What's Still On and What's Now Off

[FigmentsFangirl]

So nothing new in terms of whats still on and whats on the chopping block for not gonna happen due to covid shut down ? I'd like to vcisit Spaceship Earth after the parks reopen, but if its shut down for overhaul then great the last time I rode it was day after new years

 

[EricsBiscuit]

I nominate this for the hall of fame

I’ve seen it done before. They put UV lighting in the air return vents.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ve seen it done before. They put UV lighting in the air return vents.

It’s great...

Let’s do it

 

[pdude81]

It’s great...

Let’s do it

Purple Box attraction confirmed

 

[MisterPenguin]

I’ve seen it done before. They put UV lighting in the air return vents.

Using UV Germicidal Irradiation is excellent for forced air systems to prevent build up of mold and mildew and bacteria on the surfaces of the HVAC system, especially in parts of the system that become damp, like condenser coils. The UVGI is constantly bombarding the coils keeping anything from growing on it.

However, UVGI effectiveness for the forced air passing by has little evidence of effectiveness because the air, with whatever germs are in it, pass by too quickly. Some testing in hospitals and other close quarters (like army barracks) have had mixed results -- and this is in small, contained spaces with the same people using the space. For a large space in which you have lots of new people coming in and out, you'd need *a lot* of UV units throughout almost the entirety of the ventilation system, which starts to become prohibitive in execution. One unit behind each intake vent ain't gonna cut it.

Ultraviolet germicidal irradiation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Using Ultraviolet Germicidal Lights for Air Cleaning | Indoor Air Quality (IAQ) Scientific Findings Resource Bank (IAQ-SFRB)

iaqscience.lbl.gov

 

[havoc315]

They had a little party called Mardis Gras, where they had massive crowds, massive person to person transmission.
As every expert has said, heat and humidity alone will not stop this virus.

Though Louisiana's relatively quick reduction in cases may be being helped by heat and humidity reducing the R0 effectively, with less surface to person transmission than in other environments.

 

[CastAStone]

They had a little party called Mardis Gras, where they had massive crowds

Sounds like Happily Ever After. Or even Disney Jr Dance Party.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Using UV Germicidal Irradiation is excellent for forced air systems to prevent build up of mold and mildew and bacteria on the surfaces of the HVAC system, especially in parts of the system that become damp, like condenser coils. The UVGI is constantly bombarding the coils keeping anything from growing on it.

However, UVGI effectiveness for the forced air passing by has little evidence of effectiveness because the air, with whatever germs are in it, pass by too quickly. Some testing in hospitals and other close quarters (like army barracks) have had mixed results -- and this is in small, contained spaces with the same people using the space. For a large space in which you have lots of new people coming in and out, you'd need *a lot* of UV units throughout almost the entirety of the ventilation system, which starts to become prohibitive in execution. One unit behind each intake vent ain't gonna cut it.

Ultraviolet germicidal irradiation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Using Ultraviolet Germicidal Lights for Air Cleaning | Indoor Air Quality (IAQ) Scientific Findings Resource Bank (IAQ-SFRB)

iaqscience.lbl.gov

makes sense

 

[havoc315]

Sounds like Happily Ever After. Or even Disney Jr Dance Party.

Well yes and no.
yes — which is why you can’t have those parades at Magic Kingdom. Can’t have anything where you can’t socially distance.

No — Mardis Gras isn’t just a 20 minute packed parade. It’s packed streets, restaurants, bars.

 

[zengoth]

Well yes and no.
yes — which is why you can’t have those parades at Magic Kingdom. Can’t have anything where you can’t socially distance.

No — Mardis Gras isn’t just a 20 minute packed parade. It’s packed streets, restaurants, bars.

Ugh - that just flashbacked me to trying to stuff myself into the Rose n’ Crown for a snakebite. Suddenly those long lines at festival booths are looking better and better. Disney doesnt have many “belly up to the bars” at least in the parks. Do you think to-go cups will become the norm?

 

[robhedin]

Well yes and no.
yes — which is why you can’t have those parades at Magic Kingdom. Can’t have anything where you can’t socially distance.

No — Mardis Gras isn’t just a 20 minute packed parade. It’s packed streets, restaurants, bars.

At the moment we don’t know that parades are out. I wont be surprised if they are, but if Shanghai is running tests to run their parades, I think it’s at least possible that WDW may as well... I don’t think it’s necessarily probable, mind you, but I think most things are up in the air right now. Honestly if they don’t run the parades/fireworks, I suspect it will be as much because of cost cutting/containment as any social distancing requirements.

 

[flynnibus]

actually using UV-C in a main duct is a very good application of this technology, provided the air is exposed long enough to destroy viruses and bacteria (the high speed of the air in the ducts would likely require a lengthy tunnel of UV light.

And that's the problem...

 

[CastAStone]

At the moment we don’t know that parades are out. I wont be surprised if they are, but if Shanghai is running tests to run their parades, I think it’s at least possible that WDW may as well... I don’t think it’s necessarily probable, mind you, but I think most things are up in the air right now. Honestly if they don’t run the parades/fireworks, I suspect it will be as much because of cost cutting/containment as any social distancing requirements.

The way guests in the Asian parks take in parades and the way ‘Muricans take in parades are night and day. The former may be able to be made to be conducive to social distancing. The latter is chaos.

 

[Magic Feather]

The way guests in the Asian parks take in parades and the way ‘Muricans take in parades are night and day. The former may be able to be made to be conducive to social distancing. The latter is chaos.

Plus, Shanghai’s Parade Route is absolutely massive, giving plenty of room to space people out without congesting sidewalks. During my one visit to SDL, it was a very busy day, and I managed to easily find a spot on the rope for to Parade as it was starting.

 

[Prince-1]

You’re confusing totally different arguments.

Heat and humidity will not stop the virus spread.
High heat and humidity will act as a natural disinfectant. (Which can be 1 factor in SLOWING viral spread).

Even in a hot and humid environment, the virus can thrive in a human host. It can stick to surfaces in air conditioned locations for days. It can be transmitted airborne person to person.

The point was solely:
If you have the ride vehicles of Big Thunder mountain sitting out in the hot sun, baking in the sunlight, heat and humidity — the viral cells that might be on the vehicle, will get killed pretty quickly.
As opposed to..if someone coughs on Toy Story Mania, the viral cells may stick to the seat for 3 days.

Most of the scientific studies and evidence suggests (none definitively) that:
1– summer heat and humidity will NOT wipe away the virus
2– summer heat and humidity can have some effect on the half life of the virus, and may reduce the speed of transmission.

Too many people are looking for absolutes...
you have the virus-deniers who claim it’s no worse than the flu, or that HCQ or summer weather will miraculously cure all.
but then you have the doomsayers — who think there is no alternative to locking ourselves in our homes with masks for 18 months, that don’t believe there is any other possible mitigation.

How about accept that what you’re saying isn’t 100% fact and the actual experts don’t have a true consensus on many facets of the virus including if heat does in fact kill or retards the virus. Repeating talking points said on tv does not mean you actually are correct.

 

[Prince-1]

No, warm weather will not kill the coronavirus - The Boston Globe

Experts and studies suggest no one should get their hopes up as temperatures rise and spring turns into summer.

www.bostonglobe.com

Seems pretty logical that nothing has been 100% proven about what does and doesn’t stop or slow down the transmission or the virus. Most things are being tested as we speak and a lot we here or read is conjecture from the talking heads on tv.

 

[robhedin]

The way guests in the Asian parks take in parades and the way ‘Muricans take in parades are night and day. The former may be able to be made to be conducive to social distancing. The latter is chaos.

I haven't been to see it, so don't know. That said, I don't see much difference in crowd proximity based on various YouTube videos (i.e.: ). But I wasn't saying that parades were likely here -- only that I don't think plans are fully solidified yet. I'm expecting them to not run them, but I think a lot of it depends on money and what park attendance is. I expect they'll reduce park capacity anyway, so it may be less of an issue.

 

[havoc315]

How about accept that what you’re saying isn’t 100% fact and the actual experts don’t have a true consensus on many facets of the virus including if heat does in fact kill or retards the virus. Repeating talking points said on tv does not mean you actually are correct.

Politicians have many talking points, often distorting the science.

But we also have scientific facts. Scientists have measured the half life of the virus on different surfaces.It’s known scientific fact that heat and light break down the lipid layer of viruses. And it’s scientific fact that the Coronavirus survives different lengths of time on different surfaces and different conditions. For example, it lives an average of 5 days on glass and an average of 1 day on cardboard.
And yes, it’s a scientific fact that the virus dies faster in heat and light.

These are indeed the facts. The consequences are still largely unknown. The degree it will reduce R0 is unknown. The degree it might make the disease recede in summer is unknown (there are so many other factors at play, so many ways to transmit the disease)..

There are lots of unknowns. But there are also indeed lots of known facts. We know it’s a novel coronavirus. We know how it spreads. We know it affects the respiratory system, as well as possibly other effects. We know it lives on surfaces. We know it lives longer on glass than cardboard, we know it lives longer in the dark and cool than hot and light.

we definitely don’t know everything. But it’s just as false to claim we know nothing. There is lots we don’t know, and lots we do know.

a good summary:
“The report found that in laboratory settings, higher temperatures and higher levels of humidity decreased survival of the COVID-19 coronavirus. However, studies looking at viral spread in varying climate conditions in the natural environment had inconsistent results.

The researchers concluded that conditions of increased heat and humidity alone may not significantly slow the spread of the COVID-19 virus”

Coronavirus Resource Center - Harvard Health

COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019) is a respiratory illness caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus. It is very contagious, and spreads quickly. Most people with COVID-19 have mild respiratory symptoms that feel much like a cold or flu. But it can be much more serious for older adults, people with...

www.health.harvard.edu

 

[havoc315]

At the moment we don’t know that parades are out. I wont be surprised if they are, but if Shanghai is running tests to run their parades, I think it’s at least possible that WDW may as well... I don’t think it’s necessarily probable, mind you, but I think most things are up in the air right now. Honestly if they don’t run the parades/fireworks, I suspect it will be as much because of cost cutting/containment as any social distancing requirements.

All true. But I suspect if there are parades and fireworks, it will be with crowds spread out. That’s what they are testing in Shanghai.

So I guess I should have said we won’t have a return of the parades in their traditional format.

 

[havoc315]

Ugh - that just flashbacked me to trying to stuff myself into the Rose n’ Crown for a snakebite. Suddenly those long lines at festival booths are looking better and better. Disney doesnt have many “belly up to the bars” at least in the parks. Do you think to-go cups will become the norm?

Seems very likely we will see more “to go,” disposable menus, etc.
I would suspect QS to go to mobile ordering only.
for TS... if I was running Disney, I’d institute on-site grub hub type service. Cut in-restaurant capacity by 50%, but also deliver from on-site restaurants to your hotel room. (Also maybe to on-site picnic tables spread among the resorts).