What's with the wait times!? (hint.. they're low)

SuddenStorm

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I think we can all agree that SW:GE is not necessarily a failure, but it hasn’t performed as well as many of us, both fans and Disney, expected it to.

The land is a failure in the sense that it failed to deliver on what Disney had promised for years. I'm still waiting for a bounty hunter to approach me in the cantina and tell me how Hondo put a price on my head... or for the price haggling in the shops... or for the droids and characters wandering the land. It's a failure in the sense it didn't deliver on the standard set by the rest of Disneyland Park.

I think the land is a lesson in marketing just as much as a lesson in themed design.

Fundamentals in themed design were ignored- the standard that a land should simply be a setting that provides guidelines to the creatives to create a cohesive experience, without requiring guests to study and learn the story for enjoyment. Cars Land doesn't require you to have seen Cars, Potter doesn't require you to have seen any of the movies. The lack of kinetic energy, proper area music, characters, and live entertainment also drag the land down.

Fundamentals in customer service were ignored- like, you know, actually answering customer questions.

Fundamentals in food were ignored- the reviews for the f&b in the land are mixed- Ronto Wrap is said to be good but pricy. Blue Milk is nasty, and was even compared to house paint by Jim Hill. The small cantina and lack of table service restaurant are also issues.

Fundamentals in marketing were ignored as well. Talk about over promising and under delivering...

The Falcon ride is limited only by it's poor mission. It's a video game- the easiest fix will be simply designing a better mission. Star Tours was good not because of the ride system, but because of the incredibly well executed ride film.

Let's look at the positives.

Rise of the Resistance is a fun ride. Sure, it's no Mansion, Pirates, Splash, or Indy- but it's fun. It's gonna be a winner over here in Anaheim, and should do wonders for getting traffic flow in the land. It's just gonna need a creative overhaul as the Disney characters become irrelevant in the next few years.

Most of the issues with marketing, service, and food can (and will) be corrected. Live entertainment and proper music can be added in. The Falcon can get new missions.

The land itself is beautiful, and seeing the Falcon is a draw dropping experience (even if the iteration of the Falcon built represents a continuity error, since it has the wrong dish for the time frame depicted).

This land is a solid template that Disney can improve upon over the next 10 years to deliver on the Star Wars Land we've always wanted.
 

BrianLo

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I do think it will be fun to start watching the Rise Reaction in Disneyland.

Very much sounds like one attraction may finally drive the attendance we expected. Not that the ride improves the hiccoughs and misfires, but it feels like the Flight of Passage-like attraction that may totally drive attendance gains for years.
 

el_super

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It was already decided though that GE is a failure. A few vocal critics on Social Media and message boards declared it so. No evidence to the contrary is allowed.

Don't want to start another argument about the subjective aspects, but if you figure that 4 hour wait is around 4-5 thousand, and SWGE has another 1000 or so, that's easily an extra 10% of those high volume "peak priced" park tickets they could sell today. And thats exactly what they wanted to accomplish.
 

el_super

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Trying to extrapolate anything meaningful on a far extreme outlier attendance day with Mr. Toad at 40 minutes...

Yeah, it means that people don't think Toad is worth a 45 minute wait.

Also reinforces that people are willing to wait longer for things they want to see.
 

mandelbrot

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And a couple hours later the line has dropped in half - so using your curious reasoning the ride got half as popular? Oh, and now the wait is below Hyperspace Mountain so....

Good lord, the desperate attempt to disprove the obvious to defend Disney on these boards is sadly comical.

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FastPass attractions will ALWAYS have longer wait times than non-FP attractions.

A two+ hour wait for a non-FP attraction is a big deal.
 

mandelbrot

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This is one thing I've never fully understood. Isn't the whole point of having fire marshall-enforced capacity limits to not have a situation where crowds become too encumbering?

If, god forbid, there ever is a real emergency on Main Street that requires rapid evacuation, I certainly hope it doesn't come on a full capacity day. I can't imagine it would go well, even with the backstage lanes open.
Fire-marshall-enforced capacity is about safety. We have yet to ever experience a situation when the crowds resulted in a stampede or other crowd-related disasters. The system seems to be working so far.
 

shambolicdefending

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Fire-marshall-enforced capacity is about safety. We have yet to ever experience a situation when the crowds resulted in a stampede or other crowd-related disasters. The system seems to be working so far.
Well, I guess that's the thing. Are we saying it's working because it's been proven out? Or because it's just never been tested by a real emergency?

I really don't know much about it. I just know I personally wouldn't want to be stuck in a full capacity Main Street crowd if something serious was happening that necessitated moving in or out as quickly as possible.
 

George Lucas on a Bench

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fctiger

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Watching the latest FreshBaked video and they are showing how nuts it was in the park this past weekend. I mean WOW!!!! He said SR was up to four hours Saturday morning.

It's crazy THIS is what a lot of us thought GE was going to bring, at least the first few weeks. Now its jammed packed. I think while it sucks the tourists won't get to do ROTR, it was probably a smart move to have the ride open in January instead of this month. It would've been even more crazy on top of the Christmas rush.
 

mandelbrot

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ROTR opening in the middle of January is a clever move in so many ways, but even more so now that there are going to be so many rides under refurbishment at that time. DLR will get the headlines they thought they were going to get last June.
 

Curious Constance

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ROTR opening in the middle of January is a clever move in so many ways, but even more so now that there are going to be so many rides under refurbishment at that time. DLR will get the headlines they thought they were going to get last June.
Eh, maybe. But traveling to Disneyland in January while the kids just went back to school and so many of our other favorite rides are down, and a lot of APs are unblocked doesn’t seem like a great time to go to me. Probably be better to wait until this coming June when APs start getting blacked out, all rides are back, and Star Wars Land is fully opened.
 

Phroobar

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Looking at the Disneyland App, it looks like the parks are pretty slow today. Only 20 minutes for Space Mountain, 20 for Indy, 35 for Haunted Mansion and RSR is 60 minutes. For some reason Target Run is 40 minutes but that is probably inflated.
 

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