What if Disney went dry......

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
Premium Member
the idea that alcohol is such a key element to the experience definitely raises an eyebrow.

For me - not a "key element". Rather, more a complementary piece. And I love complements.

Edited to say:

I love single malt, and partake regularly.

I remember your tastes from a previous post. I'm a Speyside guy myself. I think we'd hit it off. Specifically on a distillery tour.
 
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Disstevefan1

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Walt had good intentions keeping the magic kingdom dry for as long as it was.

WDW will never go dry, the profit margins on selling alcohol are too high. What they could do a better job at is policing the folks who over do it. That said, it’s not an easy thing to do.

Where there is alcohol, there will be folks who over do it. Just like any other place in the world
 

JIMINYCR

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Wouldnt bother me personally but it would bother me that it would take away pleasure from adults who enjoy a drink and dont abuse it. Id much rather see Disney step up and limit the number of drinks sold to individuals and if guests find a way to get around that, enforce a strict penalty if and when someone abuses alcohol. Enforce a ban of alcohol in the parking lots and restrict entry to the parks if a guest shows up inebriated. Guests who drink responsibly shouldnt be penalized because of the poor behavior of others.
 

Po'Rich

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In the 1980s, the St. Louis Cardinals football team made a series of demands. One demand was that they had their own stadium. At the time, the football and baseball team both played out of old Busch Stadium. Even though the football Cardinals were typically an underwhelming team, community leaders worked up a plan and funding for a new stadium. Then the owner of the football Cardinals declared that he wanted the stadium to be "family friendly" as in no alcohol. . . the Cardinals ended up in Arizona, where the owner reversed his no-alcohol demand.
 

the.dreamfinder

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In addition to Disneyland being the furthest thing from an amusement park, the reason Walt Disney forbade drinking at Disneyland had to do with the one place where Alcohol was sold/permitted, Holidayland. A large party got so faced that Walt and Co. believed it would be better to not serve alcohol to the general public than have another incident like that.
The Red Wagon Inn catered the meals out at Holiday- land, though you were always welcome to bring your own picnic baskets. And, most surprisingly, those Red Wagon meals included all the beer you could drink "Walt thought beer was a basic part of a picnic," recalled
Jack Taylor, the first operations supervisor at Holidayland. "It was there if you wanted it."
"The beer at Holidayland didn't bother Walt," Milt agreed, "even though you didn't dare mention alcohol in connection with Disneyland. "
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So admission to the Park was quickly added as a picnic option when organizations contracted for their picnic. they could purchase Disneyland admissions as well, a special entrance was created that spanned between the picnic arounds and Frontierland, and crossed right over the railroad tracks (an unthinkable thought today!).
Including admission to the Park was a solution to their biggest problem-or was it? Holidayland picnics were already getting more and more difficult to sell, and now with the added cost of Park admission, group picnics were getting too expensive for all but the biggest organizations. And even though the kids were usually out of school during the summer, Mom or Dad still had to work, and that meant picnics could only be held on weekends. Worse still, there were no lights for nighttime events, so evenings were out. That meant Holidayland sat unused five days a week.
One picnic that did sell, and sell real well, was set up for a major labor union, who purchased more than 10,000 tickets for the picnic. As soon as the picnic began, the beer was already flowing in an endless stream. By the time they headed into the Park, Milt recalls. "they were drunker than hoot owls.·· Disneyland survived the day, but it was the last time beer was allowed at a picnic if the guests were going to enter Disneyland.
(Disneyland: The Nickel Tour, Pages 180-181)
 
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NickMaio

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We very rarely, if ever drink at the parks.
I wish they would stop serving drunk people though. What a nuisance.
 

Tanna Eros

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This is sad and TMI, but my best times with my dad were in dry areas. I existed, then.
I drink rarely, and especially not in theme parks, but to flip a switch and turn WDW dry? No, thank you.
I'm imagining a lot of adults, after a day of riding and walking through crowds, would need a numbing agent for backs and feet.
There's always going to be that one guy so plastered he falls into the Christmas tree at the family party. He's going to go the theme parks, too. I can't imagine ruining a park experience for so many others because of That One Guy.
 

Tom P.

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Cutting alcohol in the parks would also cut a major revenue stream. Since many will argue that parks are already under-funded, imaging what would happen to them if they lost that revenue.
The parks are not under-funded because they are lacking in sufficient revenue. The parks are under-funded because Disney is trying to squeeze even more profit out of that revenue. That being said, I agree with you that Disney is not going to cut that revenue stream.
 

correcaminos

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it wouldn't affect me much at all. We tend to rarely bike drinks when in the parks anyway because of the cost. If we have alcohol, it is in the room. So it wouldn't bother me at all. I do know that I would probably negatively affect many people though and even though it wouldn't affect us, I could see why many people would be upset at losing their ability to drink with a meal.
 

thomas998

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Wouldn’t bother me at all, it doesn’t belong in the parks at all really, nothing says ‘Disney Magic’ like seeing a group of aggressive drunks stumbling around yelling obscenities and puking on the pavement. The one time I have been tempted, I looked at the prices and immediately turned the other way.
The real problem is the management has cowed down the cast members to the point that they seem to be afraid to enforce any rules in the park. See someone jump a line they ignore it, why? Because they risk upsetting a visitor that will cost them their job. Well when it comes to serving drinks you are even more likely to have cast members afraid to say no to someone they believe is already over the limit because it could cost them their job. So in the end you end up with too many people over drinking which is what you see at night during food and wine at EPCOT. That's only going to become the norm in all the parks where alcohol is being served.
 

DreamalittleDisney

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I enjoy a margarita or a glass of wine at Epcot, specifically at World Showcase, that side of the park feels more "adult" to me. I'm not looking to get drunk. Unfortunately, some seem unable to drink in moderation, and that's a problem, imo.

I personally wouldn't mind much if Disney parks went dry, as long as Disney resorts and Disney Springs continued to offer bars/lounges for those who choose to enjoy adult beverages responsibly.
Agree with the exception of world showcase
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
Premium Member
I wish they would stop serving drunk people though. What a nuisance.

Not that I disagree with your statement. But what's the metric? Is it eyes? Slurring? Stumbling up to the kiosk? Breathalyzers?

In many cases you're asking a college student or a CM making $12 an hour at a kiosk to make that decision.
 

NickMaio

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Not that I disagree with your statement. But what's the metric? Is it eyes? Slurring? Stumbling up to the kiosk? Breathalyzers?

In many cases you're asking a college student or a CM making $12 an hour at a kiosk to make that decision.
All of the above. I think in most cases that I am talking about, it is quite apparent that someone is inebriated.

I Ontario all individuals who serve or sell liquor are required to take a safe serve course. This goes through the signs of intoxicated people.
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
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All of the above. I think in most cases that I am talking about, it is quite apparent that someone is inebriated.

I Ontario all individuals who serve or sell liquor are required to take a safe serve course. This goes through the signs of intoxicated people.

In Ontario they measure drinks. DUI carries a heavy penalty. Heck, a DUI can keep an American out of Canada. If we're going to put that kind of standard on it - everyone would be limited to 1 drink at Disney.

Again, I don't disagree with your premise. If somebody stumbles up to a kiosk/bar at Disney - with bloodshot eyes, and murmurs "Letme haaave anoder bbbeer" and has to position themselves against the counter while ordering - Got it. They shouldn't be served. But those types are in the minority, although they are the ones who are talked about the most. There are a lot who could be classified as "tipsy" or "buzzed". Do you cut them off?
 

mergatroid

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I am a believer that some are on a mission to drink to excess. That line " what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" just substitute the Vegas wording.. I've seen in the past 10 years, 2 cars on 2 different occasions late night leave the main road at the park and resting in the trees rounding a sharp curve. Ambulance vehicles already at the scene.

Whilst I have no idea what caused these accidents, without knowing it's a bit harsh to blame too much alcohol as being the cause. For instance around 3 or 4 years ago (?) whilst heading to the MK we saw on the other side leaving MK a crashed vehicle that had veered off the road, hit the base of one posts that supported the overhead road signs which had fallen down on top of the car. There was a big tarp over the vehicle blocking the view inside (not a good sign) and the road had been shut with diversions in place.

I doubt that they'd just got plastered on wine at Tony's and then driven drunkenly into the post, so accidents can happen without alcohol on relatively 'safe' looking roads too. Just a thought.
 

Janir

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I have nothing against drinking but i dont feel the need to in a theme park, except possibly a drink with a nice sit down meal and certainly not wandering around with a drink like I was on the Vegas strip

Maybe disney should take some of the booze away from the parks and bring back an adult area like the old pleasure island

I think a pleasure island type of setup would help attract some of the booze hounds that can't hold their drink out of the parks. Disney Springs already has some bar nightlife but more would be helpful. Keep the drink prices cheaper than in the parks and attract those looking to get sloshed to Springs area where the sheriff's branch office exists and have some regular patrols. I like a drink of two in the parks with meals or just to enjoy on it's own but the outright drunks are not any fun for anyone.
 

Janir

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In Ontario they measure drinks. DUI carries a heavy penalty. Heck, a DUI can keep an American out of Canada. If we're going to put that kind of standard on it - everyone would be limited to 1 drink at Disney.

Again, I don't disagree with your premise. If somebody stumbles up to a kiosk/bar at Disney - with bloodshot eyes, and murmurs "Letme haaave anoder bbbeer" and has to position themselves against the counter while ordering - Got it. They shouldn't be served. But those types are in the minority, although they are the ones who are talked about the most. There are a lot who could be classified as "tipsy" or "buzzed". Do you cut them off?

They are in the minority but talked about the most as they cause the majority of the problems. Tipsy or buzzed? Probably not cut them off unless they are crossing the line. In a park its harder to remove them from the premises as its a big park, just removing them form the BaseLine Tap House or similar doesn't really solve the problem, they need to be ejected from the park.
Disney and alcohol in the parks needs to be treated more like alcohol at a sporting event park. With just plain more security to escort troublemakers out , knowing that increased alcohol sales means more drunks to deal with period. They will go hand in hand.
 

Heppenheimer

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I'm not the most frequent of visitors, but is the drinking really causing severe problems? The worst I've seen is one person puking once. Some people at Epcot were maybe a little rowdier and louder than your average guest, but they were far less disruptive than those infamous Brazilian tour groups.

I'm not a drinker, but I can't say that drinkers at Disney World have ever particularly annoyed me. But I'm just one person...
 

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