Gullywhumper
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Hopefully some changes will be made soon, but we can only hope.
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When is enough enough?
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BuddyThomas
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This is so true. And don't forget that all the resort rooms now have those hellish energy efficient air conditioner things that automatically shut off as soon as they sense no motion in the room. So when you go to sleep, the until shuts off and you wake up in a puddle of sweat.
WondersOfLife
Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
That's where you made your mistake. Disneyland seems to have always had better quality than WDW since WDW opened. I went for the first time a couple of years ago and I was so shocked at how amazing everything was. So much more detail and you can definitely tell there is better maintenance on DL's attractions. Even the WDW replica rides don't match up very well to the Disneyland versions.
Quite frankly, I wish I lived California, because I would much rather go there. Everything is in one spot, and everything is done better.
Disney World is for the tourists who can only come about once or twice in their lives, and Disneyland is for the locals and repeats, for people who go their on a normal basis. That's definitely got to be the main reason.
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
There is a way to bypass those thermostats!
BuddyThomas
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I looked it up online and there are a lot of videos on how to bypass it, some of them involving hanging a helium balloon in front of the vent, and some having to do with pushing two buttons at once or something. Whether any of that work depends on the air system being used.
Not to hijack the thread but this is out of control at many hotels now, all over the country and presumably the world. All being couched as "energy efficiency" but clearly it is nothing but a cynical move to save the resort or hotel money.
I will say that when we stayed at the Royal Pacific at Universal and found one of these things in our room, we asked if anything could be done and they sent an engineer with a tool box who did an "over ride". I don't know what he did but after that, everything was nice and cool the rest of the stay.
Now back to your regularly scheduled thread about being done with Disney.
Goofyernmost
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I think that they expected that it was possible. It had been around a long time and had many fans. There is no telling what those fans might do for memorabilia.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Not so - DL was pretty stagnant through the 70s.. and hit much worse levels than WDW has ever during the worst of the Pressler/Harris years in the early 2000s. DL has maintained a pretty good average since the 50th in 2005. What you see now is much of what the 50th started, combined with the boost of DCA v2.
DL has more history... is right down the road from the mothership.. and certainly is handled differently because of it. Add to that the 'please the locals' business they've built up since the 80s and they certainly turn things over much more frequently than WDW which, as you said, caters its product more to the less frequently out of towners.
Spike-in-Berlin
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Exactly. And they also adjusted the AC manual control, years ago you could cool the room down at the Pop to at least 62 degrees if I remember correctly, during our last stay it was already 68 degrees as the absolute minimum. Those are not minor changes and not minor complaints, if you are not used to the Central Florida climate in June or August, this is a major problem if you cannot sleep in an adequately cooled room.
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HatboxGhost
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Coming from my 80s metal years and seeing bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Ozzy, Metallica, Megadeth, and so on, I find it funny and have to ask the question........Does Off Kilter REALLY need security for those out of control, head banging, mosh pit fans? 
Susan Savia
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We were there. The crowd WAS orderly. Off Kilter was the best entertainment Epcot had. It was shoulder to shoulder that last day to see them. Why isn't the group in Mexico leaving? We always keep walking when their performing.
copcarguyp71
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On our trip in 2013 we went with the intent of booking a bounceback for this (2014) October. During that trip and others from 2006 on we had been noticing little things but they all finally started adding up for us.
The juggernaut outbuild of DVC (which I belittle nobody who is member) which will just serve to increase the already high crowd levels is frightening in itself which was a big factor. But empty unused buildings and areas within the park, 180 day dining reservations, ride reservations, Magic Bands, The need to carry a smart phone to get the most of a vacation (I go on vacation to get away from my phone), turned off fountains, low water pressure everywhere, half done expansions, overlays that try to distract you from the fact that there was no real effort or money put into an attraction upgrade and low priority on fixing things that are broken within the attractions all left us with a bad taste to the point that we gave up on an immediate return. We went to Aruba and had a great time with our vacation dollars there.
We have made a plan to watch the forums and keep tabs on the goings on at WDW but have made a pact that Disney will not see any money from us until at least 2017 when we will re-evaluate.
These are our own personal feelings and as they say "individual results may vary"
The juggernaut outbuild of DVC (which I belittle nobody who is member) which will just serve to increase the already high crowd levels is frightening in itself which was a big factor. But empty unused buildings and areas within the park, 180 day dining reservations, ride reservations, Magic Bands, The need to carry a smart phone to get the most of a vacation (I go on vacation to get away from my phone), turned off fountains, low water pressure everywhere, half done expansions, overlays that try to distract you from the fact that there was no real effort or money put into an attraction upgrade and low priority on fixing things that are broken within the attractions all left us with a bad taste to the point that we gave up on an immediate return. We went to Aruba and had a great time with our vacation dollars there.
We have made a plan to watch the forums and keep tabs on the goings on at WDW but have made a pact that Disney will not see any money from us until at least 2017 when we will re-evaluate.
These are our own personal feelings and as they say "individual results may vary"
Goofyernmost
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The world is a lot different then it was in the 80's. Off Kilter was/is a popular attraction (although in my 30 years of going to Epcot, I have never seen it.) I don't think that they expected problems, but, it is never a sure thing how an emotional fan will react to the last show. It's just a precaution and way, way, way too much is being made of it. Like they say in those police shows... "nothing to see here... keep moving"Coming from my 80s metal years and seeing bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Ozzy, Metallica, Megadeth, and so on, I find it funny and have to ask the question........Does Off Kilter REALLY need security for those out of control, head banging, mosh pit fans?
PolynesianPrincess
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I agree with everything you said, except the part in bold. I wrote a letter to Disney after our trip in November discussing MANY things that were not up to standard for the price we paid for 2 trips, one in September and one in November. We have been annual passholders for 3 years and did not renew due to us not seeing the value in it anymore. I received a phone call from someone at Disney to discuss my letter. Maybe this is EXACTLY what Disney needs to start stepping their game back up. If no one complains directly to Disney (not on a forum like this) or expresses their concern with things they had a bad experience with, Disney will rest on its laurels and keep things as it is. Hardcore Disney fans like us, we know what's going on right now in the parks isn't their best. They're taking steps in the right direction (New Fantasyland, Frozen replacing Maelstrom (even though I disagree with this) and Avatar) but then again they are also taking steps in the wrong direction (cutting WS entertainment, limiting FP to 3...)
We have no plans to visit WDW other than 1 night at MVMCP in November. We've been to the party twice already so we won't be focusing on the party stuff but rather the attractions. $30 less than an MK 1 day pass and we still get 8 hours in the park. This is following a 7 day cruise on DCL that we see far more value in. What would have been 2 trips to WDW in April and November next year are now going to be a 5 night cruise on the Wonder and a 7 night stay at Disneyland where we will purchase APs so we can return in 2016. We had our first visit to DL this year and found it to be much better than our experiences at WDW in the last few years so we will spend our money there and on DCL for the foreseeable future. I'm actually very happy and proud that we are sticking with our decision to stop going rather than caving and giving in and booking a trip because "we still love it, even though it's not up to our standards and perceived value"
flynnibus
Premium Member
Sure let them know your dissatisfaction... but no one should feel like they are leaving a relationship or are breaking up with someone. Disney won't ever love you back... so don't let yourself fall in love with it.
Phonedave
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Same thing here.
There was a thread recently about how you went to WDW when you had no money. I said on that thread that despite the fact it was difficult for me to affort, back then WDW was worth the money to me. Now, when it is easier to afford, it no longer has that same worth.
What matters to me may or may not be what matters to others. The point is, WDW is no longer a multi-trip per year entertainment venue for me. I did not send them a "Dear John" letter - but I do respond to their surveys - candidly. There are still many things about WDW that I DO enjoy, but the total package is not there. If they fixed some things to my liking I might enjoy the total package once again. They are not going to know what I like, if I don't tell them.
-dave
JillC LI
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Phonedave
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And honestly, Disney does not own anybody anything either (Shareholder return not withstanding). People can refer to Walt's vision and Off Kilter, and how the parks used to be all they want. The bottom line is Disney is a publicly traded company - it's main responsibility is to return value to it's shareholders, not to make the fans on this board happy. Granted, those responsibilities may at times be aligned, but that is just a happy coincidence.
-dave
Disnee4Me
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Having first gone to WDW in '81 for short little visits and then one to two weeks visits starting in '91, I sure have seen my share of changes in the world. It is kind of crazy that you have to make dining reservations six months out ... how do I know I'll feel like eating Japanese that day???? I remember in '02, my DS was looking through one of the guidebooks and said "let's take grandma to LTT for her birthday". This was the day before, and we got reservations for the next night, no problem (party of 9) ... we are talking in August ... peak crowd time. And as far as pricing, yes $99 for one day is a lot of $$$, but try going to a Broadway play and getting great seats for less than that ... and it's over in 2-3 hours. For $99 you could get 12-16 hours in a park, depending on the time of year. So while it seems crazy, in reality it's not all THAT bad. Sometimes you just need to take a break. We haven't been since Christmas '09, mostly for financial reasons, and because I insisted taking the DSs to Italy for our 25th wedding anniversary ... time they saw where their great grandparents and their beloved Noni (my mom) lived. So I'm earning those Disney $$$ and we'll probably take our last trip together as a family for Christmas 2015. Then I think I'll start building up $$$ for a Disney cruise for a change!! 
rob0519
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There isn't a lottery big enough in this country to allow you to even come close to replicating the World Showcase. The largest Jackpot was approximately $645 million dollars. Taken in a lump sum that is reduced to about $375 million dollars. Pay the government their tax of 39.6% or approx. $150 million and you're left with $225 million dollars. Enough to thoroughly enjoy the World Showcase as it is today, but certainly not enough to build your own with out major partners or financing. I'm not surprised no one has ever considered it.
SagamoreBeach
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I think back to my first visit to WDW as an adult; I was completely taken in with just about everything and couldn't wait to return. The following year Animal Kingdom opened and took 3 trips there. Then AKL opened and I believe I took 6 trips that year to AKL. Couldn't get enough. then for several years it was two to three trips a year. After awhile things just didn't seem as magical - oh I still had a great time but it just seemed like the shine had worn off. Nothing I could really put a finger on. Then I decided to take a break and hadn't gone in about 5 years and guess what? That shine was there again. So I'm not doing the trips like I once did. Going once every couple of years will keep it fresh and exciting. When you're complaining about dust behind a window curtain..then maybe it's time to move on for a bit.
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