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What If… Season 2 [HYPE THREAD]
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MickeyMouse10
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I didn't know you were rich. I should have known, afterall you are a Lord.
Lord Fozzinator
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So if anyone is interested in writing their own dialogue, doesn’t wish to be mentioned, or would like me to write their dialogue then either say it in this thread or start a conversation.
(There is also a deadline for this being December 15th since it will take some time writing this.)
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TheOriginalTiki
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Join @PerGron and I tonight at 10PM Eastern as we face off in a loosely Thanksgiving themed Disney Debate. Questions include...
1. Which Disney Legend should have a documentary made about their life in Lego form?
2. Which Disney bird would make the best Thanksgiving "Turkey"?
3. Besides Malificent, which character should headline the Villains Land E Ticket?
1. Which Disney Legend should have a documentary made about their life in Lego form?
2. Which Disney bird would make the best Thanksgiving "Turkey"?
3. Besides Malificent, which character should headline the Villains Land E Ticket?
Lord Fozzinator
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Ok Disney, at first I was angry but now I’m kinda excited. Now everyone listen, in exchange for a muppet show we get a muppet ride. Now it would be great if the lighting McQueen racing academy was turned into a new version of muppetvision but that isn’t happening due to villains.
Lord Fozzinator
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Think about it, a new muppets courtyard that would consist of a Muppet ride and a possible moved Muppetvision in the sunset showcase theater, it could even expand into backstage areas.
What we know will happen
What we know will happen
- Muppets retheme of Rockin Roller Coaster
- A relocated Muppetvision in Sunset Showcase where Lighting McQueen Racing Academy is now
- A walkway to Animation Courtyard
- Added gift shops
- Expanding into backstage areas that could add a flat ride or a restaurant
- A walkthrough that shows the life of Jim Henson
TheOriginalTiki
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Honestly beyond just losing MuppetVision, the thing I'm absolutely most annoyed about with this move is that Disney time and time again throughout the past decade or so REFUSES to actually develop the dead spaces in their parks and instead just swaps out already existing stuff. This has a neutral effect on capacity at best, but in the case of losing MuppetVision for a version of Rock N' that's going to be even more popular it's going to have a really BAD effect on a park that's already very notorious for not having any "Downtime" stuff to do when the crowds are bad. MuppetVision was a pretty vital part of the park's DNA just for that alone. It legitimately baffles me why they couldn't just put Monsters Inc. into Animation Courtyard, a land that nobody would actually miss while the lengthy construction process takes place.
Closing basically a fourth of DAK for years instead of using an expansion plot, the sheer number of expansion plots at World Showcase that just continue to sit empty, this kind of stuff is really adding up. I get that for the all so important quarterly earnings it's less of a financial investment to replace something than it is to build from the ground up, but MAN WDW is going to be a total mess of construction for the better part of the next decade and we'll have virtually the same amount of actual attractions when all is said and done to show for it. It just feels really, REALLY counter-intuitive and short sighted on Disney's part and the latest in a long line of "We've got to have MONEY!" moves.
Closing basically a fourth of DAK for years instead of using an expansion plot, the sheer number of expansion plots at World Showcase that just continue to sit empty, this kind of stuff is really adding up. I get that for the all so important quarterly earnings it's less of a financial investment to replace something than it is to build from the ground up, but MAN WDW is going to be a total mess of construction for the better part of the next decade and we'll have virtually the same amount of actual attractions when all is said and done to show for it. It just feels really, REALLY counter-intuitive and short sighted on Disney's part and the latest in a long line of "We've got to have MONEY!" moves.
AceAstro
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Reminder this is becoming a villains show so this is unlikely (at least for a few years)
AceAstro
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While WDW is “blessed” with space, they also have to do a lot more in that area for seemingly basic things that they don’t have to worry about in places like Disneyland. The entire resort basically being swamp land hurts it a TON for projects, which is why TRON took so long and why WDW is losing the whole river, not only part of it. Cars land, Villains, and Encanto will all be net new attractions for the parks adding 5-6 new attractions to just those three lands. For other expansions, it’s very tough in DHS especially, as the park was built extremely land-locked (super short sighted) with backstages, the main road, and then staff/ guest parking. A majority of the expansion space was taken with Galaxy’s Edge/ Toy Story Land, with only smaller pockets of space left.
Of course, the main talking point is why not Animation Courtyard but there isn’t the space there to that level of scale. This coaster show building is going to be quite large, and you’d have to take out a majority of the backstage buildings still there. With a new Little Mermaid show opening next year, you don’t even get a complete overhaul of Animation Courtyard, but instead weird bits and pieces transformed to fit the theme. And potentially another aspect would be by building the coaster in animation courtyard, then you have both coasters in the park beside each other instead of spaced out. Instead now, they get a complete overhaul of a land to however they see fit, a new show (that’ll have a line and full theatre shows unlike Muppets so eat crowd), a net new door coaster, and a retheme to RNRC.
Realistically, MuppetVision was never going to last forever and this closure was inevitable. I’m just glad they’re ripping off the bandaid and doing proper, full changes, as well as working on ways to preserve MuppetVision well beyond it’s closure date.
TheOriginalTiki
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Lightning McQueen in a Box would honestly be the perfect location to relocate MuppetVision to, but apparently we can't have nice things and need to promote a land that's going into an entirely different park instead.
PerGron
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This is a big one I think people forget a lot. The Department of Environmental Protection makes constructing on/near wetlands really really difficult (for good reason). Since wetlands are so crucial not just for biodiversity reasons but in Florida also for hurricane protection reasons and water supply reasons it makes it difficult to approve stuff when you’re on one big swamp. The fact WDW is so big is kind of a miracle taking that into account.
The zoo I got my start at was build on a swamp in the 50s and when we tried to get a new lion and tiger house constructed to upgrade their living quarters it was a hassle and a half and both of our tigers passed away before we even got it approved for get build solely because the new building would go over the percentage of land we were legally allowed to build on while protecting wetlands setbacks and whatnot.
Lord Fozzinator
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Whoever is running animation courtyard got some dirt on Bob Iger.
Evilgidgit
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Brer Panther
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Yeah, how come MuppetVision has to close but Animation Courtyard gets to survive? And the Frozen Sing-Along and the Mickey Shorts Theater, for that matter?
Mr. Sullivan
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To be fair, we’re not losing a high capacity, no-height restriction show. We’ll still have one. It’s just gonna be Monsters now rather than Muppets.
TheOriginalTiki
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As someone with pretty bad social anxiety, Laugh Floor is probably the one Disney attraction I absolutely refuse to do. I know there's seats specifically to avoid being "That Guy", but even the second hand anxiety of being put into that position is enough for me to nope the hell out of there the second I realized that element of the show was a thing.
Mr. Sullivan
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Anyway, we know that Launch Bay is getting developed in the future. Every reliable insider has said that both Muppets and LB were going they just didn’t know which of the two was going to make way for Monsters.
With that in mind, I think this is probably the best case scenario. The Muppets get to stay at Disney World, and outdated ride starring a child predator gets updated, we get a brand new family coaster, we get a brand new, really cool looking land that people have been wanting for years, we get a brand new non-height restricted high capacity show, and they’ve committed to preserving Muppet vision, although it is unclear what exactly they mean by that.
With that in mind, I think this is probably the best case scenario. The Muppets get to stay at Disney World, and outdated ride starring a child predator gets updated, we get a brand new family coaster, we get a brand new, really cool looking land that people have been wanting for years, we get a brand new non-height restricted high capacity show, and they’ve committed to preserving Muppet vision, although it is unclear what exactly they mean by that.
Mr. Sullivan
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it isn’t Laugh Floor, though. Laugh Floor is shown in the concept art but in a completely different spot from the current theater. The press release stated that it is an all new show. They might be moving Laugh Floor over at some point but the show they’re talking about is not Laugh Floor.
Some of the people in the know about the project doubt that LD is actually going to come over at all and it’s just going to close at Magic Kingdom and never be seen again