What will Disney announce for Disney World at the 2022 D23 expo?

[lazyboy97o]

On the street…it’s just lore. There is no Tangible baseline metic for “E” outside of Burbank…

There really isn’t. They frankly don’t build enough to distinguish them to the common Joe anymore. That’s a problem too. Too much money and inefficiency. They’re currently slow rolling a tron clone. “Don’t rush, boys”.

Only Tokyo and emergency bailouts get classic “Disney” construction anymore.

That does matter.

You are just wrong. The terminology is not limited to Disney.

 

[UNCgolf]

No…WDI gets unlimited time, funding and the results don’t matter…
You are NOT to question them.

I’ll admit my mistake in that I thought it was Rohde…boy was I wrong. It’s gotten worse since he completed his last big projects.

If it was Rohde, it would likely be much better. Basically everything he touched is either great or better than it had any right to be (Mission: Breakout).

EDIT: Except maybe Chester and Hester's, but even it is surprisingly well themed for something that was done quickly and cheaply.

 

[lazyboy97o]

IMO the biggest reason why things go over budgets is Disney announces new things before they get to the final planning stages.

That’s not how things work anywhere, not just for attractions but all building. Waiting until you are in Design Development or later to determine a budget and feasibility is a huge waste of money and resources.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

IMO the biggest reason why things go over budgets is Disney announces new things before they get to the final planning stages.

I still maintain nothing should get announced til shovels are in the ground. I think seeing construction going on before announcements helps build excitement

They’re using US ALL for free pub and marketing by doing the conventions and the pre-emptive announcements.

Look at how they cheaped on the avengers in Anaheim? The domestic place to use it and they said “nah…don’t have the money “ for the better ride out of 2. Ridiculous

28 movies and bout $25,000,000,000 box office…and they couldn’t do something fitting. That’s all y’all’s needs to know.

A lot of the announcements fuel DVC sales too…which is always about “future” and not really about value now.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If it was Rohde, it would likely be much better. Basically everything he touched is either great or better than it had any right to be (Mission: Breakout).

Except this guy

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That’s not how things work anywhere, not just for attractions but all building. Waiting until you are in Design Development or later to determine a budget and feasibility is a huge waste of money and resources.

What if you’re in engineering meant for a profit center at a $500,000,000,000 company…
And not an art house experimental studio?

 

[Jrb1979]

That’s not how things work anywhere, not just for attractions but all building. Waiting until you are in Design Development or later to determine a budget and feasibility is a huge waste of money and resources.

They why do they go over budget so much?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They why do they go over budget so much?

…queue a line of excuses fit for mine train…

But we can just blame chapek…or lasseter…or Eisner…if it’s easier?

How about all 3 for convenience?

 

[UNCgolf]

Except this guy

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Yeah, but that's the thing -- even with the Yeti broken, Everest is still an excellent attraction, and it cost roughly $100m, right?

Less then a decade later it cost Disney more than $100m to build the Little Mermaid ride. Opinions vary on that, but it's certainly nowhere near as impressive in overall scope as Everest.

I know Rohde used to get flack for spending a ton of money, but I think the past decade or so has shown that it was never really his problem -- it was a Disney problem. Basically every other non-Rohde project has cost even more money than he spent with worse results.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yeah, but that's the thing -- even with the Yeti broken, Everest is still an excellent attraction, and it cost roughly $100m, right?

Less then a decade later it cost Disney more than $100m to build the Little Mermaid ride. Opinions vary on that, but it's certainly nowhere near as impressive in overall scope as Everest.

I know Rohde used to get flack for spending a ton of money, but I think the past decade or so has shown that it was never really his problem -- it was a Disney problem. Basically every other non-Rohde project has cost even more money than he spent with worse results.

I bet Everest - like the rest of dak - is over the “reported”

But your point is valid/taken

 

[lazyboy97o]

They why do they go over budget so much?

Historically, doing unique things are hard to price. Construction cost estimating is done by aggregating and analyzing costs from past projects. If no one has ever built it before then you don’t really know what it will cost. Even if it has been done, costs vary based on a variety of factors such as time, place, labor availability, etc.

Bureaucracy is also a huge burden in large organizations. Too many stakeholders, decision making spread across too many but also overly concentrated in too few who are less involved. The general trend of including more and more information in design documents is compounded by large organizational requirements and risk aversion. There all sorts of things that lead to inefficiency and part of what makes getting rid of them so difficult is they often started for a reason.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

@Jrb1979

…told you

 

[UNCgolf]

I bet Everest - like the rest of dak - is over the “reported”

But your point is valid/taken

It definitely could be.

Cosmic Rewind is Exhibit A for this, though, at least IMO. Even for people that love it, there's nothing about that ride that should come even close to half a billion dollars. That's an insane price for a roller coaster with projections, even considering the preshow and "galaxarium" in the queue.

 

[Jrb1979]

@Jrb1979

…told you

I thought having Reedy Creek was supposed to help with that.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It definitely could be.

Cosmic Rewind is Exhibit A for this, though, at least IMO. Even for people that love it, there's nothing about that ride that should come even close to half a billion dollars. That's an insane price for a roller coaster with projections, even considering the preshow and "galaxarium" in the queue.

I think the reason is 50/50 on that…but it’s just an opinion

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You are just wrong. The terminology is not limited to Disney.

I’m not saying it isn’t used…I’m saying it matters less and less…a few factors there

 

[Dan Deesnee]

I thought this would be fun. Reply with your announcement predictions, one for each category:

Realistic announcement:

Would Be Great announcement:

DREAM announcement:

Here's mine -

Realistic announcement: Something announced in Dead-Dinoland area. Probably just a tease.

Would Be Great announcement: The Main Street Theater is re-announced.

DREAM announcement: Mr Toads Wild Ride reimagined is announced as the headliner attraction in a new Frontierland expansion.

 

[Brer Panther]

Realistic announcement: More information about the Splash Mountain retheme.

Would Be Great announcement: A Muppets dark ride for Hollywood Studios.

DREAM announcement: That Splash Mountain will remain as is and they'll be building a Princess and the Frog ride elsewhere in the Magic Kingdom.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Realistic announcement: More information about the Splash Mountain retheme.

Would Be Great announcement: A Muppets dark ride for Hollywood Studios.

DREAM announcement: That Splash Mountain will remain as is and they'll be building a Princess and the Frog ride elsewhere in the Magic Kingdom.

I’ll expand on #2…and it’s really a 3…

Muppet or similar ride in the animation courtyard area…then they make That a “new land” that maybe connects backside over to sunset.

Would accomplish a few things

 

[RSoxNo1]

I like the ripsaw better

But I hear ya…when you’re wet…you’re wet

Ripsaw is a bad ride. Popeye is a good ride.