What's wrong with wishes???

[marni1971]

Perhaps I should have used the word `safety` and not `security` :wave: - though not directly a show sensitive area, a fallout zone was nontheless entered and the inpark firing was disabled by the lead tech in the hub.

The new shells arnt radical changes, more a plussing of the show with little details in a way that used to be the norm. You may not notice them, but the wish comets are a different type of shell with less smoke and more sparkle, and the `blue fairy` spread is a brighter blue with more golden, glittery tails. Reds are now more red overall too instead of the pinky purple used before, mostly noticable in the Sorcerers Apprentice section. These and other little enhancements should ensure the show continues to evolve and maintain its impact for a good time to come.

 

[iheartdisney91]

this is completely sad. lol i hope its not a change, wishes has always been soooo amazing!

 

[CaptainAshley]

Haha, sweatshirt moms... I'm happy to finally know what that means too. Does it have bear any reference to the massive array of brightly colored Pooh and Minnie sweatshirts I fold and refold all day at TDS where I work?

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Perhaps I should have used the word `safety` and not `security` :wave: - though not directly a show sensitive area, a fallout zone was nontheless entered and the inpark firing was disabled by the lead tech in the hub.

The new shells arnt radical changes, more a plussing of the show with little details in a way that used to be the norm. You may not notice them, but the wish comets are a different type of shell with less smoke and more sparkle, and the `blue fairy` spread is a brighter blue with more golden, glittery tails. Reds are now more red overall too instead of the pinky purple used before, mostly noticable in the Sorcerers Apprentice section. These and other little enhancements should ensure the show continues to evolve and maintain its impact for a good time to come.

Wow...Now when will ROE get this kinda treatment? Wishes didn't need it IMHO.

 

[teebin]

All attractions in Fantasyland are open during Wishes, ebcause they're all under-cover from any fireworks fallout. They only shut down the two stores nearest the Castle (Sir Mickey's and...Tinker Belle's Treasures?) because the only way to get to them is through the open area.

There are ropes across the walkways on either side of the carousel with CMs stationed there to prevent people from entering the area. While that area is closed off, Snow White and Philharmagic re-configure their queues so that you enter in a different location than normal, and Snow White's exit also re-routes underneath the queue covering. So even though parts of the Snow White queue and the carousel itself are inside the roped-off area, they're OK because they're under cover.

They also rope off the ends of the two pathways that lead up to either side of the Castle from Cosmic Rays and Sleepy Hollow. If any guests are leaving Cinderella's Royal Table, they will be escorted out through the front of the Castle.

There are also techs who constantly monitor the closed-off areas, and will inhibit the rooftop fireworks if any unauthorized person (CM or Guest) is within that zone. So if a Guest ignores the CMs at the ropes and pushes their way past them, those fireworks WILL stop.

-Rob

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I had no idea so much safety went into the production or that people were monitoring these areas so closely and that they could pull the plug on any part of the show so quickly. Makes sense, just hadn't thought about it before.

 

[marni1971]

I had no idea so much safety went into the production or that people were monitoring these areas so closely and that they could pull the plug on any part of the show so quickly.

Wind direction and launch/fallout areas are monitored in real time, and the launch tech has the ability to disable any one - or number of - launchers in realtime should conditions warrant it, and also re enable any launcher as and when deemed safe - right down to individual cues.

Wow...Now when will ROE get this kinda treatment?

It has already begun, and not just the LCD screen.

 

[disneychick53]

So we hit three parks with the in-laws yesterday (whew! don't want to do that again!) and finished at MK to check out Wishes. Now, they don't go all the time and in fact, this was the first time Love's father was at Disney in like 20 years. It was a special trip with five of us there. Just for the holidays, enjoying the special decorations and the Castle lights.

Well imagine my surprise then when Wishes started....and went completely to crap. It was awful!! The show was seriously broken. At the very beginning, we had two of the wishes... "shooting star" fireworks (the single ones that shoot up from either side and cross each other's path) AND THEN NO MORE. The whole show - NONE. They just didn't have them.

And all the lower-level fireworks were missing. ALL OF THEM. Genie's segment where they burst from either side; the Evil Queen's launched side ones; the single RED ones that pop up during Fantasia section (my favorite part) - ALL GONE! Only the upper air ones went off. (And not even all of those - the Evil Queen's yellow burst at the end above the Castle when she laughs were missing.) So there were BIG gaps where it was just music and NO fireworks.

IT WAS AWFUL.

I thought maybe things were broken because seriously EVERY SINGLE FIREWORK that is the lower launch was missing but then they had just a handful at the end in the finale.

SO WHAT GIVES??? Why is Wishes so severely broken? I mean, it was at least a third of the show's fireworks that were just not there. And I mean, sections where there was NOTHING going on because of it.

MISSING:

All of that AND WAY MORE was missing. Just to give you an example of how bad and butchered it was.

Is this how it's going to be from now on?? Because it was seriously disappointing. I'm going to write Disney a letter about it. This wasn't just a shell here or there missing, it was ENTIRE aspects badly torn out, leaving HUGE holes. (I wanted to go to Guest Services and ask what was up last night but Love didn't want to with his parents there.)

Horrible people. And sad. What gives??

when I was up this weekend saw wishes Saturday night then:xmas: Sunday morning sign said next wishes would be Monday night

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

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It has already begun, and not just the LCD screen.

:sohappy:

Good to know.

*dances*

I think thiS is Dance worthy?:lookaroun

 

[jt04]

:sohappy:

Good to know.

*dances*

I think thiS is Dance worthy?:lookaroun

Sounds kinda blue Sky to me :lookaroun

 

[dvitali]

Can anybody with firework knowledge explain how the heart/ boxes / (upside down) Smiley face was done during wishes. I was really surprise since I never saw this in any firework show before.

 

[PeoplemoverTTA]

but yes they tend to wear swearshirts, usually they have a date on them, typically when the last time they went to WDW, you may find a sweatshirtmom in your local mall or grocery store, they usually wear the grey sweatshirts that are worn out with a faded of image daisy duck on them.

I have one of these sweatshirts....but with Stitch (hold on though, it was purchased during my 2004 trip, before I rode SGE for the first time...all I knew was I liked the movie). FWIW, that's the last WDW or DL sweatshirt I've purchased that didn't fall apart within a few washes (still going strong! :animwink.

For the record, I am not a mom, and I do not smell fumes

I do like a good WDW or DL sweatshirt, though...I will hereby consider myself an exception to the rule :lol:

 

[Rob562]

Can anybody with firework knowledge explain how the heart/ boxes / (upside down) Smiley face was done during wishes. I was really surprise since I never saw this in any firework show before.

I saw a special on TV quite a few years ago about shapes in fireworks, so this is all a bit hazy... I don't know all the mechanics of it, but I can give you a couple visuals so you can get a general idea.

Imagine a round, shallow container, something like a petri-dish, but made out of cardboard. Within that dish, you place small colored balls of whatever the burning "dots" are made of. You arrange them in the shape that you want them to be in the sky. (A heart, a frowning face, etc)
Now, you fill all the space around those dots with black gunpowder.

The shell is designed so that when it gets fired up in the air, the shell explodes, igniting the colored dots. Because of how it's designed, each colored dot will be thrown away from the center of the shell in the same pattern as they were arranged inside it. So dots closer to the outside egde will be thrown farther than those toward the middle.

The shape only works because it's exploding along a single plane, rather than a 3-dimensional starburst like most other firework shells. The design of the shell *tries* to keep the shell oriented toward the audience, but wind conditions and manufacturing variations and cause a shell to tumble in the air. That's why you'll get a sideways or upside down heart. But because they fire off half a dozen, they only need a couple of them to appear "heart like" for the audience to get it.

I hope that gives you a general idea.

-Rob

 

[sillyspook13]

Something similar happened one night when I was watching shortly after the debut of Wishes. Somewhere between the end of the evil section and the beginning of the finale all of the fireworks from the main launch site stopped. There were only the rooftop fireworks through the whole finale. It was quite surreal...:lookaroun

 

[utrythinkinof1]

The shape only works because it's exploding along a single plane, rather than a 3-dimensional starburst like most other firework shells. The design of the shell *tries* to keep the shell oriented toward the audience, but wind conditions and manufacturing variations and cause a shell to tumble in the air. That's why you'll get a sideways or upside down heart. But because they fire off half a dozen, they only need a couple of them to appear "heart like" for the audience to get it.

I hope that gives you a general idea.

-Rob

It seems the frowning face in Wishes is oriented towards the audience like 10% of the time. :dazzle: Quite frustrating! The numbers during the New Years countdown last year seemed much more reliable.

 

[DarkSoldier55]

just saw Wishes tonight, the 15th, and it was perfect. I think that the show that you saw was just a fluke. going to see Holiday Wishes tomorrow, hopefully it is just as perfect.

 

[Rob562]

It seems the frowning face in Wishes is oriented towards the audience like 10% of the time. :dazzle: Quite frustrating! The numbers during the New Years countdown last year seemed much more reliable.

You know, the frowning face is the one effect in the show that I don't like. I think it's a little too.....I'm not sure how to describe it. Cheesy? Cutesy? Simplistic? Gag-like?
I'm actually happy when I see it mis-fire.

If they're only at the level (either technically or financially) of a simplistic frowning face, I'd much rather see something else entirely. I doubt there's much call for pyro of a frowning face, so you know that it's got to be a special-order item for Disney. If they aren't able to have something that actually looks like the mirror and/or mirror's face, I think they should just do away with that shell.

(Dreaming total Blue Sky here, I think it'd be cool for that phrase in the show ("Let me see thy face!") to have one shell that explodes in the shape of the mirror frame on "Let" so that it hangs in the air for the duration of the phrase, and another that explodes within the frame on "face" with the shape of the mirror's face. Of course to do that, it would require VERY custom shells, a way to ensure that the pyro stays oriented toward the park audience, and most likely an air-launch system to ensure accurate placement of the shells in the air)

-Rob

 

[WDW Monorail]

I saw a special on TV quite a few years ago about shapes in fireworks, so this is all a bit hazy... I don't know all the mechanics of it, but I can give you a couple visuals so you can get a general idea.

Imagine a round, shallow container, something like a petri-dish, but made out of cardboard. Within that dish, you place small colored balls of whatever the burning "dots" are made of. You arrange them in the shape that you want them to be in the sky. (A heart, a frowning face, etc)
Now, you fill all the space around those dots with black gunpowder.

The shell is designed so that when it gets fired up in the air, the shell explodes, igniting the colored dots. Because of how it's designed, each colored dot will be thrown away from the center of the shell in the same pattern as they were arranged inside it. So dots closer to the outside egde will be thrown farther than those toward the middle.

The shape only works because it's exploding along a single plane, rather than a 3-dimensional starburst like most other firework shells. The design of the shell *tries* to keep the shell oriented toward the audience, but wind conditions and manufacturing variations and cause a shell to tumble in the air. That's why you'll get a sideways or upside down heart. But because they fire off half a dozen, they only need a couple of them to appear "heart like" for the audience to get it.

I hope that gives you a general idea.

-Rob

It is exactly as you descried it. Those little balls or "dots" are called stars. They're usually composed of black powder, an oxidizer and a metal. The metal used would vary depending on the desired color wanted when burned. For example, Copper(II) Chloride is used to create a blue color, Strontium is added to produce a red color. As an aside, the Chloride in Copper(II) Chloride acts as an oxidizer.