What do you think of the EPCOT Central Spine redesign?

The Empress Lilly

The Empress Lilly

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marni1971 said:
Purposely no water. Until WoL.

East was always meant to be hard lines and straight paths. Designating technology.

West was curved paths and water to designate a more organic and natural theme.
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Andrew_Animatronic

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I'm just wondering if the LAL blocks will be demolished or removed and stored. Flowers and trees are pretty, but not quite futuristic in the Epcot sense (think swooping architecture). Overall, I see it as a way to make up for the lack of attention Epcot has gotten in a few years (festivals don't count), and won't be getting for a few more, when something of substance is added.
 
trainplane3

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Andrew_Animatronic said:
I'm just wondering if the LAL blocks will be demolished or removed and stored. Flowers and trees are pretty, but not quite futuristic in the Epcot sense (think swooping architecture). Overall, I see it as a way to make up for the lack of attention Epcot has gotten in a few years (festivals don't count), and won't be getting for a few more, when something of substance is added.
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I thought there was some clause in the contract that stated they had to keep LAL somewhere publicly accessible on WDW property. They could do a tasteful design by having the plaques line the overhangs on the sides of the entrance. Then again, no one knows what the new entrance is going to look like aside from the rocks being gone.
 
marni1971

marni1971

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trainplane3 said:
I thought there was some clause in the contract that stated they had to keep LAL somewhere publicly accessible on WDW property. They could do a tasteful design by having the plaques line the overhangs on the sides of the entrance. Then again, no one knows what the new entrance is going to look like aside from the rocks being gone.
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The plaques themselves have a clause to be displayed until x date.
 
George

George

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marni1971 said:
The plaques themselves have a clause to be displayed until x date.
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trainplane3 said:
That's what I thought. They can still move them around, right?
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I think they can move them, but I know quite a few people who purchased those plaques and certainly the expectation is that they will be displayed at the entrance of EPCOT. The last sales took place in summer of 2007, so the implication would be that summer of 2027 (people were told the pictures would be displayed for at least 20 years) Disney could do whatever they wanted. By way of full disclosure, I never purchased a plaque and find them ugly, but this could be a bit of a PR problem. I could see if I had purchased a plaque in 2003, kept track of my contract, took a vacation in 2020 with some family and was told that my plaque was no on display at Everything Pop.......that I would find it a bit off putting.
 
trainplane3

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George said:
I think they can move them, but I know quite a few people who purchased those plaques and certainly the expectation is that they will be displayed at the entrance of EPCOT. The last sales took place in summer of 2007, so the implication would be that summer of 2027 (people were told the pictures would be displayed for at least 20 years) Disney could do whatever they wanted. By way of full disclosure, I never purchased a plaque and find them ugly, but this could be a bit of a PR problem. I could see if I had purchased a plaque in 2003, kept track of my contract, took a vacation in 2020 with some family and was told that my plaque was no on display at Everything Pop.......that I would find it a bit off putting.
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To me, it's more they look ugly and cause interesting traffic flow issues after Illuminations. You have people that'll take the straight path right out of the park but then you'll have the people that'll zig zag through the rocks. This leads to some unnecessary merge points that slows everything down. Sure you have the paths on the far edges of the entrance, but the majority of people go for what should be the most direct and fastest route. Now this isn't like some life or death situation at all, but does slow things down more than it should. I'm all for placing the plaques on the outside edges of the entrance and putting a large planter in place of the rocks. This way people can see where they're going and *should* make things smoother.
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jt04

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George said:
I think they can move them, but I know quite a few people who purchased those plaques and certainly the expectation is that they will be displayed at the entrance of EPCOT. The last sales took place in summer of 2007, so the implication would be that summer of 2027 (people were told the pictures would be displayed for at least 20 years) Disney could do whatever they wanted. By way of full disclosure, I never purchased a plaque and find them ugly, but this could be a bit of a PR problem. I could see if I had purchased a plaque in 2003, kept track of my contract, took a vacation in 2020 with some family and was told that my plaque was no on display at Everything Pop.......that I would find it a bit off putting.
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But they will be on display.

Always read the fine print.
 
The Empress Lilly

The Empress Lilly

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George said:
I think they can move them, but I know quite a few people who purchased those plaques and certainly the expectation is that they will be displayed at the entrance of EPCOT. The last sales took place in summer of 2007, so the implication would be that summer of 2027 (people were told the pictures would be displayed for at least 20 years) Disney could do whatever they wanted. By way of full disclosure, I never purchased a plaque and find them ugly, but this could be a bit of a PR problem. I could see if I had purchased a plaque in 2003, kept track of my contract, took a vacation in 2020 with some family and was told that my plaque was no on display at Everything Pop.......that I would find it a bit off putting.
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Strictly speaking, they bought a plaque with the explicit understanding that they would be displayed in EPCOT.

Now they find themselves displayed in a surrounding of superheroes, pixar and princesses that can't possibly be described as EPCOT anymore. The plaques haven't gone anywhere, but EPCOT has, to the same effect of the plaques not being displayed in EPCOT anymore. Hmmm...time to lawyer up....
 
ChrisFL

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trainplane3 said:
To me, it's more they look ugly and cause interesting traffic flow issues after Illuminations. You have people that'll take the straight path right out of the park but then you'll have the people that'll zig zag through the rocks. This leads to some unnecessary merge points that slows everything down. Sure you have the paths on the far edges of the entrance, but the majority of people go for what should be the most direct and fastest route. Now this isn't like some life or death situation at all, but does slow things down more than it should. I'm all for placing the plaques on the outside edges of the entrance and putting a large planter in place of the rocks. This way people can see where they're going and *should* make things smoother.
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Agreed, I never understood why they designed it to block 80% of the traffic flow and also sight lines around the traffic flow. At least with the smaller planters they had originally, if you walked through them you could see from a distance how crowded a certain area is, now it's all hidden until you're running into each other.
 
Kman101

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ChrisFL said:
Agreed, I never understood why they designed it to block 80% of the traffic flow and also sight lines around the traffic flow. At least with the smaller planters they had originally, if you walked through them you could see from a distance how crowded a certain area is, now it's all hidden until you're running into each other.
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Looking at that overheard shot a few posts up made me think the same thing as you. It seemed really dumb to use all of that space for this. That's a LOT of room that foot traffic could be flowing through. But they didn't care I suppose as they made their money on them.
 
AndrewsJ

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freediverdude said:
This is what I'm afraid of, that they're going to get rid of these buildings, which gave an awe inspiring feel to the place, as well as being able to get out of the hot sun quickly if you need to, either in the building or under the breezeway. If it turns into a park-like area, Epcot will turn into a hot sweaty place to visit in the summer similar to Animal Kingdom. Yes they wouldn't have to air condition those big buildings, I'm sure that's what they're thinking, but it's really needed there with Florida weather.
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"which gave an awe inspiring feel to the place"
Past tense. That sums it up. Now it feels like an apocalyptic waste land of concrete and reminders of what was. Future World will never return the way it used to be so I'm sad to say I'm willing to donate a few bulldozers and wrecking balls. It's depressing like an abandoned downtown area now. I remember going into Comunicore/Inoventions and completely losing track of time. I was so captivated I could spend the majority of the day in there and as you mentioned it's air conditioned. I think that's one reason I loved Future World. There was so much to do inside and I hate to be hot. A few minutes outside strolling from pavilion to pavilion. There was so much to do in each one. Wonders of Life was a sad loss for me. I used to go in when it is used as a festival center but it's just too sad for me and don't even get me started on Horizons and the other attractions we lost. Sorry for the rant folks. I'm trying to embrace change and accept the fact that it will never be Future World again and I know a lot of it is nostalgia. I spent my entire summers in the area and went to the parks 4 and 5 times a week growing up. MK was fun but once EPCOT Center opened my life was changed. It was amazing. I avoid the park for the most part now. When I do go I enter through the International Gateway and rarely cross over into Future World. So bring on the new Epcot. This is a case of anything is better than what is there now. (IMHO)
 
Cmdr_Crimson

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Something else came to me...Now as we have seen in the "concept art" that Communicore is going to be removed...And depending on what side they remove they will eventually remove the Electric Umbrella.......Which got me thinking....If and when it closes and guests need their Quick Service needs instead of making their way to Liberty Inn.......Could we finally see Odyssey be open as a Quick Service during the transition?? I know they are using it for special events but it would still be cool if they were.
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matt9112

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Maeryk said:
Two story buildings has more to do with moving crowds than anything. With the explosion of hoverrounds and strollers, ramps are pretty much the only efficient way to move people to a second floor.. and those take up a LOT of space to get a grade that is ADA complaint. So it's just easier to sprawl.

Also, they could do plenty with the space that is MouseGear. Just as it was a display pavilion before the gift shop went in there.
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Force people to walk or take elevator (gasp) like the rest of the western world
 

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