What's Still On and What's Now Off

[GladToBeHear]

Sadly I don’t think I’ll be going back to WDW until I can actually have fun there again. Which at this point is definitely not until 2021 or 2022 at the worst.

I agree with you. But my point is I think that's going to be sooner than a lot of people think.

 

[BaconPancakes]

I agree with you. But my point is I think that's going to be sooner than a lot of people think.

Sure Jan...

 

[flynnibus]

Everyday should be a ticketed event...

i still have a hard time thinking people will be satisfied to pay $80-100 a day for 1/4 the usualpark experience

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Everyday should be a ticketed event...

i still have a hard time thinking people will be satisfied to pay $80-100 a day for 1/4 the usualpark experience

So you think they should be charged double for less than a full experience? Because the upcharge events have limited experiences...

 

[GladToBeHear]

The idea that a company which would rather reward me for my bad behavior is going to strictly enforce rules is very hard to believe. It’s not just a matter of enforcement but completely changing a culture where employees will even want to enforce rules and take that risk, reversing a culture that too often punishes employees for enforcing rules.

Yup. I just don't see Disney radically changing this culture after a couple of months of closure. Again, I'm cynical by nature. Disney can have the best of intentions with these measures, but I don't see it working as intended. At least not long.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I just don’t see the proposal working for very long. After the first few people visit, there will be lots of “it is not magical” reviews that will drive business down.

Even us Disney crazy fans are like.... is it fun to stay at the grand floridian if you can’t sit in the lobby and listen to the piano player? Or hang out at the pool? Or grab a coffee with your resort mug? Or whatever else you like to do.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Yup. I just don't see Disney radically changing this culture after a couple of months of closure. Again, I'm cynical by nature. Disney can have the best of intentions with these measures, but I don't see it working as intended. At least not long.

If any of the same employees are around, they can't. It's human nature to fall back into established patterns.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If any of the same employees are around, they can't. It's human nature to fall back into established patterns.

It’s not just the employees but the entire bureaucracy that makes it easier to throw FastPasses at a trouble maker and punish those who don’t take that path.

 

[Jrb1979]

If any of the same employees are around, they can't. It's human nature to fall back into established patterns.

While I agree with that. I do see no parades, no meet and greets, no fireworks staying on place for awhile.

 

[jpeden]

You could see sub $300/night rates on the monorail loop.

Based on what’s been thrown around they’d have to have sub-$200 for to even consider being interested.

 

[flynnibus]

So you think they should be charged double for less than a full experience? Because the upcharge events have limited experiences...

Who said anything about charging more? A ticketed event simply means attendance is limited to those issued a ticket for that day... with the pretense that its used to model and limit capacity more so than usual.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Who said anything about charging more? A ticketed event simply means attendance is limited to those issued a ticket for that day... with the pretense that its used to model and limit capacity more so than usual.

My apologies. I misunderstood.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Based on what’s been thrown around they’d have to have sub-$200 for to even consider being interested.

Then you run the risk of attracting TOO many people.

 

[larryz]

You’re suggesting “be careful not to touch anything” in a Disney park?

I always assumed you had actually been in a park before?....hmmmm

Not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying "just because there's SARS-CoV-2 RMA on a surface doesn't mean there's viable virions there."

If you follow the same precautions you follow in normal Disney trips (replete with norovirus, flu viruses from multiple continents, colds, and only-God-knows-what-else) you'll be fine. I've been to WDW many times... and I don't usually get sick during/after visits (that I can reasonably attribute to being at WDW).

 

[flynnibus]

I think to be viable disney would have to pivot away from the 'big open park experience' they have now and move more towards an organized tour type thing where event capacity is severely limited, schedules are set, people move through what is more a fixed schedule.

This would do away with mingling, wandering, crowd backups, etc. Then imagine being able to view the fireworks from your designated area, etc.

All of this would offer people an experience that could be perceived as a HIGHER experience rather than a 1/5 experience they would get comparing to 'doing the parks as we know them now, but with 1/4 the attractions'. This would allow Disney to charge fuller prices and offer something attractive.

Imagine if every group had a VIP tour... that's the model I'm thinking. No it's not exactly the VIP tour there is now... but you get the idea... move away from the 'wide open theme park wandering' to 'an agenda with limited waiting or variations'

 

[larryz]

Those who are of this perspective are going to have to learn a hard lesson. These new rules will be firmly enforced before entry is allowed and re-enforced once you are inside the park for continued compliance. If you try to follow them to get in and ignore them once in, don't be surprised if you are escorted from the park. The rules will be clearly defined and documented and compliance will be mandatory to be in the parks.

Disney talks a good rules game, but I've very seldom seen any enforced. You're expecting a 180 degree shift in "don't rile the guests."

 

[VaderTron]

A vaccine is not the only end point to this here are some others:

-A safe and effective treatment is discovered that prevents severe disease
-Enough of the population gets it to develop herd immunity
-The virus mutates in a way that causes it to disappear no longer cause severe illness and death.

Treatment is likely to be developed before the vaccine, if it’s effective and safe this all will be over. The second one will happen eventually, but probably take a few years, the last could happen at anytime but is a random chance.

FTFY

 

[GladToBeHear]

SO, I take it you never experienced pre-9/11 security at any airport, theme park, sporting event, concert, or museum? If you had, you'd know that life did not just get "back to normal" with no societal changes.

You make assumptions. Besides added security at airports and events (which I suspect most Americans would do away with tomorrow if given a choice) -- what other societal changes have taken place? Again -- I'm not condoning one behavior or the other. I'm just skeptical. Especially at a vacation destination like WDW.

 

[Disorbust]

Disney has always wanted to cut capacity at least at MK and creating a exclusive experience would be hell of a way to get there.Who will have discresionary income after this,the 10%. They have made it thru 9/11 with the locals but now with capacity being cut they will go more then ever after the 10% market share imho

 

[VaderTron]

Probably mostly back to normal. Based on the recent news about the possibility of millions already having covid and recovered I expect these restrictions will go away by then, with some moderate to minor changes like increased cleaning of high touch surfaces.



Depends on what develops over the next few weeks. Those "bans" can be lifted as quickly as they were put in place.

How many millions do you believe have already recovered from COVID-19, and why do you think that? Even if 10 million had it that would mean that only 3% of the US has had it. How does that help? The lowest possible percentage is around 40% to start to have an effect and many diseases need to have 80-95% immunity to have "herd immunity".