Where in the World Isn't Bob Saget?

Tuvalu

Tuvalu

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PUSH said:
It's a really big emphasis in reading instruction right now. Kids have been taught the wrong way to read for decades, called the Whole Language approach. It's not based in science or research, although teachers and schools have been led to believe it is. The people selling the programs have essentially conned districts in to believing it was the way to teach reading.

We used the whole language approach my first 4 years of teaching, and I could tell kids didn't know how to read. I kept talking to my reading specialist about it, but she wouldn't listen. She kept blaming the teachers. Then she retired and we got a new reading specialist who brought in a program that follows the Science of Reading approach. Even the lowest kids are reading, now. It's amazing.

If anyone is interested in the whole story, listen to the Sold a Story podcast. It was really fascinating to me, but again, I'm very passionate about the topic.
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I was introduced to the "Whole Language" approach way back in 1990 when my oldest started kindergarten. (He was already reading.) As his teacher explained it I wanted to say, "What a lot of bunk!" but I politely refrained.

Needless to say, I made sure his siblings were also reading prior to beginning kindergarten.

I can't believe this ridiculous approach lasted as long as it did. Four years ago my youngest nephew demonstrated his "word recognition" by "sound counting" down his arm, turning CAT into a three syllable word. :facepalm:

Thank you for choosing to teach (with a passion for truth.) Our schools need more of you!!
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Lilofan said:
Why don't you calm down a bit, life is too short. My former boss and buddy John was a grunt, did his year in Nam , came home alive and did do R&R at Long Binh. You are assuming I'm calling it a country club which I never did but my buddy did appreciate to spend time at LB with his fellow grunts and REMFs stationed there , before being sent to the front lines again.
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You don't do R&R in Long Binh, R&R is to get you out of the war zone. I went to Osaka and Tokyo, others went to Australia or Thailand or Hawaii. Long Binh was a serious Army base with a serious mission, it wasn't an in country Marriot.
 
PUSH

PUSH

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Tuvalu said:
I was introduced to the "Whole Language" approach way back in 1990 when my oldest started kindergarten. (He was already reading.) As his teacher explained it I wanted to say, "What a lot of bunk!" but I politely refrained.

Needless to say, I made sure his siblings were also reading prior to beginning kindergarten.

I can't believe this ridiculous approach lasted as long as it did. Four years ago my youngest nephew demonstrated his "word recognition" by "sound counting" down his arm, turning CAT into a three syllable word. :facepalm:

Thank you for choosing to teach (with a passion for truth.) Our schools need more of you!!
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To be fair to teachers and schools, they were fed a line of crap for decades. The programs that gained popularity promised to address all kids' needs in easy ways. And they have "evidence" to prove it. However, none of the "evidence" was research based. Again, I recommend the Sold a Story podcast to learn more. It's fascinating.

As far as the "sound counting" down his arm, I'm assuming you mean he tapped the sounds. That is a good strategy, and that is how students learn how to read. It's part of the Science of Reading. Segmenting sounds is incredibly important when you go to encode (spell words) and decode (sound out words). Tapping on your arm is just one way it can be done, although I like to have kids tap their fingers.

He's not actually tapping syllables, but phonemes (the smallest unit of sound). For example, if we segment "cat" into it's phonemes, you would hear /c/ /a/ /t/. It has three phonemes. If he was talking about syllables, he likely confused syllables for sounds. Obviously "cat" only has one syllable, and that's because it has only one vowel sound.

Doing it orally, without any words, is part of phonemic awareness, which is crucial for good reading. It's almost "prereading". It's the manipulation of sounds. Often when a student is struggling with reading, it's because they have poor phonemic awareness. In the whole language approach, there was no instruction on this aspect of reading.
 
JenniferS

JenniferS

When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
PUSH said:
I love this duet with her and Pink. Pink is probably my favorite artist. Kelly is fantastic, too. Their voices compliment each other so well. There's a point in this duet where they're both just letting it rip effortlessly, while they admire each other.

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Not available in my country. What song is it?
 
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Lilofan

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Goofyernmost said:
You don't do R&R in Long Binh, R&R is to get you out of the war zone. I went to Osaka and Tokyo, others went to Australia or Thailand or Hawaii. Long Binh was a serious Army base with a serious mission, it wasn't an in country Marriot.
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Let me rephrase - Combat troops like my late buddy John spent time at Long Binh in 1968 on his way to R&R in HI. You may have seen combat troops at LB . He told me he really enjoyed his 6 days in Waikiki before going back to Namā€™ .
 
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JenniferS

JenniferS

When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
Lilofan said:
Let me rephrase - Combat troops like my late buddy John spent time at Long Binh in 1968 on his way to R&R in HI. You may have seen combat troops at LB . He told me he really enjoyed his 6 days in Waikiki before going back to Namā€™ .
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Can you please stop revisiting a topic that most of us have clearly indicated we want to move on from? You are (probably unintentionally) diminishing a true veteranā€™s experiences with anecdotes youā€™ve heard from your ā€œbuddyā€.

It comes across as, and I paraphrase, ā€œMy buddy said it wasnā€™t so bad, so it mustnā€™t have beenā€. Iā€™m sure itā€™s not your intention, but it is denigrating another personā€™s first hand experience.

Read the room. Please drop it.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Lilofan said:
Let me rephrase - Combat troops like my late buddy John spent time at Long Binh in 1968 on his way to R&R in HI. You may have seen combat troops at LB . He told me he really enjoyed his 6 days in Waikiki before going back to Namā€™ .
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Sounds more like he was telling you what he found when he got to Waikiki, that's what we went on R&R to have besides no one shooting at you. I'm sure he enjoyed his R&R as all of us did. I know I had a great time in Osaka at the 1970 Worlds Fair and my short time in Tokyo, or at least the parts I can remember of it. I do know I intentionally crammed a lot of living in those 6 days.
 
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ajrwdwgirl

ajrwdwgirl

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JenniferS said:
@ajrwdwgirl - Sorry to hear about your puppers. Was he sick? ((Hugs)), my friend.
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Kapono had been a little ā€œoffā€ lately but was herself most of the time and had lots of energy. Even yesterday morning she jumped up on the couch by me at breakfast and seemed fine when I came home. Then all of a sudden last night she took a sudden turn. We couldnā€™t get her into any emergency vet. We think it was maybe cancer that we didnā€™t know about (she had some weight loss lately) or the vet said it could have been some heart issue too. We could find out for sure but it wouldnā€™t change anything. But thank you for condolences.
 

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