What Happend to Project Gemini???

wickedfan07

wickedfan07

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MickeyJman06 said:
im SOOOOO confused:dazzle:
i thought we wre getting a roller coaster like Gemini at Cedar Point
-MickeyJman06:veryconfu
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I just looked up Gemini on the Roller Coaster Database. Why on Earth would Disney build a wooden coaster in the middle of Epcot? I think you've got your stories crossed or something. Project Gemini wasn't the name of one particular attraction. It was the name of a broad set of refurbishments and new attractions around all of Future World. Nowhere in these plans (or any other plans I've ever heard about Epcot, past, present and future) was there mention of a wooden roller coaster in Future World or World Showcase. Not sure what you are thinking of.

kingslyZISSOU said:
I have a book called "Walt Disney's Epcot Center Creating the new world of tomorrow" which was released the year the park opened. [...]
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I just ordered a used copy of this book yesterday and I'm very excited to start reading it!
 
kingslyZISSOU

kingslyZISSOU

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wickedfan07 said:
I just ordered a used copy of this book yesterday and I'm very excited to start reading it!
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Its really cool. I never got to experience horizons, world of motion, or the original journey into the imagination. Its really cool to see what they were, and how they built them. My mom picked it up for me at a library sale. I am a lucky lucky person. she bought it for 1.50$. Its in really good condition too! Its pretty much what got me really interested in Imagineering. I never even thought about the design aspects of theme parks until i got this book. I have had it for a good 6 years, and still haven't even finished reading it. the pictures are way too distracting. I should finish reading it this week.
 
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uklad79

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kingslyZISSOU said:
has anyone given the metal work idea any thought? What do you guys think about that?
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Sorry but I just don't like the idea of metal work for a few reasons.

It's very late 90's airport/public realm looking

It's cold looking and will distract from the rest of the design

Metal work tarnishes or rusts over time and can quickly look dirty and aged unless painted. If it is painted then the issue of colour comes up what colour would fit in with the area.

You mentioned the pieces could be rotation art works? I think that art is such a subjective thing that anything created just as a work of art could be loved and loathed by just as many people. I think design elements of the park are a better area to focus on rather than adding public art.
 
kingslyZISSOU

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I think it just depends on how its executed. I think if its not stylized, and draws from many time periods, it could look cool. I'm thinking a cross between the 20,000 leagues ship design, and tomorrow land.

I'm pretty sure that metal with a protective coat like that of tomorrow land does not need to be in fear of rust. I have never seen rust in tomorrow land.
 
EPCOT Explorer

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Legacy said:
The idea of going back to something like what was there before the current version is even more retro and fan-boyish.

Yeah... I've seen the color change on Spaceship Earth. But can throw some color mixers on top of the surrounding buildings, spend thousands of dollars in the process, and it not make a lick of difference.

I do lighting, and I'm happiest when color changes aren't noticed. I think it's best when a person glances up and thinks, "wasn't it a different color before?"

Now, if they're do LED tubing trim, where the entire complex can change colors with the push of the button, then I am so there... but maybe that's too much of a change, since it isn't a static trim like what was there in the 80's.

I'm not trying to defend mediocrity, but I don't see how painting the walls are going to make anything less mediocre. If they're going to change the entrance plaza... then frickin' CHANGE the entrance plaza. Make it look futuristic, since it is "Future World." Make the trim change color. Give everything a pearlescent coating that makes the walls look like they change color. Put LED along the monorail track that changes with the movement of monorails moving overhead. In other words, do something completely different that isn't like what we had before or what we have now.

I'd be happy with metallic trees framing Spaceship Earth. Personally, I think palm trees are just too "Florida" to fit within Future World.

(And personally, I like the Leave a Legacy monuments.)
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I guess it 's the usuall and inevitable clash of opinions then...:lol:

Actually, I DO like the ideas you propose...THe lighting would be a nice change to the static feeling we have now.I just would like the plants updated,LOL.The overgrown/weedy look of the trees surrounding SSE just look unprofessional.The reason I suggested the "Retro" look of the old palm trees was that we knew it worked...But like you said,difference could be better.
I think the aesthetics of Project Tomorrow would go great in FW..The metallic but clean cut,angled look.The subtle neon in there would look really nice on the pavilions of FW.
Add some nice greenery and we should be good.
 
Giraffe Lounge

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Legacy said:
I do lighting, and I'm happiest when color changes aren't noticed. I think it's best when a person glances up and thinks, "wasn't it a different color before?"
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Personally, I'm happiest when the lighting is an integrated, thoughtfully composed element that people aren't consciously thinking about.


Legacy said:
Now, if they're do LED tubing trim, where the entire complex can change colors with the push of the button, then I am so there... but maybe that's too much of a change, since it isn't a static trim like what was there in the 80's.

I'm not trying to defend mediocrity, but I don't see how painting the walls are going to make anything less mediocre. If they're going to change the entrance plaza... then frickin' CHANGE the entrance plaza. Make it look futuristic, since it is "Future World." Make the trim change color.
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I don't really see color-changing LEDs as being all that futuristic. Maybe it depends where you live, but around me I see it far too often. On top of that, going back to the idea of things becoming outdated quickly, I think this is an effect thats already seen its height and will be on its way out sooner rather than later.

Not that all LED color changing is bad, but last winter during the SSE soft-opening there were uplights on the trees near the queue doing the idiotic red-green-blue color cycling-- I threw up in my mouth a little bit.

I'd much rather have them artfully light the architecture then have the lighting be the focus.

Legacy said:
Put LED along the monorail track that changes with the movement of monorails moving overhead.
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That could be fun. Glad there's another LD around here :wave:
 
Legacy

Legacy

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CMU-Lighting said:
Personally, I'm happiest when the lighting is an integrated, thoughtfully composed element that people aren't consciously thinking about.
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I think we're arguing the same thing on this one, but with a different focus. I don't want color changing to be obvious. It frustrates me when it is. Architectural lighting though, can be a show in and of itself (the Discovery Building in Silver Spring, MD is a perfect example).

I don't really see color-changing LEDs as being all that futuristic. Maybe it depends where you live, but around me I see it far too often. On top of that, going back to the idea of things becoming outdated quickly, I think this is an effect thats already seen its height and will be on its way out sooner rather than later.

Not that all LED color changing is bad, but last winter during the SSE soft-opening there were uplights on the trees near the queue doing the idiotic red-green-blue color cycling-- I threw up in my mouth a little bit.
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This goes back into the idea of architectural lighting being a "show." Tomorrowland is a completely different place at night because of its lighting. Future World could really benefit from a similar lighting revamp. The LED trim I would like to see would be the Color Flow Tubes (like here) because it would look like the standard neon tubing, but could change with the music. It could be discrete while having the potential to wow. I do agree that LEDs for the sake of LEDs is stupid; but LEDs that are intended to provide a real connect energy (not a stupid "Red/Green/Blue" color cycle) is a completely different beast. Imagine watching the Fountain of Nations dance to the music, and the lights on the surrounding buildings are doing the same thing. Done effectively, it could give the impression that the entire area is alive and dancing to the music it hears.
I'd much rather have them artfully light the architecture then have the lighting be the focus.

That could be fun. Glad there's another LD around here :wave:
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That's the beautiful thing about lighting. It can be a super, complex, elaborate design that is all about subtlety. I realize my prior description doesn't sound like that, but that's because we are the type of people who walk into a theater and the first thing we do is look up. Most people, even if the architectural lighting is super active, aren't painfully aware of it.

My ideas for Future World is, granted, for a complete overhaul that would (hopefully) change the barren, bland environment into a vibrant, living area. Lighting (especially kinetic lighting) is one of the easiest ways to do that.

(Plus, it would give me more to look around at).
 
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WDW Monorail

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The kinetic lights on the trees under SSE seemes to be....too kinetic. I would like to have much more subtle changes in the lighting.


wickedfan07 said:
That's good to hear. The way this book sounds, I think I'll have to get all of my math homework done tomorrow so that I have nothing else to do by the time the book comes.
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Which reminds me, I have to submit my Calc work done by tonight (online course). :o
 
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Rayray

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kingslyZISSOU said:
has anyone given the metal work idea any thought? What do you guys think about that?
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I'd be more of a fan of something that is a larger tribute to great innovators, scientists, and engineers (to me, Future World is somewhat of an homage to the many contributors of industry, technology, etc.). The current monument of sorts is the engraved tiles found between The Land and Innoventions.

I'm not sure if metalwork is the answer. I'd personally prefer more water feature, lighting, and landscaping vignettes.
 
Legacy

Legacy

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EPCOT Explorer said:
Disney would have to buy those in bulk then...In Miami the "Metro-Rail" has those on the sides of the tracks (that are elevated and run downtown) and SEVERAL are always out...it looks terrible.:cry:
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I want those for trim.

Ideally, I would love fiber-optics to be overlaid onto the monorail track. Ironically, it could give a lighting effect like the initially videos and posters implied with the lines traveling around Spaceship Earth (the opening of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdDuIJiJBjM ).

See... look. I have a healthy respect for the past. I just want it to inspired by the past... not mimic the past exactly.
 
EPCOT Explorer

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Legacy said:
I want those for trim.

Ideally, I would love fiber-optics to be overlaid onto the monorail track. Ironically, it could give a lighting effect like the initially videos and posters implied with the lines traveling around Spaceship Earth (the opening of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdDuIJiJBjM ).

See... look. I have a healthy respect for the past. I just want it to inspired by the past... not mimic the past exactly.
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:eek:

That would be AWESOME!

And I love that vid BTW...for the obvious reasons.:lol:Is it available for download anywhere?
 

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