When rules don't apply to others; I want to hear your stories

[KBLovedDisney]

I actually witnessed a whole family break some rules.

We were on the Seeds tour at the Land, and this family came in late to the tour with a crying child. The child was pitching a fit about something causing a lot of disruption. The parents were fed up and just weren't paying attention to the tour at all.

So, when we came to the station where they gave you sample Cucumbers, and while our tour guide was distracted, the family all of the sudden decided to quickly leave the scene.

After the tour guide finished giving out cucumbers, she started to question what happened to the family. We told her that we saw them just leave.

Well, this put the tour on a sudden standstill. The tour guide (not sure how she did this), but kept her cool and started contacting her Manager over her walky -talky. Unfortunately, the family just disappeared.

We asked the tour guide if this was a major issue, and she said "Yes! This could get me in huge trouble, and they can also shut down the [Living with the Land] ride"...

 

[danyoung56]

Did you flash him the dirty look because you felt his son was taking all the knowledge in for himself?

I know you were kidding, but I flashed him the dirty look because he was talking as loud as Ben Franklin was on stage!

 

[Jedi Stitch]

Waiting for the Bus at the ASMo. WE had a line for a full bus the bus just pulls up when a ECV comes zooming up. Yes zooming. Personal 3 wheel scooter. Everyone in Line get on the buss and packs it. The Lady in the ECV started yelling at the driver. the Driver gets out lets the lady know he has called for a second buss to come they are 5 minutes out, she has priority seating on that bus. We drive off she is cursing us and the driver as we drive away.
I love the people who zip around you when a tables clears at a QS, knowing full well you are just a foot from it. Happened at the Electric Umbrella.
About ran over when trying to cross a busy walk area near the restrooms, to get meet back up with my family.
Actual Rule breaker, trying to get to the TTC from the Poly, where you cross the driveway, a Mini-van (Mommy Missile) nearly hit my wife who was crossing last. It was myself, my daughter, then my wife. Nearly hit by an un-attentive driver lost with a GPS/phone in hand, and a cup of coffee in the other knee driving, taking direction from the wife.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Everyone has their own level of tolerance, of what they'll accept from others and what they won't. This behavior doesn't bother you. It bothers me. Neither one of us is flat out right or wrong - we just have differing tolerances.

I did not say it didn't bother me. What I said was that I am not going to get all righteously indignant over something that is likely that I and everyone else as done a one point or the other. I'm not going to follow you around a theme park and try and prove that you have, indeed, unconsciously, been guilty, just as I have unintentionally done it. I'm just saying, how can we fault something that is inherently human and likely been guilty of ourselves. That's not lack of tolerance so much as it is hypocrisy.

 

[aw14]

the biggest issue we have been subjected to are kids playing with the chains in queues. POTC is a prime example. Parents not watching their children as they swing the chains and hit people with them. A little attention to out children goes a long way

 

[Matt_Black]

2012- my mother, sister and I got our orders at the Main Street Bakery (before it had been RUINED by Starbucks) and begin to look for a table. We find one, but there are only two chairs. I see a gentleman sitting by himself, not eating, at a table with a plethora of chairs. I politely ask if I may take one. He gives me a very curt and impertinent "No." Obviously, he was holding a table for his party that was still in line. Shenanigans!

 

[danyoung56]

I'm not going to follow you around a theme park and try and prove that you have, indeed, unconsciously, been guilty, just as I have unintentionally done it.

I've never even hinted that I was going to go to this extreme. I'm not really sure why we're arguing at this point.

 

[becca_]

the biggest issue we have been subjected to are kids playing with the chains in queues. POTC is a prime example. Parents not watching their children as they swing the chains and hit people with them. A little attention to out children goes a long way

This pushes my buttons soooo much, I hate being hit by the chains or watching kids run all over, do what they wanna do, Mom/Dad/Gma/Gpa/Aunt/Uncle oblivious to the fact that their child is acting like that

 

[MaximumEd]

Had a guy and girl behind me and my family on SM a few months ago. During the peaceful part after the drop, she starts reaching over, scooping up handfuls of water, and drenching me, my wife, and 10 year old daughter. I ask her to knock it off. She gives me a smart-a look, and says, "It's a water ride." So, I turn to the boyfriend or whatever and inform him that if he don't get her under control that I'll be stomping a mud hole in him in so many words as soon as I get off the boat. It quit.

 

[SyracuseDisneyFan]

I already mentioned the time in 2014 when the person in front of me was using their tablet to record Voyage Of The Little Mermaid. My Dad told her several times to stop.

 

[Goofyernmost]

I've never even hinted that I was going to go to this extreme. I'm not really sure why we're arguing at this point.

We're not understanding each other. You just made an issue over a minor figure of speech that has nothing to do with anything other then my saying that it wasn't all that important. Probably we better stop this discourse before it gets any worse. I was trying to make a point, you were denying that you could possibly ever be guilty of it. Fine, your a person that never makes any human like mistakes. I'm OK with that, but, if it is true you are in a very small club of super humans and I bow to your focus.

 

[The Tuna]

When people suddenly stop in the middle of a walkway.

Or at the top of the movator going up to the peoplemover in Tomorrowland. Had to yell at this family to move as they werent understanding why i was right up against them with more people coming. They gave me a dirty look and I had to explain they were at the top of an escalator that keeps on delivering people even when they get off. blank stares....

 

[_caleb]

Or at the top of the movator going up to the peoplemover in Tomorrowland. Had to yell at this family to move as they werent understanding why i was right up against them with more people coming. They gave me a dirty look and I had to explain they were at the top of an escalator that keeps on delivering people even when they get off. blank stares....

This is why they've been turning the UP elevator off and having people walk up- to avoid the pileup. In the old days, they had a Cast Member up there reminding people to move along.

 

[danyoung56]

I was gonna let this go, but I just can't.

...you were denying that you could possibly ever be guilty of it. Fine, your a person that never makes any human like mistakes.

This is completely in your mind, Goof. In fact, I think I said at one point that I'm sure I'm guilty of stopping dead in a high traffic area. That doesn't make it right for everyone to do it, nor does it make it any less irritating when you're on the receiving end of this behavior.

 

[Driver]

Waiting for the Bus at the ASMo. WE had a line for a full bus the bus just pulls up when a ECV comes zooming up. Yes zooming. Personal 3 wheel scooter. Everyone in Line get on the buss and packs it. The Lady in the ECV started yelling at the driver. the Driver gets out lets the lady know he has called for a second buss to come they are 5 minutes out, she has priority seating on that bus. We drive off she is cursing us and the driver as we drive away.
I love the people who zip around you when a tables clears at a QS, knowing full well you are just a foot from it. Happened at the Electric Umbrella.
About ran over when trying to cross a busy walk area near the restrooms, to get meet back up with my family.
Actual Rule breaker, trying to get to the TTC from the Poly, where you cross the driveway, a Mini-van (Mommy Missile) nearly hit my wife who was crossing last. It was myself, my daughter, then my wife. Nearly hit by an un-attentive driver lost with a GPS/phone in hand, and a cup of coffee in the other knee driving, taking direction from the wife.

"ECV zooming" this happens regularly. I see it all the time, the queue is full and they "zoom" in and expect preferential treatment regardless of how long the other folks have been waiting. Once upon a time the ADA dictated "that" treatment. However recently the law has changed and they are required to wait their fair turn like everyone else. But I will say drivers do everything they can to try and help. Including asking a loaded bus to make room. And/or call dispatch for another bus. In which case is usually only minutes away. I'm sure the folks who use ECV's would be happy not to need them. Those things are great tools if you need them but even the ADA says it doesn't give you license to jump a line.

 

[Tom Morrow]

The funniest thing to me about people who blast flash pictures on dark rides is that they are blatantly displaying that they know nothing about photography and didn't bother to learn any of the functions on their camera.

 

[rob0519]

"ECV zooming" this happens regularly. I see it all the time, the queue is full and they "zoom" in and expect preferential treatment regardless of how long the other folks have been waiting. Once upon a time the ADA dictated "that" treatment. However recently the law has changed and they are required to wait their fair turn like everyone else. But I will say drivers do everything they can to try and help. Including asking a loaded bus to make room. And/or call dispatch for another bus. In which case is usually only minutes away. I'm sure the folks who use ECV's would be happy not to need them. Those things are great tools if you need them but even the ADA says it doesn't give you license to jump a line.

Just looking for clarification here. We rarely take Disney buses. The last time we did, Disney policy for people in ECVs was to pull up to the front of a bus queue and be loaded onto the empty bus first, with their guests, before anyone else was allowed to board, no matter how long they had been standing and waiting. Are you saying that is no longer policy and ECV riders have to wait in line with everyone else?

 

[Goofyernmost]

I was gonna let this go, but I just can't.



This is completely in your mind, Goof. In fact, I think I said at one point that I'm sure I'm guilty of stopping dead in a high traffic area. That doesn't make it right for everyone to do it, nor does it make it any less irritating when you're on the receiving end of this behavior.

You know what... we have been arguing the same argument. Irritating yes, but what exactly is the positive about being irritated by something that we both agreed that we might have done ourselves. We, as humans, are likely to encounter many instances of irritation over things that we turn around and do ourselves. The thing about people stopping is so uneventful that it just makes it almost seem to me that we are just looking for something to be upset about. All we have to do is step around them. No one get injured, no one losses any measurable amount of time and all it took was a small muscular movement to slightly alter our path and leave the irritation behind. That's all I'm saying, like you said, I am aware that I have unintentionally done it myself, so for me to get irritated because someone else did it when we were in the path, is just an exercise in unjustifiable futility.

If anyone thinks that the group, large or small, all had the same thought at the same time... hey, let's these people behind us off and just stop in the sidewalk. That will teach them to not follow us. That would be the height of paranoia and if given enough thought would realize just how little sense it makes. They stopped, but, there was no malice, there was no plan to make our lives miserable, just people being people distracted by their surroundings that, btw, have been designed to be distracting or are maybe they are just temporarily lost their bearings. I have to ask what about that should irritate us? If you wish to be irritated, then there is nothing I can say to stop you... but, I do believe that getting ourselves over things like that will go a long way to making our own lives more fun and way less stressful. It's almost like thinking we can or should be able to control which direction the wind blows, when the tides come in and what time in the morning the sun comes up. Things we get upset about that we cannot control only hurt our own emotions, not that of others.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Just looking for clarification here. We rarely take Disney buses. The last time we did, Disney policy for people in ECVs was to pull up to the front of a bus queue and be loaded onto the empty bus first, with their guests, before anyone else was allowed to board, no matter how long they had been standing and waiting. Are you saying that is no longer policy and ECV riders have to wait in line with everyone else?

I'm not sure if it changed or not, but, the idea that ecv's or wheelchairs load first in buses is very basic and really has very little to do with ADA, in fact it's was one of the few things that make sense. If you had a bus full of people attempting to load a motorized, wheeled vehicles into that scenario is going to be dangerous and painful for everyone. Even without that thought since people in those situations are not able to control when get access to the vehicle. Able bodied people, with working legs, back, or whatever will always beat them on the bus leaving them stranded forever. It's the only way to be sure it works.

I don't know if this still exists but for a time, especially in public transit, if you came upon a person that needed to ride you were supposed to go to whatever lengths it took to make that happen even if it meant that people seated in the device securing area could be forced off the bus to accommodate. If the areas were actually being used by others with the same need, then you could tell them they had to wait until the next bus. Judging from the observations of people now, there is a little more freedom in determining if boarding a passenger with a device is possible without making people get off the bus. Stand perhaps, but, not get off. On the balance side of the equation, those that get to board first are also the last ones off. It all equals out. There still is, I believe, a time limitation at how long the ADA passenger can be asked to wait. It used to be about 30 minutes before they had to be transported one way or the other. I know that in todays world everyone thinks that anyone in that situation are faking it and trying to use the system. That seems to make us all seem pretty petty and uncaring.

I know from experience that you can be perfectly healthy one minute and unable to even stand up the next. None of us are immune to that type of situation. After an extended time of rehab I am once again able to move normally and pray everyday that I never go back to that other need. I am now happy to be able to stand and wait while someone else less fortunate, gets a very small accommodation to help them out. There may be some that will take advantage of that situation, but, if you only knew just how much work it is to be able to ride around in a group of mobile people it would never bother you again and you would know how few would gain anything by doing that.

 

[rob0519]

I'm not sure if it changed or not, but, the idea that ecv's or wheelchairs load first in buses is very basic and really has very little to do with ADA, in fact it's was one of the few things that make sense. If you had a bus full of people attempting to load a motorized, wheeled vehicles into that scenario is going to be dangerous and painful for everyone. Even without that thought since people in those situations are not able to control when get access to the vehicle. Able bodied people, with working legs, back, or whatever will always beat them on the bus leaving them stranded forever. It's the only way to be sure it works.

I don't know if this still exists but for a time, especially in public transit, if you came upon a person that needed to ride you were supposed to go to whatever lengths it took to make that happen even if it meant that people seated in the device securing area could be forced off the bus to accommodate. If the areas were actually being used by others with the same need, then you could tell them they had to wait until the next bus. Judging from the observations of people now, there is a little more freedom in determining if boarding a passenger with a device is possible without making people get off the bus. Stand perhaps, but, not get off. On the balance side of the equation, those that get to board first are also the last ones off. It all equals out. There still is, I believe, a time limitation at how long the ADA passenger can be asked to wait. It used to be about 30 minutes before they had to be transported one way or the other. I know that in todays world everyone thinks that anyone in that situation are faking it and trying to use the system. That seems to make us all seem pretty petty and uncaring.

I know from experience that you can be perfectly healthy one minute and unable to even stand up the next. None of us are immune to that type of situation. After an extended time of rehab I am once again able to move normally and pray everyday that I never go back to that other need. I am now happy to be able to stand and wait while someone else less fortunate, gets a very small accommodation to help them out. There may be some that will take advantage of that situation, but, if you only knew just how much work it is to be able to ride around in a group of mobile people it would never bother you again and you would know how few would gain anything by doing that.

This was really part of the point I was trying to clarify. I didn't think loading the ECVs first was an ADA regulation. I always thought it was a Disney internal policy based on trying to get the vehicle on an empty bus rather than trying to squeeze it only an already full or partially full bus.