BriEcho3194
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:ROFLOL: Thats true! I cannot wait! I hope it's open by the next time I go! Which will be when i graduate! In 2012! I just want those two areas open and Dumbo! YAY!
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:ROFLOL: Thats true! I cannot wait! I hope it's open by the next time I go! Which will be when i graduate! In 2012! I just want those two areas open and Dumbo! YAY!
Vernonpush
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For size comparison:
Blue is LM ride
Orange was Cindy/Araura M&G
Green was Pooh M&G
Yellow is for SW mine coaster (1/3 indoors & 2/3 outdoors)
Seems like it would be a large enough area.:shrug:
Blue is LM ride
Orange was Cindy/Araura M&G
Green was Pooh M&G
Yellow is for SW mine coaster (1/3 indoors & 2/3 outdoors)
Seems like it would be a large enough area.:shrug:
DarkImage4
Member
OK...I know I must way out of the loop, but what happened to the Aurora and Cinderella areas?
Atomicmickey
Well-Known Member
lol, just a little out of the loop. The word 'round these parts is that they've been cancelled, to be replaced by a "Snow White Mine Car Ride" junior roller coaster.
Just spend a couple minutes with search--or even look at the Snow White thread in this part of the forum.
All rumor at this point--not announced yet--but insiders have seen plans, so assume it's a "lock". We'll find out soon enough.
muteki
Well-Known Member
Unfortunately at this point I would take everything in the concept art with a grain of salt.
Pretty cool how everything is lining up exactly how it was on the original blue prints. It's cool to see how even the temporary wall follows the Castle Wall exactly.
Okay, I'm calling no way on the "Snow White Mine Train" thing once and for all (not that I don't think it will happen, but it would make more sense that it would go in the back corner where Pixie hollow originally was).
If you look at the blueprint overlay, you'll see they're sticking to the Phase One plans exactly. I've drawn two circles in areas on either side of the chateau where retention ponds are and you'll see they are currently digging them EXACTLY where they were on the original blueprints (there may be a slight movement due to the distortion of the blueprints while scaling them in Photoshop – the left pond is just slightly higher on the blueprint layer than the hole being dug). You'll also see there's a "box" right where Cinderella's Chateau is on the blueprint. This may just be construction equipment, but it seems an odd coincidence.
Now it's very possible the show building is now going to be the Mine Train building instead of the planned meet and great (they could very easily make alterations to what's inside of the building without necessarily having to change the footprint of the building itself), but so far evidence would point to everything proceeding in Phase One as was originally drawn on the blueprint. If we do get the Mine Train in this location, I'm betting most of the building itself (chateau, cottage, show building) will remain as they are.
Perhaps the meet and great is gone out of the large show building and the Aurora's cottage will now be the dwarve's cottage and the entrance to the Mine Coaster through the back of the building? I would think the chateau could stay and become a much smaller meet and great for Cindy (after all, the chateau was really just the entrance to the larger show building in the original plans).
jt04
Well-Known Member
Pretty cool how everything is lining up exactly how it was on the original blue prints. It's cool to see how even the temporary wall follows the Castle Wall exactly.
Okay, I'm calling no way on the "Snow White Mine Train" thing once and for all (not that I don't think it will happen, but it would make more sense that it would go in the back corner where Pixie hollow originally was).
If you look at the blueprint overlay, you'll see they're sticking to the Phase One plans exactly. I've drawn two circles in areas on either side of the chateau where retention ponds are and you'll see they are currently digging them EXACTLY where they were on the original blueprints (there may be a slight movement due to the distortion of the blueprints while scaling them in Photoshop – the left pond is just slightly higher on the blueprint layer than the hole being dug). You'll also see there's a "box" right where Cinderella's Chateau is on the blueprint. This may just be construction equipment, but it seems an odd coincidence.
Now it's very possible the show building is now going to be the Mine Train building instead of the planned meet and great (they could very easily make alterations to what's inside of the building without necessarily having to change the footprint of the building itself), but so far evidence would point to everything proceeding in Phase One as was originally drawn on the blueprint. If we do get the Mine Train in this location, I'm betting most of the building itself (chateau, cottage, show building) will remain as they are.
Perhaps the meet and great is gone out of the large show building and the Aurora's cottage will now be the dwarve's cottage and the entrance to the Mine Coaster through the back of the building? I would think the chateau could stay and become a much smaller meet and great for Cindy (after all, the chateau was really just the entrance to the larger show building in the original plans).
Exactly and well said. :sohappy:
I'd just add the following thoughts which are not directed at Ignohippo....
Nobody is claiming the area is too small. I'm not sure how so many posters are making that assumption. :brick:
I'm saying there is too much space to fill up with a miniature version of BTMRR. It is mind boggling that people think that is what they will do. It will have to be much more than that and I agree with Ignohippo's conclusions. The changes will be at the margins. And besides, I have figured out why the m&g's were relocated and it is not for the reason we have heard here. Enough said. :zipit:
SeaCastle
Well-Known Member
If they are indeed keeping the tents, then they wouldn't be able to build anything in that back corner.
The only parts they are sticking to "exactly" are the only parts confirmed to stay...The Little Mermaid attraction and the Beauty and the Beast area. The Cinderella and Aurora meet and greets are in no way indicated to be going forth as planned. Disney doesn't mention them (concept art, NASA summit, etc.)
A rollercoaster mountain showbuilding and a meet and greet show building are two completely different things. You have load platforms, ride systems, scenery, and the works that simply can't fit inside a retrofitted meet and greet building. Plus, if the rollercoaster is partly outdoors like rumored, you would be looking at a very different show building.
Compare the size of Barnstormer to the size of the chateau. Assuming the new ride is slightly longer and more elaborate than the Barnstormer, you can see it's extremely difficult to fit inside the meet and greet complex. The building indicated in the blueprints is long and thin. Personally I can't see anything but a meet and greet complex fitting inside there, which doesn't appear to be happening anyway.
Care to explain? Got a source? Obviously this isn't "Enough said". I'm still not aware they've made a Downtown Disney announcement.
Did you actually read my post? The entire point is that the holes for the ponds are being dug in exactly the points that they are located on the blueprint.
As for the show buildings, I think people are way too hung up on Barnstormer and BTMRR. From the little bits we've heard, I'd imagine it to be much more like the existing dark rides - only with modest hills here and there. If 2/3 truly are outdoors (which would be odd considering the wet Florida weather during the summer. IASW is the only one in all of the parks built completely indoors for that very reason), then the lift, etc could be outdoors. The show building could just be for the themed areas of the ride and would be consistent with the rumors that only 1/3 would be indoors. If you look at the size of the Pooh queue, you'll see there's plenty of room for the queue in the Aurora area.
As for the tents, the rumors don't necessarily mean they're staying in the exact location they're in now. I imagine the circus will be in the area where the play area was (directly across from the new Dumbos) and the Mine Train may go where the fairy meet and great was going.
As for them not mentioning the chateau and Aurora areas, it could simply be that they're downplaying them because they now realize they're minor components of the expansion and don't want to take publicity away from the things they know will be bigger draws. I think people on these boards have been making too big of a deal of the chateau area - it was never meant to be a major attraction. It's only one component of the bigger picture.
As for the show buildings, I think people are way too hung up on Barnstormer and BTMRR. From the little bits we've heard, I'd imagine it to be much more like the existing dark rides - only with modest hills here and there. If 2/3 truly are outdoors (which would be odd considering the wet Florida weather during the summer. IASW is the only one in all of the parks built completely indoors for that very reason), then the lift, etc could be outdoors. The show building could just be for the themed areas of the ride and would be consistent with the rumors that only 1/3 would be indoors. If you look at the size of the Pooh queue, you'll see there's plenty of room for the queue in the Aurora area.
As for the tents, the rumors don't necessarily mean they're staying in the exact location they're in now. I imagine the circus will be in the area where the play area was (directly across from the new Dumbos) and the Mine Train may go where the fairy meet and great was going.
As for them not mentioning the chateau and Aurora areas, it could simply be that they're downplaying them because they now realize they're minor components of the expansion and don't want to take publicity away from the things they know will be bigger draws. I think people on these boards have been making too big of a deal of the chateau area - it was never meant to be a major attraction. It's only one component of the bigger picture.
I was there this past week! On the train from frontierland to MTTF you could totally makeout the whole steel structure for BatB. It was really exciting. I even had a camera.
Only problem: There were lots of trees, so if you were there in motion the moving gaps in the trees allowed your brain to sort of piece together what lay on the other side. But a camera freezes the moment, and the leaves block the view - if you know what I'm saying.
Well, at least for those who end up down there, ride the train for an exciting upclose view.
Only problem: There were lots of trees, so if you were there in motion the moving gaps in the trees allowed your brain to sort of piece together what lay on the other side. But a camera freezes the moment, and the leaves block the view - if you know what I'm saying.
Well, at least for those who end up down there, ride the train for an exciting upclose view.
Glasgow
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the "Ariel" (sic) pics .. lol.
On the matter of the ponds, the left hand retention pond from the Cinderella area looks like it's being started. But more interestingly, if you look up and to the left of that pond, you will see what looks like two beams that are laying in the exact direction and angle as the left hand bridge heading towards Gastons - could be the support beams for the bridge there.
On the matter of the ponds, the left hand retention pond from the Cinderella area looks like it's being started. But more interestingly, if you look up and to the left of that pond, you will see what looks like two beams that are laying in the exact direction and angle as the left hand bridge heading towards Gastons - could be the support beams for the bridge there.
trr1
Well-Known Member
all I see is a white box with a red x in it right nowFor size comparison:
Blue is LM ride
Orange was Cindy/Araura M&G
Green was Pooh M&G
Yellow is for SW mine coaster (1/3 indoors & 2/3 outdoors)
Seems like it would be a large enough area.:shrug:
Lee
Adventurer
Nice try...but no.
The chateau and mill house from the original plans are not being built at all. The mine ride is going to occupy the entire area out there in the center of the expansion.
There will still be water features in the central part of the expansion, but not in any way related to the original concepts.
Oh, good grief.
You really think you have stumbled on some top secret information about the M&Gs? You haven't. Post what you think you have figured out and dare to be wrong.
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
:lol: It's just like he had figured out that Disney had "outlawed" ALL aerial photography of the FLE.jto4 said:
Oh, good grief.
You really think you have stumbled on some top secret information about the M&Gs? You haven't. Post what you think you have figured out and dare to be wrong.
Anticitizen One
New Member
Looks like its coming along nicely. Any word on when we will get more up to date concept art and information on the revisions?
Oh and im amazed Jt04 is still here.
Oh and im amazed Jt04 is still here.
Captain Neo
Well-Known Member
Looks like its coming along nicely. Any word on when we will get concept art and information on the revisions?
and im amazed jt04 is still around
and im amazed jt04 is still around
Captain Chaos
Well-Known Member
Nice try...but no.
The chateau and mill house from the original plans are not being built at all. The mine ride is going to occupy the entire area out there in the center of the expansion.
There will still be water features in the central part of the expansion, but not in any way related to the original concepts.
Oh, good grief.
You really think you have stumbled on some top secret information about the M&Gs? You haven't. Post what you think you have figured out and dare to be wrong.
Lee, you know he won't post what he "discovered." Why? At the expense of looking foolish (which he constantly does anyway, so what's the difference????).....
JT needs to give it up.. he is 100% wrong and he can't deal... Is school out for the holidays already???
