Why hasn't anyone licensed star trek for a park

[dman1373]

Star Trek Movies never were popular ???
Does not look bad to me....... each movie net over $92 million on average. All the movies net Paramount $1,014,325,878

12/7/1979 Star Trek: The Motion Picture $11,926,421 $82,258,456 $139,000,000 $35,000,000
6/4/1982 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan $14,347,221 $79,912,963 $96,800,000 $12,000,000
6/1/1984 Star Trek III: The Search for Spock $16,673,229 $76,471,046 $87,000,000 $18,000,000
11/26/1986 Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home $16,881,888 $109,713,132 $133,000,000 $24,000,000
6/9/1989 Star Trek V: The Final Frontier $17,375,648 $52,210,049 $70,200,000 $30,000,000
12/6/1991 Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country $18,162,837 $74,888,996 $96,900,000 $27,000,000
11/18/1994 Star Trek: Generations $23,116,394 $75,671,262 $120,000,000 $38,000,000
11/22/1996 Star Trek: First Contact $30,716,131 $92,027,888 $150,000,000 $46,000,000
12/11/1998 Star Trek: Insurrection $22,052,836 $70,187,658 $117,800,000 $70,000,000
12/13/2002 Star Trek: Nemesis $18,513,305 $43,254,409 $67,312,826 $60,000,000
5/8/2009 Star Trek $79,204,289 $257,730,019 $385,680,446 $140,000,000
6/29/2012 Star Trek 2 - - - -
Totals $1,014,325,878 $1,463,693,272 $500,000,000
Averages $92,211,443 $133,063,025 $45,454,54

I didn't say that it didn't make alot of money, but its not as big as star wars or avatar.
Star wars with 7 films made 4 billion, and avatar with one movie made more than the whole star trek series. Even idiana jones made a ton more money than start trek.

 

[Florida_is_hot]

Yes Star Wars "Grossed" $4 billion, Star Trek "Grossed only $1.46 billion

Star Trek is a continuing franchise Star Trek 2 is in the works, the numbers above does not include the many TV series ..... Star Wars as one cartoon "Clone Wars"

The point is the Star Trek story is not dead, while Lucas says no more Star Wars.
I think because Star Trek is not history it is continuing it be great for Park.

Yes Avatar maybe good for Disney, if Avatar II does not come the biggest box office bomb in history.


5/25/1977 Star Wars Ep. IV: A New Hope $1,554,475 $460,998,007 $797,900,000 $11,000,000
5/21/1980 Star Wars Ep. V: The Empire Strikes Back $4,910,483 $290,271,960 $534,171,960 $23,000,000
5/25/1983 Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi $23,019,618 $309,205,079 $572,700,000 $32,500,000
5/19/1999 Star Wars Ep. I: The Phantom Menace $64,810,970 $474,363,310 $1,006,863,310 $115,000,000
5/16/2002 Star Wars Ep. II: Attack of the Clones $80,027,814 $310,676,740 $656,695,615 $115,000,000
11/1/2002 Star Wars: Attack of the Clones (IMAX) $1,441,922 $8,494,458 - -
5/19/2005 Star Wars Ep. III: Revenge of the Sith $108,435,841 $380,270,577 $848,998,877 $115,000,000
8/15/2008 Star Wars: The Clone Wars $14,611,273 $35,161,554 $68,161,554 $8,500,000
Totals $2,269,441,685 $4,493,985,774 $420,000,000
Averages $283,680,211 $561,748,222 $60,000,000

 

[michmousefan]

I'd love to see a Star Trek attraction in part of the (massively underutilized) space in Communicore. I suppose it could even be tied into Innoventions, sort of a "Science of Star Trek" exhibit.

Actually, there are plans for a large Star Trek "land" to be part of the new Paramount Park in Murcia, Spain. The park is supposed to open in 2015. Screamscape has more info, from there you can link to other sources that indicate groundbreaking ceremonies have taken place.

http://www.screamscape.com/html/paramount_park_spain.htm

No idea if the rights are just international and how that might translate to use here in the States. But I imagine Disney wouldn't want to use Trek, especially if the new park will be a competitor to DLP.

 

[WDW1974]

I'd love to see a Star Trek attraction in part of the (massively underutilized) space in Communicore. I suppose it could even be tied into Innoventions, sort of a "Science of Star Trek" exhibit.

Actually, there are plans for a large Star Trek "land" to be part of the new Paramount Park in Murcia, Spain. The park is supposed to open in 2015. Screamscape has more info, from there you can link to other sources that indicate groundbreaking ceremonies have taken place.

http://www.screamscape.com/html/paramount_park_spain.htm

No idea if the rights are just international and how that might translate to use here in the States. But I imagine Disney wouldn't want to use Trek, especially if the new park will be a competitor to DLP.

You beat me to it, although I don't believe the park will be built with the financial problems over there, but it is a beautiful area (I spent time very close by this past spring).

I don't know why more hasn't been done with Star Trek. I am a HUGE fan as opposed to Star Wars. One is more fantasy, the other delved into very serious topics and was more based in possible science.

I'd love to see Star Trek used in some park in the USA.

Oh, and I loved the LV experience when it was open.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I think Star Trek: The Experience in Las Vegas was better than anything Disney has done since like '94.

 

[Disneyfanman]

I think Star Trek: The Experience in Las Vegas was better than anything Disney has done since like '94.

It really was amazing, but the last time I went (about a year before it closed) it was a graveyard. It's amazing to think that at one time it was really hot. NextGen, DS9, and Voyager were all "must see" TV for us.

 

[unkadug]

I think Star Trek: The Experience in Las Vegas was better than anything Disney has done since like '94.

But didn't it already close down?

 

[jharvey]

Star Trek Movies never were popular ???
Does not look bad to me....... each movie net over $92 million on average. All the movies net Paramount $1,014,325,878

12/7/1979 Star Trek: The Motion Picture $11,926,421 $82,258,456 $139,000,000 $35,000,000
6/4/1982 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan $14,347,221 $79,912,963 $96,800,000 $12,000,000
6/1/1984 Star Trek III: The Search for Spock $16,673,229 $76,471,046 $87,000,000 $18,000,000
11/26/1986 Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home $16,881,888 $109,713,132 $133,000,000 $24,000,000
6/9/1989 Star Trek V: The Final Frontier $17,375,648 $52,210,049 $70,200,000 $30,000,000
12/6/1991 Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country $18,162,837 $74,888,996 $96,900,000 $27,000,000
11/18/1994 Star Trek: Generations $23,116,394 $75,671,262 $120,000,000 $38,000,000
11/22/1996 Star Trek: First Contact $30,716,131 $92,027,888 $150,000,000 $46,000,000
12/11/1998 Star Trek: Insurrection $22,052,836 $70,187,658 $117,800,000 $70,000,000
12/13/2002 Star Trek: Nemesis $18,513,305 $43,254,409 $67,312,826 $60,000,000
5/8/2009 Star Trek $79,204,289 $257,730,019 $385,680,446 $140,000,000
6/29/2012 Star Trek 2 - - - -
Totals $1,014,325,878 $1,463,693,272 $500,000,000
Averages $92,211,443 $133,063,025 $45,454,54

Pretty sure this is what phi was alluding to earlier. OP asks a very sensible question, though I am not a fan of the series. But we are one Spock can kick Chewbacca's butt reply away from wdwmagic having to break up a fight.

 

[Br'er Platypus]

It was liscences by Paramounts Carowinds in Charlotte, NC for a while before Cedar Fair bought the park. They had the "Borg Flying Coaster" (Now Nighthawk) and even a "Star Trek on Ice" ice skating show. Imagine a Klingon ice skating! Other Paramount properties were used at Carowinds (Top Gun and Wayne's World which was an entire land of Carowinds).

Paramount also owned King's Island near Cincinnati for awhile. At one time I used to have a photo of me with a Klingon. During the time period that I lived near Cincy, King's Island didn't have any themed Star Trek rides, just characters roaming around the park entrance.

 

[Master Yoda]

Yes Star Wars "Grossed" $4 billion, Star Trek "Grossed only $1.46 billion

Star Trek is a continuing franchise Star Trek 2 is in the works, the numbers above does not include the many TV series ..... Star Wars as one cartoon "Clone Wars"

The point is the Star Trek story is not dead, while Lucas says no more Star Wars.
I think because Star Trek is not history it is continuing it be great for Park.

Yes Avatar maybe good for Disney, if Avatar II does not come the biggest box office bomb in history.


5/25/1977 Star Wars Ep. IV: A New Hope $1,554,475 $460,998,007 $797,900,000 $11,000,000
5/21/1980 Star Wars Ep. V: The Empire Strikes Back $4,910,483 $290,271,960 $534,171,960 $23,000,000
5/25/1983 Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi $23,019,618 $309,205,079 $572,700,000 $32,500,000
5/19/1999 Star Wars Ep. I: The Phantom Menace $64,810,970 $474,363,310 $1,006,863,310 $115,000,000
5/16/2002 Star Wars Ep. II: Attack of the Clones $80,027,814 $310,676,740 $656,695,615 $115,000,000
11/1/2002 Star Wars: Attack of the Clones (IMAX) $1,441,922 $8,494,458 - -
5/19/2005 Star Wars Ep. III: Revenge of the Sith $108,435,841 $380,270,577 $848,998,877 $115,000,000
8/15/2008 Star Wars: The Clone Wars $14,611,273 $35,161,554 $68,161,554 $8,500,000
Totals $2,269,441,685 $4,493,985,774 $420,000,000
Averages $283,680,211 $561,748,222 $60,000,000

Not quite correct. The movies might be done but the Star Wars universe is far from finished. There is a second cartoon on its way out called Detours as well as a live action TV show that is on hold just waiting for the cost to produce to get down. There is also a never ending stream of expanded universe novels as well.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

I think the problem with Star Trek is that the fanbase is pretty fragmented. It would be hard to satisfy the TOS-era fans, the TNG-era fans, as well as the J.J.-era fans. Personally, I've seen every episode of TNG and Voyager, but usually fall asleep when I try to watch DS9 or TOS. You don't get many Star Wars fans who will only watch Empire Strikes Back. Everyone hates the prequels, but that's another story.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Not trying to start a war I just thought with the new movies and over 50 years of things to pull from it would be a good franchise for a theme park. I didn't know they were in six flags at one time. I knew about the Saudi park but that's it

It was the Paramount parks, not Six Flags. The chain was bought by Cedar Fair, which openly states they operate amusement parks, and so they dropped the intellectual properties in the parks despite being offered a license.

I wouldn't call it planned, it was a little more than a blue sky concept. They had approval from Paramount, money in place, concept art and a sales pitch.

http://collider.com/star-trek-enterprise-vegas/157942/

According to Gary Goddard the project was very real, had financing, the support of the city government and many people within Paramount. Then, in one fell swoop, it was killed by Stanley Jaffe, the head of Paramount Pictures.
http://www.thegoddardgroup.com/blog/index.php/now-it-can-be-told-the-star-trek-attraction-that-almost-came-to-life-in-1992/

 

[Master Yoda]

It was the Paramount parks, not Six Flags. The chain was bought by Cedar Fair, which openly states they operate amusement parks, and so they dropped the intellectual properties in the parks despite being offered a license.


According to Gary Goddard the project was very real, had financing, the support of the city government and many people within Paramount. Then, in one fell swoop, it was killed by Stanley Jaffe, the head of Paramount Pictures.
http://www.thegoddardgroup.com/blog/index.php/now-it-can-be-told-the-star-trek-attraction-that-almost-came-to-life-in-1992/

That is how I read it as well. It is just a matter of semantics on my end. To me "planned" requires all of those thing plus a public announcement.

 

[Admiral01]

I second what Admiral said. The Vegas experience was amazing. WARP CORE BREACH was a drink that nearly landed me on my back for a two day bender...

I loved the "warp core breach." It had like 18 different rums in it...as you said, nearly knocked me on my rear for a few days. The "Borg sphere" was great too. The large size, with the dry ice and the koooky glassware, really added to the atmosphere.

I agree with the earlier post that the "Science of Star Trek" would fit in Communicore...and that The Experience was better quality than many things Disney has done since 1994. It really was on par. The big difference between Star Wars and Star Trek is that Trek was much more science-fiction than it was fantasy. Some of the science stretched the imagination, but most of it is able to be explained using today's science and engineering. We can't do it, but we can see how it could be accomplished. Sounds like EPCOT to me.

 

[englanddg]

Universal used to own the license and had a Star Trek attraction at Universal FL in the early 90s.

Not sure if they still own it now.

 

[Kuhio]

I think Star Trek: The Experience in Las Vegas was better than anything Disney has done since like '94.

It really was amazing, but the last time I went (about a year before it closed) it was a graveyard.

I visited a year or two before it closed, and attendance seemed pretty sparse. But I loved both the Klingon Encounter and Borg Invasion experiences -- and was genuinely surprised and impressed by the "beaming up" effect in a way that I hadn't been by anything at a domestic Disney park in years. I also found the interactive/audience participation aspect of the attractions to be fun and compelling... and I usually abhor that kind of stuff!

And a lot of the merchandise sold at the store there was truly unique and tailored specifically to Trek fans in a way that Disney merchandise hasn't been for a while. I still have a couple of bottles of blue Romulan Ale in my cupboard (actually brewed and bottled in Guatemala!)...

 

[doctornick]

I think the problem with Star Trek is that the fanbase is pretty fragmented. It would be hard to satisfy the TOS-era fans, the TNG-era fans, as well as the J.J.-era fans. Personally, I've seen every episode of TNG and Voyager, but usually fall asleep when I try to watch DS9 or TOS. You don't get many Star Wars fans who will only watch Empire Strikes Back. Everyone hates the prequels, but that's another story.

I think the other problem (compared to, say, Star Wars or Potter) is that you go from hardcore to "couldn't care less" very quickly. I don't think there is a substantial number of casual fans who would be interested in a Star Trek ride/land over a general sci-fi attraction. That's not to say the franchise wouldn't have value, but I don't think it would really capture the public's imagination all that much.

 

[bdearl41]

I rode the Borg coaster in Charlotte, its fun, wasnt themed well at all though. Also there is a ride at the Hilton in Vegas. bottom line Star Wars fans pay money, Star Trek fans dont. That is why.

 

[71jason]

(1) Not as kid-firendly as, say, a Harry Potter or a Star Wars. Ultimately more cerebral.
(2) Rightly or wrongly, in the public consciousness has a lot more "nerd stench" than other franchises. Hipsters can get away with being Star Wars or Potter fans, at least in moderation, but not Star Trek fans.

 

[xdan0920]

Because Star Trek sucks.

Until JJ Abrhams that is. Now it is excellent.