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Why Have People Put Up With Disney So Lazy and Cheap?
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one ! Avatar. There should be avatar anomatronics everywhere like pirates of the Caribbean.
LaughingGravy
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As a fan for sure (first trip in 1977), we are voting with our wallets.
The expansion and saturation of DVC has been favored over the resorts and their guests, while the parks themselves have suffered.
The blessing of space has been squandered and some precious land that once gone you can't get back, has been sold to maintain quarterly stockholder profits.
They should have expanded the parks to accommodate the massive amount of hotel rooms they put on site.
The alligator incident with the kid has quietly gone away, but I would still be interested in seeing the invoices/contracts for animal control over the decades. I would bet quarterly profits drove a reduction.
The shortening of park hours in favor of ticketed premium time in the parks as often is it happens is a turn off.
MNSSCHP starting August 17th?
MVMCP
November: 8, 9, 12, 13, 15, 16, 25, 27, 29, and 30, 2018
December: 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13, 14, 16, 18, 20, and 21, 2018
Event time: 7:00 p.m. - midnighth
The requirement to plan just about every hour of time during a vacation is not a vacation to us.
The parking charge for resort guests, instead of simply raising resort prices a few dollars across the board crossed the line.
It's a case of perception. Don't nickel and dime me.
The expansion and saturation of DVC has been favored over the resorts and their guests, while the parks themselves have suffered.
The blessing of space has been squandered and some precious land that once gone you can't get back, has been sold to maintain quarterly stockholder profits.
They should have expanded the parks to accommodate the massive amount of hotel rooms they put on site.
The alligator incident with the kid has quietly gone away, but I would still be interested in seeing the invoices/contracts for animal control over the decades. I would bet quarterly profits drove a reduction.
The shortening of park hours in favor of ticketed premium time in the parks as often is it happens is a turn off.
MNSSCHP starting August 17th?
MVMCP
November: 8, 9, 12, 13, 15, 16, 25, 27, 29, and 30, 2018
December: 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13, 14, 16, 18, 20, and 21, 2018
Event time: 7:00 p.m. - midnighth
The requirement to plan just about every hour of time during a vacation is not a vacation to us.
The parking charge for resort guests, instead of simply raising resort prices a few dollars across the board crossed the line.
It's a case of perception. Don't nickel and dime me.
It's a common perception that "vacationing" at WDW is more like campaign planning than most people are comfortable/willing to do. That's why there are some very good travel agencies who will take on much of that burden for you, in particular the Disney specialists.
You continue to operate under the assumption I think its a "bad" attraction. When did I say that? I simply said they could do much better.
Please show me where I said I did not like it?
My post was not intended to be rude. If 7DMT is one of your favorite attractions, that is great. But if your love for it ignites a hostile attitude when someone is critical of it, then there is not much of a discussion to have. Dinosaur is one of my favorite rides and it receives heavy criticism and I can understand why. I do not defend it by simply claiming "its a great attraction".or citing wait times.
LaughingGravy
Well-Known Member
There are certainly options to have someone else do the planning, but it's the flexibility of the attitude of a vacation that goes out the window. The place is simply too crowded for flexibility.
In another post in another thread, I mentioned how DW and I had rides scheduled for a number of days for months before. DW kept her ticket. I bought a magic band. I was assured once the transaction was complete that my rides were on the magic band. They weren't. We didn't discover this until the first FP+ time (Splash Mtn 11:mm am) where we were directed to go back down to the foot of Main St. to deal with expert castmembers w/ special pads who not only could not restore my fastpasses to what they were, but could only do something close wherein they were kind of similar, but DW and I needed to both be in the same window to get on the attractions. This messed with meal planning with others on the trip. We were also chaperones for one of the marching bands. I was the trailer driver. DW was the uniform maven. So, we very carefully planned out time for rides knowing that about 3 hrs was going to be taken out for time to leave the park, get the trailer, go to the backstage entrance, do a lot of waiting, then performance time, then pack up again, park the trailer back in the main lot and then back into the park.
The semi-restoration of fastpasses took 45 minutes once we got to the back to the foot of Main St, where we then had to go back into the park, knowing we had to go back out again for the chaperone duties.
That's a large chunk of the day. Don't get me wrong. The marching band thing was a great experience, but killing almost an hour of time ( including travel from Splash and back, plus the Main St fix time) was not fun.
That is the double edged sword of MM+. If everything goes as planned, it can be a great experience. But one hiccup can throw off months of planning.
HouCuseChickie
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After dealing with steady declines in service, food quality, attraction reliability, perks, cleanliness, etc. while prices continue to go up...we've decided to vote with our wallets and go other places for a while. I love visiting the parks, but nostalgia was really driving our last few trips more than the quality of the current product. I still love the idea of a Disney vacation and will be back at some point in some capacity to experience what's new, but I feel like a sucker returning year after year when a good quality vacation becomes part of that nostalgia.
eliza61nyc
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One of the things we have done, with Disney and pretty much most of our vacations is to do trip reports after we get back. If we find that like you most of the "good" parts start off with "remember when we could?" or "remember when it use to beXXX". we simply decide to move on.
My dh and I did that with Jamaica. We were married on that island, honeymoooned there and brought our kids there many of times but after 4 or 5 lousy vacations we simply could not justify the cost. Next the issue was also the time wasted. both of us had jobs that were 24/7 rotating shifts. we did not have weekends off with family time like the average worker, so having good vacations became more important.
lastly, the "family vacation" scene has really improved. there are all inclusives, cruises, european destinations that now cater to families with kids.
Interestingly enough maybe 5 years after my husband lost his battle with cancer I asked our kids to name some of their best memories with dad. Disney did not even rank in the top 5. lol.
Now I went once in the late 70's when it first opened but I was pretty underwhelmed. lol maybe because I was a kid in NYC which in my eyes was the center of civilization but I didn't really fall in love with it until we went back with our small kids so I don't have this deep connection that I read about here, for me it's really really simple. the minute I see the quality is gone, and I'm starting to reminisce more about the good "ole" day than I am about the fun I had, that's when I say "let's see where else we can go"
We were there last August and had a blast, stayed at the GF, had really good meals. the monorail was slow due to supposedly maintenance but other than that it was an awesome time. I've got two trips going this year. once in less than a week (doing the happy dance) and one again in August.
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Dutch Inn '76
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You say that they can "do much better." I say that it's a great attraction as it is. You are arguing in circles - or is this what you do for fun? 7DMT isn't one of my favorites, I simply am saying that The Mouse did a good job with NFL. You say they could have done better - but you have yet to tell me how.
I agree that Dinosaur is a good ride. Its well done; one of my favorites at AK. I don't see what there is to criticize about it. Everything can't be the best. ...and "best" is in the eye of the beholder anyway...
Dutch Inn '76
Well-Known Member
There's no more room for rides. They added three attractions and the new most popular restaurant in the MK - and doubled the capacity of a WDW favorite.
What about 7DMT is a "hastily added afterthought?" I think it's very well done, and it is very popular.
HouCuseChickie
Well-Known Member
It's funny...I usually do a TR after all of our WDW trips. I hesitated this time since I was so bothered by the declines, but it's been helpful. It's really nice to see all of the positives, but it also helps reaffirm my decisions each time I come to the negatives. That's not to say we can't have a good time on a Disney vacation, but for us...I feel like the disparity between quality and price has grown to a point that it's time for a change. I don't mind paying more for a really good trip...I just want to feel like it's worth it. Glad to hear you had a good time on your last trip and hopefully you'll be as pleased with future trips.
Dutch Inn '76
Well-Known Member
SERIOUSLY. What declines?
This keeps being said on here, but I cannot identify what y'all are talking about when you speak of "declines." Prices have risen, and "parties" are annoying, but what about the service or experience has declined?
Arguing in circles? I have only responded to your extremely emotional posts and stated that I do not share in your thoughts that 7DMT or NFL is the pinnacle of Imagineering.
For starters, would several more show scenes and a much longer track make it a better attraction?
HouCuseChickie
Well-Known Member
Food quality- dining pacing - understaffing tactics- park cleanliness- bathroom cleanliness- attraction cleanliness- attraction detail maintenance-perks cut or now for charge- hours cut- increased attraction breakdowns-too many instances of rundown resort rooms- and a steep decline in CM service levels (all while prices rise- in some cases rapidly) are good examples for starters. Consider yourself lucky if you haven't been impacted by any of this or aren't bothered by it.
Dutch Inn '76
Well-Known Member
I just don't see any of these problems. There is no noticeable difference in cleanliness in the parks since I've been paying attention (1980s), and the landscaping is drastically improved since then. There's no "steep decline" in service. Rundown resort rooms? Where?? I've stayed at the Polynesian and Caribbean Beach in the past three months, and they were both in fine shape.
I think that people remember things better than they were from their younger days and tend to forget the bad and mediocre things.
Dutch Inn '76
Well-Known Member
Where would the "several more show scenes and much longer track" be placed? There's no more room!
All I've asked you to do is justify your criticism, yet you can only say "they can do better." ???
jloucks
Well-Known Member
I did vote with my wallet. I skipped WDW last trip in fact. Went on a Disney Cruise. Soo... sorta voted for Disney still, but not for the parks!
The consumer is being lured (demand is increasing) for multiple reasons. Marketing being one. And global marketing being another. WDW has become a global destination and as such has seen demand skyrocket. And it is still a bargain. Too much of a bargain.
Contrary to what some say, it is not all that expensive if you look at it on an hourly entertainment basis. 168 hours at WDW only costs about *$9 an hour. That includes airfare, lodgings, and food. On par with a movie, show, zoo, or aquarium.
* Family of 4 trip, $6000. $1,500 each. 1 week 168 hours. $1500/168 = $8.93 hr ea.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Yet they were planned by WDI, It's TDO who hacked and slashed the ride to it's current length
eliza61nyc
Well-Known Member
who's WDI and TDO? sorry I'm bad with Acronyms
Justification you seek? No problem. Below is an image of the original layouts for 7DMT. The green is the original version, blue is the second and the orange is the final layout. The darker sections on each layout were the indoor sections that were to house additional scenes.
Yes, they could have absolutely done better and here is the poof you seek. I think this image was originally posted by @marni1971 or Lee . Also posted by @MerlinTheGoat in another thread.