What are everyone's thoughts on Walt Disney?

sublimesting

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I used to think he was like a big kid at heart that happened to build an empire of fun. However, I am about done reading "Animated Man: A Life of Walt Disney". The book is very well researched and shows Disney in, I think, a balanced light....not too gushy and certainly not inflammatory or salacious.
What I found from my readings is that Disney was a business man through and through. Not money-wise like Roy but a man intent on running a successful business no matter what it takes. In my mind Disney was a Willy Wonka type big kid (but not psychotically whimiscal) at heart who wanted nothing more than to make family films, create a cartoon wolrd of beloved characters and open a theme park where we could all get together with our families.
While this is the case, he fired long time friends, played hardball with his workers, could be impatient and distant and was first and foremost intent on running his company with an iron fist. It was a company founded on animation but expanded in a natural direction to include marketing of toys and clothes, etc., into live action films, television shows and then a theme park. It really makes me wonder what he had in store next, but also what he would have risked to get it.
Walt was ALL ABOUT risking everything. I get the feeling that if he could have gambled away Mickey Mouse himself to further his empire he would not hesitate. It gives new meaning to his adage that "Disney is not a museum." I don't think a single ride in any park was sacred and untouchable by Disney. The second it didn't make him a profit he would have cut it I'm sure.
One very interesting thing I have also noticed from reading multiple books on Disney is what a failure his animation career really was. Snow White was a monster hit. Pinocchio failed and Walt regretted making it. Fantasia was a failure and so was everything up until Cinderella. And Cinderella was his final gamble. If it didn't hit it big, he was done with animation and ready to move on. But then, subsequent films were basically failures until Little Mermaid. We look back on almost all of his animation and it seems so legendary, timeless, beautiful, breathtaking and groundbreaking but this was not always the case and certainly not the case at the time. And what we call a classic like Pinocchio, he called a failure. We find Alice in Wonderland charming, colorful and whimsically fun. Walt found it an unlikeable, unsympathetic failure.
From all this I find that Walt was a man that just kept plugging away and moving ahead against all odds. And that is most admirable. What Walt called failures he turned into successes. And maybe it took some time but most everything he did was a success after all.
Disney has changed for me. He is no longer a man of whimsy and fun that built Disney for us but more a man of drive and determination who built Disney for him and allowed us to tag along on his ride. Disney isn;t a company about cartoons but a company showing good old fashioned American ingenuity and achievement. The whole Disney story is a textbook case of how America was built.
And that's what I think about Walt Disney.
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SirGoofy

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First of all, it's a great book, and this is a great thread.

Yes, Walt was a ruthless business man, but more so than that, he was the ultimate showman and visionary, and the ultimate American(to a fault, some would say).

As you said, he took so many risks, but in my mind those risks were to advance the art of cinema, TV, or basically creating the art of the theme park. No matter what he did, he wanted people to enjoy it, which is why I think he was so hard on a lot of his animators and movie makers. He wasn't going to settle for an average film. He wanted everything he produced to be top of the line, something he could be proud of.
 

LoriMistress

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Very well said! :D Yes, Walt was ruthless, straight to the point, business man who took risks and felt that he failed on a majority of his projects. But he did paved the way animation. He truly is a legend.
 

Laura

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Premium Member
I think most people change their view of Walt after reading one of the many biographies out there.

I have the utmost respect for the guy. His ruthless determination and courage are inspirational. He also set his sights exceedingly high and made sure to reach his goals no matter how crazy or impossible they seemed.

He had a lot of human flaws, but so would most anyone else who grew up the way he did and then had the kind of pressure on them every day that he had. In a way I almost feel like he sacrificed his own mental and physical health for the sake of all of our entertainment and I'm grateful!
 

Walt Disney1955

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I've always thought he was a good man. The mention of him wanting to run the company with an iron fist, all I can say is "thank God he did". Why is that? Well, let's look at what he accomplished because he wanted it done his way:

Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Goofy, Pluto, Snow White, Pinocchio, Bambi, Dumbo, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Peter Pan, Jungle Book, Disneyland, Disney World etc. The man knew what he wanted and who among us has not had some happy memories from the above things.

There is a Youtube video that talks to old animators of Disney back in the golden era and one of the old animators states that talking bad about Walt is like "spitting on the American flag". He then says he always had this image of "Uncle Walt, well Uncle Walt was a rascal."

Now let's put this into perspective. If the price we have to pay is to have a few bitter animators in return for WDW and everything in it, all I can say is would that not be worth it? Doesn't it make you love Walt more?

(by the way is this the Stabler book that criticizes Walt to an extent?)
 

Walt Disney1955

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No I don't think Walt would sell of Mickey just to advance his agenda. I think he had a soft spot for him. I truly believe in the old saying that it was "all started by a mouse". I really believe Walt felt that way. Didn't he allegedly fire two animators for making a cartoon of Mickey and Minnie? For a man to be that driven and that much of a perfectionist I would assume there would be times when he was hard on maybe his family. But I have a wonderful dad and he was hard on me, but I wouldn't call him a bad father.

I think the image WDW and Disneyland want you to have of Walt is fairly accurate. The worst you ever hear of him is that he was a workaholic. He never is talked about as anything worse that I have heard. Yes Disney tends to imply that the man was perfect, he wasn't, but who is? I honestly believe he loved children and loved Disneyland. Remember, he started Disneyland so that parents and kids would have fun together.

Lastly I think some rides were sacred to Walt. I think he'd be happy if he knew that Peter Pan, Small World, Dumbo, Golden Carousel, Carouse of Progress and others were still there. He would certainly constantly want to add things, but I don't see him taking them away.
 

_Scar

Active Member
Poor Jiminy.... a failure.

Although he may of not realized it at the time, everything that man touched is golden. Everything.

Many movies and specials are forgotten over the years and usually are never brought up again by the general public, and yet most all of Walt's films still live on today still gaining more and more fans while touching a new generation. It's funny how a movie like Snow White from the 30's is still relevant today and how Pinocchio and Jiminy Cricket are still household names. And how pretty much every Alice character is revered and is often duplicated- but nothing ever seems to have the right formula Walt's film did that made a lasting impression over the span of half a century.
 

Walt Disney1955

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Poor Jiminy.... a failure.

Although he may of not realized it at the time, everything that man touched is golden. Everything.

Many movies and specials are forgotten over the years and usually are never brought up again by the general public, and yet most all of Walt's films still live on today still gaining more and more fans while touching a new generation. It's funny how a movie like Snow White from the 30's is still relevant today and how Pinocchio and Jiminy Cricket are still household names. And how pretty much every Alice character is revered and is often duplicated- but nothing ever seems to have the right formula Walt's film did that made a lasting impression over the span of half a century.

Yes you are right, post 1967 (jungle Book) what Disney movie other than your avatar (Lion King) has made a lasting impact? The Rescuers? The Fox and the Hound? No way. To a lesser extent perhaps Aladdin, Beast and Mermaid. But there is still nothing that beats the timeless classics.

Walt if anything was too hard on himself. Maybe it led him to smoke as much as he did, who knows. One thing Walt said was that he loved Disneyland because he could always add to it. He said Snow White is something that he wanted to add things to but couldn't since it is a finished product. Walt, it was GREAT! :sohappy: relax
 

_Scar

Active Member
Well, I do think all the 90's movies somehow took part in shaping the next and new generations. So I think they will live on as well as Walt's classics.
 

Avenger117

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Gamble away Mickey? no way, he was far too in love with that mouse. But from what I have read it would seem accurate to consider him a ruthless leader and businessman. I don't know if it was to expand the reach of his empire or in order to make enough money to have the resources to do anything that his mind could think of, but I would like to believe it was the latter. He seemed to always want Disney to offer a level of perfection that you couldn't find anywhere else. I read a quote once that said he would fire and hire back employees just so they wouldn't get complacent. He ran a pretty tight ship and I think thats why we now hold Disney to such a high standard.
 

raven

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He was a dreamer that actually did something and started a global empire by drawing a stick figure of a mouse. So you can guess what my thoughts are about the man. :animwink:
 

Disneykidder

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I think your assessment was dead on. After doing a biography on him in college my pov about him was changed, as well. A legend and sooo ahead of his time he was. A perfectionist to the extreme he also was. He was ruthless and some of the things he said/did were not at all in the spirit of kindness. Even his family members and closest of friends have said that he was this way. However, I have also heard of some wonderful, heartfelt stories about things he did for co-workers/their families and strangers. My overall assessment about him was he was cranky and moody but was sometimes generous.:)

No matter what, I have the upmost respect for him. Afterall, if not for him we wouldn't even be on this site--it wouldn't exist but we would all have a lot more money for not spending it on his merchandise/parks. :lol:
 

Wilt Dasney

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This is one of my absolute favorite Walt Disney stories (actually it's a couple of stories): http://www.artsandlettersmagazine.com/FeaturedArticleSteveRubenstein.html

And for those of you putting Disney biographies on backorder, don't forget Neal Gabler's Walt Disney: The Triumph of the American Imagination. It's heavy on the amateur psychoanalysis, but makes up for it with a very thorough narrative covering all the major events in Walt's life. (And no, I don't get a dime if you buy a copy. Heck, just check one out from the library like I did.) :lol:
 

sublimesting

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(by the way is this the Stabler book that criticizes Walt to an extent?)


It's "Animated Man: A Life of Walt Disney" by J. Michael Barrier.

Do you mean "Walt Disney: The Triumph of the American Imagination" by Neal Gabler?

Both had good Amazon reviews. I originally bought the book for my wife as she wanted a Disney biography. I did quite a bit of research on the best books and this one seemed to get very good reviews for being objective and balanced. Even the detractors say it is historically spot on acurate and very well researched.
 

Figment632

New Member
He is one of my idols, I keep a picture of him on my desk. He was a great man with a great dream and there is way more evidence that he was not a racist, so I don't by that crap for a second. I have two pictures on my desk one is Walt Disney and the other is ROnald Regan.
 

devoy1701

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I love the man! I wish he would have had a chance to live longer! He was a enthusiastic go-getter who knew he could do something great and set out to do that. I mean at 16 he heads over to France with the Red Cross to help with the war effort (even though the war was over), by 22 he was in LA with his 2nd Cartoon studio! Wouldn't it be great if the youth of today was this ambitious! I'm doing what I can, i'll be out of college at 21 with 2 degrees and already have a full-time well paying job (not that Walt went to college or a well paying job was anything he cared about) but he puts alot of us to shame with his drive.

I have read 3 1/2 Bios on him so far (reading Triumph of American Imagination now) and I still have a great appreciation for everything that he accomplished. Besides his dictator-like, arrogant, and perfectist ways of running his business (which isn't always a bad thing if you are respectful to your employees, which he was not necessarily always respectful) he still had alot of traits that people should look up to.
 

devoy1701

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He is one of my idols, I keep a picture of him on my desk. He was a great man with a great dream and there is way more evidence that he was not a racist, so I don't by that crap for a second. I have two pictures on my desk one is Walt Disney and the other is ROnald Regan.

Fantastic! :sohappy: :king: :)
 

bgraham34

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Good ole Uncle Walt. He is one of those people I that if you had to choose one person dead to have dinner with it would be him. I would love to have dinner with Walt when he first started Hyperion and then later in the 60's. Just to see how much he changed.
 

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