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When are you going to fix that yeti?

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
Some people said the structure was the issue, some people said it was the mechanics of the Yeti, some people said it was a sinkhole... I have no idea what the actual issue was/is... Seem like they could even projection map that entire room to be collapsing and if possible animate the Yeti's head and face... some super basic movement with the collapsing cavern all done in projection... At least that would give it some movement and not a tacky strobelight....
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
Some people said the structure was the issue, some people said it was the mechanics of the Yeti, some people said it was a sinkhole... I have no idea what the actual issue was/is... Seem like they could even projection map that entire room to be collapsing and if possible animate the Yeti's head and face... some super basic movement with the collapsing cavern all done in projection... At least that would give it some movement and not a tacky strobelight....
From 2016

I've been meaning to post this for quite a while, but just haven't had time. Thanks to a recent reminder from @Master Yoda to try and shed some light on the Yeti debacle....

Ok, so back in September I was at a conference at WDW, and the wife decided to book a Dine With An Imagineer lunch at DHS. I skipped one of my educational sessions to do this, and we ended up with a 2-for-1. The main imagineer was a Show Design and Production manager, who was a DWAI veteran (and most recently involved in the Frozen Ever After project); the other guy was a mechanical engineer in charge of show quality, who was a newbie-in-training, at least when it came to these dinners. He explained to us that it was his job to do periodic "reviews" of the rides, and point out areas where show quality is falling below certain standards. He's also heavily involved in maintaining ride systems and animatronics. It was a fantastic experience, and we learned a lot about how things work behind the scenes, but nearing the end of our time, I (obviously) couldn't resist bringing up the Yeti.

Immediately upon my mentioning the Yeti, I could see that it was an obvious a sore spot for him. He stated that there have been multiple proposals put forth for repairing it, but none of the "big shots" have been on board. As for the specific problem, he mentioned that there are a couple of factors: flaws in the original "design calculations" (these were his words), particularly with regard to operational and maintenance conditions on such a large animatronic, and inability to perform proper maintenance on the Yeti. No mention of "shifting/failed foundations" as is often suggested. As a practicing structural engineer, I wanted to know whether this was the problem, and he indicated that the main issue is the animatronic itself.

The other factor is the ability to perform maintenance on the animatronic. I think this is the source of rumors that they "can't replace /fix it without opening up the mountain" rumors, but it's actually much simpler, and this issue ties into the first. He specifically talked about unanticipated stresses in parts of the animatronic due to lack of maintenance in other parts. If one of the motors in the yeti's elbow wears out or isn't functioning properly, but they continue to operate under those conditions, then higher stresses are transferred to the shoulder and chest, etc. My best guess regarding his comments about "incorrect calculations" is that he was referring to fatigue related problems in the robotic parts, and possibly in other structural supports.

The other major factor is that things have changed dramatically at WDW in the last few years regarding their compliance with OSHA standards for maintenance and fall protection. Any new work done to get the Yeti operational means that they have to update the design to meet these standards, so that ongoing maintenance on the animatronic can be safely performed. This would involve major upgrades to allow compliance with fall protection and other things related to maintenance workers.

It was encouraging at least to see how much it bothered him that it didn't work. He brought up the Universal dig re: their Kong animatronic (it moves...) and said that he and his colleagues all read blogs and other social media comments for research and to pick up on things they miss in their reviews. So, there you have it. Take it for what it's worth, but this guy was no bus driver...;)
 

EagleScout610

Owner of a RKF - Resting Kermit Face
Premium Member
Current Disney is responsible for the pathetic display of Tiana's Bayou Adventure, where things break so often they couldn't scrape together any footage of it functioning perfectly for Disney Plus.

Current Disney "refurbished" Little Mermaid so well that Ariel's neck snapped like two weeks after. Has she started moving again yet? Last I checked they were running the ride with two broken Ariels (AND the less obviously broken Ursula). On a good day it's just the one broken Ariel and Ursula.

Current Disney can't be bothered to fix the stupid deer on Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, a simple animatronic on one of their most popular rides which constantly takes in cash from LL sales.

Current Disney lets Dinosaur run in a downright embarrassing state.

("But WorldExplorer; Dinosaur is closing so it doesn't count!" Between the announcement and the closing, 2.5+ million people will ride it and those people pay full price. They deserve a fully functioning ride. And let's not pretend it was running tip top shape until the announcement; it's Disney's fault it got this bad to begin with.)

Current Disney isn't fixing the yeti. If anything, we're much further away than we've ever been from it getting fixed because now they've had 15+ years of positive reinforcement to not fix the yeti. The merchandise still sells, they're willing to put it in ads, and any time it comes up fans jump to the ride's defense to assure people it's still a good ride with a broken yeti.
Current Disney has let Figment exist in pretty miserable shape for God knows how long and just brought a "refurbished" figure back with its movement still visibly limited.

Current Disney let Splash Mountain run in an absolutely abysmal condition before closing that may take the cake for worst shape a WDW attraction has been in. (Much like Dinosaur, guests were still riding and paying, so they should have gotten a good quality attraction, whether it was on death's door or not.)

Current Disney can't keep the existing effects on Expedition Everest (bird, station fog, waterfalls) working consistently.

Current Disney opened the Walt Disney show where Walt looks like Temu Walt and broke down on the first day, and will probably repeat this blunder at Carousel of Progress.

(The list could go on and on)

I wouldn't be shocked if many people at current Disney doesn't even know the yeti was an animatronic at one point and has always been a statue.
 

Disgruntled Walt

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I saw the Yeti in A-mode at least four or five times on my trips in '06 and '07, and I was very disappointed by it. The placement is terrible, making the Yeti seem much smaller than it actually is. The speed at which you travel made the motion appear more minimal than it was. They should have put the yeti at the end of the backwards section, and he should have looked like this:
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Obviously, and to continue with this fun terminology, current Disney is actually working to improve some things at WDW for once (beyond just new paint). BTMRR, Buzz, CBJ, FEA, TT, as well as CoP’s planned changes. I hope that this continues. I don’t know if something has changed to some degree within the machinations of the company, but one can argue that it is nice to see this. Who knows, maybe Vaughn is way better at highlighting changes to improve the guest experience. Or maybe Josh knows that parks are the big, continuous revenue stream for the company, and WDW is supposed to be the flagship resort so maybe we should treat it as such and put more money into it.

As far ads those that say WDI has had a huge drop off in talent, well…. Have you seen Frozen, Tangled and Peter Pan at TDS? They would like to have a word. WDI most likely had large and appropriate enough budgets for the Imagineers to really stretch their wings. I always laugh at that scene in the Imagineering Story when Eisner argues that instead of giving people huge sums of money to allow for creativity, he instead found it much better to place creatives in a box (i.e. limited funds) to force them to become more “creative” in their design approach. Spoken like a true company man lol.

As far as the Yeti goes, wouldn’t it be really expensive to fix/redesign? I’ve seen it discussed over and over within these very forums. Wouldn’t part of the ride’s foundation in this section need to be repaired also (or something like that - I am clearly not an engineer). I will say, in the current climate of some ride “plussing”, or as with BTMRR - a huge capital expense project - if this thing was ever going to be fixed, maybe it has a shot?
Current Disney is losing customers when there is ZERO economic reason for them to be in this GREAT World…

So reverse engineer it: doesn’t plussing make more sense when you’re leaking oil for appearances? The real solution is investment to Regain your rep as a world class place to go and continue to innovate…but that’s a lot more expensive and messes with the lightning lane model
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I saw the Yeti in A-mode at least four or five times on my trips in '06 and '07, and I was very disappointed by it. The placement is terrible, making the Yeti seem much smaller than it actually is. The speed at which you travel made the motion appear more minimal than it was. They should have put the yeti at the end of the backwards section, and he should have looked like this:
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You’re comparing it to a sketch?

The real thing?


Ok then…the point is that it’s the signature point in the ride…and it’s been broken for 20 years. That’s ok? Because people that say “it’s great without out” just don’t get it. It was a WDI ride with it…without it’s just a B level rollercoaster at best.

The problem with the speed was it diverted your attention from the AA…if you didn’t know to look for it…

I seem to remember not being disappointed in 05 and 06 before it went
 

WorldExplorer

Well-Known Member
Some of y’all are wild. “Current Disney isn’t fixing this!” Yeah, and neither did past Disney. It’s been broken for twenty years. Acting like imagineers of the past would have had it fixed ignores the fact that they didn’t.

Someone was proposing current Disney is more likely than past Disney to fix it; that's what the post was referring to. Obviously no version of Disney did fix it, but we're not on a path more likely to find a solution right now than we were when it broke.
 

Disgruntled Walt

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
You’re comparing it to a sketch?

The real thing?
Sketches can turn into reality. I think this sketch would have been a cooler animatronic than the one they built.

The problem with the speed was it diverted your attention from the AA…if you didn’t know to look for it…
Even when you knew to look for it, it just wasn't that impressive to me.

I seem to remember not being disappointed in 05 and 06 before it went
Lucky you! I was nine years old, obsessed with Bigfoot & the Yeti, animatronics, and roller coasters. I had really really high expectations, and they were not met. Having seen the fully functional Carnotaurus, and being told the Yeti was bigger and more impressive, I was quite disappointed.

It was a WDI ride with it…without it’s just a B level rollercoaster at best.
Sure, it's not a hyper-coaster or a Universal (Six Flags) Velocicoaster, but it's pretty great, especially in the back row. I rode front and back this past summer after eight years absent, and I was completely blown away by the difference. And the backwards-in-the-dark portion is simply stellar.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Some of y’all are wild. “Current Disney isn’t fixing this!” Yeah, and neither did past Disney. It’s been broken for twenty years. Acting like imagineers of the past would have had it fixed ignores the fact that they didn’t.
It broke well after Iger took over as CEO. Remind us who the CEO is these days? Since the buck stops there and he made the comment about Everest being some roller coaster themed to India or something.
 

BlakeW39

Well-Known Member
I don’t think you’ll find many who genuinely argue that A mode wasn’t better. The issue is that, due to its placement, B mode is not obviously broken or diminished. When most animatronics break or switch into B mode, even casual observers can tell something is wrong. For Everest, I would be surprised if anyone without intimate knowledge of the park wonders why the figure isn’t moving. That doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t fix it at the very least as a matter of pride, but it’s also obvious why it’s uniquely ignorable.

Casual observers "can't tell" the yeti is broken because casual observers can't tell he's there. They turned the lights off.

Quite frankly, I would rather have an "obviously diminished," but visible B-mode yeti, than the current situation, where he may as well be removed entirely.
 

MR.Dis

Well-Known Member
Those of us who are older and saw the original will always be disappointed in the current state. Last year went with my then 7 year old grand son and he loved the ride--forced us to take him on it 3 times. We see things thru different eyes, if you do not know better it is not a disappointment.
 

BlakeW39

Well-Known Member
Some of y’all are wild. “Current Disney isn’t fixing this!” Yeah, and neither did past Disney. It’s been broken for twenty years. Acting like imagineers of the past would have had it fixed ignores the fact that they didn’t.

I'm sorry but this argument makes 0 sense. Past Disney in this context obviously means pre-2006/8. I'm not saying Eisner and Wells would have fixed it but the only person who has actually failed to do so for "twenty years" has been Iger, i.e. current Disney. No one seriously is referring to 2007 Iger as the "past Disney" we should be longing for.
 

bmr1591

Well-Known Member
Casual observers "can't tell" the yeti is broken because casual observers can't tell he's there. They turned the lights off.

Quite frankly, I would rather have an "obviously diminished," but visible B-mode yeti, than the current situation, where he may as well be removed entirely.

This is silly. Everyone sees the yeti. Most don’t know it ever moved.
 

BlakeW39

Well-Known Member
This is silly. Everyone sees the yeti. Most don’t know it ever moved.

No, that is not true. Every new person I have taken on the ride had to be told there was a yeti AA. You may think everyone sees the yeti because you spend your time on a Disney fan forum where everyone knows what to look for but I assure you, many casual guests who ride that ride miss the yeti entirely.
 

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