What Happened in Paris...can EASILY Happen in Disney World

[PhotoDave219]

Please discuss without resorting to name calling. Thank you.

Soooooooo...... How much do I have to derail this to get this locked?

 

[LAKid53]

We all know that certain individuals/groups are capable of doing the most unspeakable things - the Holocaust showed just how evil humanity can be. And it wasn't the first, nor has it been, sadly, the last demonstration of evil. All this speculation, ad nauseam, on what certain groups can and are willing to do isn't going to make any of us any safer. And I wonder, quite frankly, about the mindset of some of these posters. Not saying bury head in sand, but yeah, we get it. The world is dangerous. But give it a rest. If you are that concerned, go work for an anti-terrorism organization.

In the meantime, I'm going to continue to visit WDW. But will just be more observant. I'm NOT going to live my life in fear. Had enough of the boogie man fear mongering as a kid growing up in the 50s.

 

[TyrantBoss]

I think the point you're trying to make is fear-mongering. Terrorism can happen anywhere. Times Square, Millennium Park, The Mall, any airport, and theme park, any city anywhere in the world. You will never be entirely safe, unless you plan on giving up all your rights, and live entirely in a police-state. And then how worthwhile would living life be, if that were the requirements?

So, time to stop the scare-tactics. If you don't feel safe at Disney, then don't go visit. Problem solved.

You are reading into what you want. Don't project your fear onto me hero.
I am stating a very clear issue that exists at WDW. And as a paying customer I ask a valid question than anyone, everyone should be asking, "What is Disney doing about it?"

It's only fear mongering if you have something to be afraid of....and clearly you do.
From my perspective it's wanting to prepare for a contingency.
Let me guess...you don't think a terrorist is going to attack your plane as well. But you will gladly rely on someone like me to take action against that terrorist.
I would rather be prepared than be a victim....as should you.

 

[BrerJon]

No matter how many checks, detectors, strip searches, banning alcohol, insisting every guest is filmed 24/7... whatever steps the security fetishists insist on, there will *always* be ways round it for those determined to cause harm with no regard for their own life.

These incidents are incredibly rare. More people are killed by firearms every day in the USA than were killed in Paris. There are far, far worse things than terrorism to be worried about. Take basic security precautions, sure, but as soon as you make the experience of going to Disney as miserable as flying in the USA, the terrorists have won.

The best thing you can do is carry on as normal and say 'screw those guys'... they want you to change your behaviour, not doing so denies them that victory.

 

[TyrantBoss]

If Disney tipped their hand as to what plans were in place then that would give a potential terrorist the upper hand.

You been assured by many people already that there is more security than you are aware of.

Do you really expect somebody to spell out all the security that is currently in place? It will never happen, just as the USA will never spell out what national security measures are currently in place.

Yeah...just like we thought the AIRLINES or the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT had everything covered and that we were safe flying on planes. Then 9-11 happened. Yeah our protectors sure sprung into action to prevent that huh?
Nope...true to form the airlines and everyone else were reactive instead of proactive. Disney will be the same way.

I just hope it never happens, but I would feel much better we were wanded or check physically before entering the park....but that's okay.....Disney has it all under control right? Everything is peaches and cream and sunshine and rainbows there. .....yeah....you keep believing that.

 

[wm49rs]

Yeah...just like we thought the AIRLINES or the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT had everything covered and that we were safe flying on planes. Then 9-11 happened. Yeah our protectors sure sprung into action to prevent that huh?
Nope...true to form the airlines and everyone else were reactive instead of proactive. Disney will be the same way.

I just hope it never happens, but I would feel much better we were wanded or check physically before entering the park....but that's okay.....Disney has it all under control right? Everything is peaches and cream and sunshine and rainbows there. .....yeah....you keep believing that.

And you keep believing your own prattle. Win-win....

 

[unkadug]

This thread just keeps going in circles.

 

[ford91exploder]

I fear that day is getting close, though if I'm being totally honest, if the superpowers got together and decimated known terrorists, I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.

Adam

Trouble is it will not JUST be the terrorists it will be all out genocide.

 

[BrerJon]

I just hope it never happens, but I would feel much better we were wanded or check physically before entering the park....but that's okay.....Disney has it all under control right? Everything is peaches and cream and sunshine and rainbows there. .....yeah....you keep believing that.

But what makes Disney so special? Why not any location where masses of civilians gather? Where do you draw the line in locations where you want to be wanded and checked physically? Going to the mall, or your local Wal-Mart?

Hundreds of people there, perhaps they should have metal detectors on the way in. What about city parks? Always lots of people on a summers day, plenty of targets... swabs at the gates? A terrorist could detonate themselves in a busy apartment building, so maybe every apartment complex should have scanners and metal detectors too...

As soon as you start saying one place with lots of people needs tight checks, you can extend the logic everywhere, and once you do that... well you might as well live in a police state, which coincidentally is exactly what the terrorists are trying to achieve.

And the cost of all that, and the inconvenience, and the added misery... to prevent fewer deaths than happen every ten minutes from road accidents. Why not put that money towards fighting obesity, smoking, gun control or climate change? You would save far, far more American lives every year doing that than you would by turning the country into a police state.

 

[LAKid53]

This thread just keeps going in circles.

Time to shut it down...

 

[TyrantBoss]

But what makes Disney so special? Why not any location where masses of civilians gather? Where do you draw the line in locations where you want to be wanded and checked physically? Going to the mall, or your local Wal-Mart?

Hundreds of people there, perhaps they should have metal detectors on the way in. What about city parks? Always lots of people on a summers day, plenty of targets... swabs at the gates? A terrorist could detonate themselves in a busy apartment building, so maybe every apartment complex should have scanners and metal detectors too...

As soon as you start saying one place with lots of people needs tight checks, you can extend the logic everywhere, and once you do that... well you might as well live in a police state, which coincidentally is exactly what the terrorists are trying to achieve.

And the cost of all that, and the inconvenience, and the added misery... to prevent fewer deaths than happen every ten minutes from road accidents. Why not put that money towards fighting obesity, smoking, gun control or climate change? You would save far, far more American lives every year doing that than you would by turning the country into a police state.

You do realize that this is a Disney Parks board right?
I could talk about Subways in New York, or Six Flags in Georgia...but I don't think it would apply here.

 

[mf1972]

even if Disney considered anything mentioned here (wands, metal detectors, etc), I can imagine the price of admission will go up.
little off topic, just looking at it from another angle.

 

[DisneyOutsider]

Nope...true to form the airlines and everyone else were reactive instead of proactive. Disney will be the same way.

I just hope it never happens, but I would feel much better we were wanded or check physically before entering the park

Well, at least we've talked you down from your mandatory background checks and passport examinations. I can deal with metal detectors, a la sporting events (but at the end of the day, those are still just CYA measures)

 

[BuddyThomas]

What the-------?!?!?!?! What is with all these people advocating to get this thread locked? It is a legitimate subject for discussion due to Friday's events. And there is something really seriously creepy about people advocating for censorship after something like this happened. Censorship is exactly what the terrorists wanted when they attacked Charlie Hebdo in France the first time. I realize that the mods have apparently "cleaned" this thread a few times, but seriously, what is here is just a discussion. It is no worse than the whale discussion on the Sea World thread or any tipping thread that has ever existed. If you don't want to read or discuss, there are hundreds of other threads to visit.

 

[TyrantBoss]

Well, at least we've talked you down from your mandatory background checks and passport examinations. I can deal with metal detectors, a la sporting events (but at the end of the day, those are still just CYA measures)

Oh you haven't talked me down from anything. Disney should investigate every family...more specifically those from terroristic societies and lifestyles and ensure they are not a threat. They should work with the FBI in ensuring the safety of their parks.
There are ways of securing the park without destroying the enjoyment inside the park.

 

[senor_jorge]

We pretty much have all heard the news by now about that horrible attack in Paris last night.
These were attacked on civilians at a popular night spot. Coordinated attacks in several locations.

So what's to stop this from happening in Walt Disney World?
The short answer: Absolutely Nothing

Have you seen the security at WDW?
- Normally older gentlemen checking the bags of guests as they walk into the park. And it's not a very detailed search.
- And when you are simply carrying in a camera or have no bag...you aren't checked or wanded at all.
- I don't recall any guards carrying firearms
- There are no metal detectors
- There is little to no overarching security during the most crowded times (Parades, Fireworks)

So what is to stop a terrorist (or several) from bringing in a small video camera containing an explosive, and a cell phone as a trigger...buying something from a store...leaving their explosives in several bags around the park during the fireworks display when it is pitch black and everyone is distracted and looking up....and then the terrorists can simply activate the explosives with their cell phones and cause MASS casualties. How many hundreds can they kill? That would be horrible, FAR worse than what happened in Paris.

Hell, there are sites that offer free "Crowd Calendars" to let you know when the park is most likely going to be at the highest capacity. Or you can simply attend a number of times and watch the trends and learn the schedule.

So my question is.....how safe are we at Walt Disney World?
Do they have bomb and explosive detection devices?
They never swab any cameras so how do you know if one if not a bomb?
Do they have heavily armed reaction forces?
What are the evacuation protocols?
.... Have you TRIED getting out of Magic Kingdom in a hurry after the fireworks show? It takes forever. It is nearly impossible. We are like cattle being herded down a narrow canal. One explosive and you have mass chaos and no where to go.

I personally think this is a very serious issue that should be addressed Proactively instead of after something already happens that is devastating to life and safety at the parks.

I think that if you are really concerned about these issues you don't want your laundry list answered on a public forum.

 

[DisneyOutsider]

Oh you haven't talked me down from anything. Disney should investigate every family...more specifically those from terroristic societies and lifestyles and ensure they are not a threat. They should work with the FBI in ensuring the safety of their parks.
There are ways of securing the park without destroying the enjoyment inside the park.

Except there will be nobody left in the parks to enjoy them. That is the point where the entire customer base tells Disney to F off (I know I would).

Ignoring the political ramifications of your above suggestions (which are massive), do you realize how much time and money it would cost to carry out in-depth vetting and background checks on every single family entering into their parks?? I'll answer that for you: you quite obviously don't. If the threat level were ever so high as to dictate that level of security (it isn't, not even close), then the park would cease operations.

That's as much as I can get into it without smudging the line of name-calling.

 

[monothingie]

 

[TyrantBoss]

Except there will be nobody left in the parks to enjoy them. That is the point where the entire customer base tells Disney to F off (I know I would).

Ignoring the political ramifications of your above suggestions (which are massive), do you realize how much time and money it would cost to carry out in-depth vetting and background checks on every single family entering into their parks?? I'll answer that for you: you quite obviously don't. If the threat level were ever so high as to dictate that level of security (it isn't, not even close), then the park would cease operations.

That's as much as I can get into it without smudging the line of name-calling.

Never said every family, I said specific families and individuals. There are ways to do that.
And you worry about cost. The cost is negligible when compare to the loss of revenue, consumer confidence and safety that comes after a terrorists attack the park.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

 

[TyrantBoss]

I think that if you are really concerned about these issues you don't want your laundry list answered on a public forum.

The entire purpose of my starting this thread was to create a conversation about it.
Before now nobody...and I mean nobody...mentioned this as a possibility.
Everyone wants to pretend that the air doesn't move at WDW and it's all peaches and cream and sunshine and rainbows.
But this is a very serious concern and if I helped bring it to the minds of one or more people who may in turn address these concerns directly with Disney then perhaps something good may come out of it and generations will benefit from a safer park.