't have books associated with it, right? I'll let you think on that for a little bit before you decide to retort.
And as for a fanbase, Star wars clearly outstrips HP. In every way. To say otherwise is just being delusional.
NX2I85
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The thing that bothers me about this whole deal is the hint that Disney is going to do a half-way job with both CL and SWL because they are evidently cheapskates. How very pathetic that Disney managers look longingly at the hordes of people queued up to buy Butter Beer and magic wands at Universal, and think they can generate the same thing with a half-hearted attempt at SWL.
Disney should take a deep breath and realize something very important: Guests can spot an inferior product. Nobody likes chintzy. Nobody wants to own a piece of chintzy. Nobody wants to revisit chintzy year after year.
Disney should take a deep breath and realize something very important: Guests can spot an inferior product. Nobody likes chintzy. Nobody wants to own a piece of chintzy. Nobody wants to revisit chintzy year after year.
G00fyDad
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Mister Boo
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Because Star Wars doesn't have books associated with it, right? I'll let you think on that for a little bit before you decide to retort.
Those Star Wars books are not remotely analogous. Read by a small percentage of diehards and only after coming to the property thru the films.
PeterAlt
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The Fifth Gate, according to the RCID Future Land Use Plan, is to be located on the land east of World Drive and north of EC and southeast of the MK parking lot, including the abandoned airstrip, and including where the EPCOT monorail runs through. This park can share the MK parking lot and there is already a monorail link (all it needs is a station). I don't know they didn't build DHS there.
G00fyDad
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Okay. I will concede that the SW books are not nearly as popular as the HP books. To do otherwise would be ludicrous. However, to try to say that HP is more popular than SW is the same as saying that the sky is green. No one is buying that story.
doctornick
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Yeah, I'm sorry, I don't buy that they'd close down IJ stunt show, Muppetvision, LMA and Backlot Tour and only add 3 rides and a SW show. For starters, that's a ton of land being repurposed for such a small amount of stuff. Secondly, even as cynical as we all might be about TDO, I can't imagine that they wouldn't recognize a need to increase capacity (especially removing stuff like IJ which services a lot of people each day).
Do they want to build food and merch to monitize guest more directly? Of course. But they know they need to ride/attraction capacity first to bring the people in. If they are disappointed in DHS's attendance numbers as is (especially people only coming for shorter hours to the park as opposed to all day) then this doesn't sound like the plan to fix that.
I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical. If SOA is going away in addition to LMA/Backlot Tour, that's a pretty massive expansion area which is going to be for more than 2 Cars rides.
PeterAlt
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The RCID Future Land Use Plan shows the DHS expansion area west of World Drive. They could bridge the two sides or create pedestrian tunnels to connect the two halves without rerouting World Drive.
PeterAlt
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Disney could preempt them and Uni will respond by shelving their third gate until the market is ready.
Mister Boo
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Okay. I will concede that the SW books are not nearly as popular as the HP books. To do otherwise would be ludicrous. However, to try to say that HP is more popular than SW is the same as saying that the sky is green. No one is buying that story.
In spirit, I'm not really saying that, or at least didnt mean to. I said it arguably could have more longevity, more a devils advocate position than anything else. In fact I was hoping to take the stance that both IPs are about as strong as any in existence--making Star Wars pretty much the ideal Potter swatter in as much as, executed properly, it's the only thing that actually provide adequate competition.
Goofyernmost
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You could very well be right, but I see it as two completely different situations. There is attraction capacity (how many can be in a building or specific area simultaneously) and then there is park capacity. Fire Marshal's would probably determine either one. If CoP had to shut down, it doesn't change the number of people that can be allowed in the park and they don't close the park because one or more attractions have reached their individual limit. Having one or more major attractions closed might have an affect on traffic flow within the park. It might make it more congested but it will not make MK close because they still have room within the confines to handle X number of people and get them out safely. Certainly not running and screaming because Disney guests are far to sophisticated to panic.
unkadug
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They are intrinsically intertwined. The Fire Marshall capacity is based on number of people per square feet (among other things). If enough attractions close down, that puts all those people that were in the queue and inside the attraction back on the pavement of the park itself, thereby increasing the people per square feet and decreasing the parks actual ability to handle the size of the crowd.You could very well be right, but I see it as two completely different situations. There is attraction capacity (how many can be in a building or specific area simultaneously) and then there is park capacity. Fire Marshal's would probably determine either one. If CoP had to shut down, it doesn't change the number of people that can be allowed in the park and they don't close the park because one or more attractions have reached their individual limit. Having one or more major attractions closed might have an affect on traffic flow within the park. It might make it more congested but it will not make MK close because they still have room within the confines to handle X number of people and get them out safely. Certainly not running and screaming because Disney guests are far to sophisticated to panic.
doctornick
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Well, I think it's true that DHS is the most "closed in" of the 4 parks and growth would have to be achieved by repurposing current areas (like LMA or Backlot Tour) or using backstage areas or parking and building them elsewhere. There's not really large unused expansion pads just waiting to be built on.
So, I'd disagree that DHS is the "easiest park to expand" -- DAK and Epcot both have far more undeveloped space available that is easy to build on yesterday. DHS does have the easiest attractions/lands to replace because they are not that popular and take up a lot of land.
G00fyDad
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I agree that Uni getting HP was a major slap at Disney and Disney deserved it for not dodging it with their own killer idea. But WWoHP will go the way of Jaws at Uni in about 20 years (if that long) and SW will still be around.
Pixiedustmaker
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You could very well be right, but I see it as two completely different situations. There is attraction capacity (how many can be in a building or specific area simultaneously) and then there is park capacity. Fire Marshal's would probably determine either one. If CoP had to shut down, it doesn't change the number of people that can be allowed in the park and they don't close the park because one or more attractions have reached their individual limit. Having one or more major attractions closed might have an affect on traffic flow within the park. It might make it more congested but it will not make MK close because they still have room within the confines to handle X number of people and get them out safely. Certainly not running and screaming because Disney guests are far to sophisticated to panic.
Uh, you've got 100% incorrect info.
Total park capacity is based on the addition of attractions/restaurant capacity in the whole park. It fluctuates based on what rides are open, and what is down for refurb. There are a series of steps that are taken with regards to various crowd levels based on the totals from everything open in a park, and who is in the park.
Period.
Obviously, if there are more guests in the park than the grand total from the attractions/restaurants/guest areas, then you've got a problem.
If *any* attraction closes, it obviously decreases total park capacity, as per fire marshall.
Mister Boo
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Well that's the thing. The "Expansion" may be through demolishing present attractions, but they are attractions that do not permit guest access in a traditional sense. They take up an ungodly amount of space but don't do anything for capacity. LMAs down to what, two shows a day? And the backlot tour is just a dead zone begging to populated by...anything.