WFTV: Brawl between 3 guests at Epcot caught on video

Nick Pappagiorgio

Well-Known Member
Classy!
I just don't understand why the Mouse would allow these guest to continue on with their day inside the park? I realize that Epcot is a large park with many attractions but who's to say that these parties don't run into each other again and their behavior escalates! Does security and management have their talk with them, slap them on the hands and send them on their way with a handful of FP's and other freebies? Or are the parties escorted around the park to ensure that no further issues occur?
Such a mess! For the children involved, surrounding guests that had to witness it and the CM who undoubtedly will be reprimanded or worse for taking action.

Not as big as you think. Last time I was at Epcot I saw a couple wearing matching Golden State Warriors shirts, getting off of a bus as we walked into the park. Never spoke to them but I saw them three other times in the park throughout the day.
 

hardcoredisney

New Member
And the worst of it - that slightly perplexed beautiful little boy in the striped shirt.

Who acts like that? In front of their kids? At a theme park?
Answer to all of the above: Trash.

It is really easy to let your emotions get the best of you during the peak season with the temperature reaching into the upper 90s on Sunday. Its a shame with the current cost of tickets for the parks these days that their one memory will be this incident between the women.
 

JenniferS

When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
It is really easy to let your emotions get the best of you during the peak season with the temperature reaching into the upper 90s on Sunday. Its a shame with the current cost of tickets for the parks these days that their one memory will be this incident between the women.
Welcome to the forums.

I respectfully disagree. There is no excuse for a woman to act that way in front of her children, possibly putting them in harm's way, just because she's tired, or hot, or hungry.
She's not a 2-year old whose tantrum might be excused. She's a full grown adult - and judging by her younger daughter's reaction, this is not the first time Mama has popped a kook. Disney's failure to evict her sorry butt from the park, pretty much guarantees that this won't be her last bout of vile behaviour.
 

drp4video

Well-Known Member
For the CM it is a no win situation. Do you watch while people are beating up on each other and not try to stop it, or because it is against Disney policy, do you do nothing? In my opinion he did the right thing, the human thing. As a lawyer myself I can honestly say though that the sad thing about this is that no matter what happened, some lawyer WILL file on lawsuit for the perps agains Disney. watch....
 

mouse_luv

Well-Known Member
It is really easy to let your emotions get the best of you during the peak season with the temperature reaching into the upper 90s on Sunday. Its a shame with the current cost of tickets for the parks these days that their one memory will be this incident between the women.

I respectfully disagree, it was hot humid and felt like it was 112 some days when I was in the parks last month and never ever would I have lost myself to the point of what these "women" did. Just disgusting behavior on all accounts.
 

s8film40

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I feel for th CM but if there is a policy stating they should not interfere it is his fault and if there is no policy shame on Disney
Yeah I've known several CM's who have been in this situation. I've even seen them get reprimanded when they didn't even get involved they were just there when it happened. Most experienced CM's know when something like this happens to get away from the situation as quickly as possible and don't even talk to them.
 

Foolish Mortal

Well-Known Member
For the CM it is a no win situation. Do you watch while people are beating up on each other and not try to stop it, or because it is against Disney policy, do you do nothing? In my opinion he did the right thing, the human thing. As a lawyer myself I can honestly say though that the sad thing about this is that no matter what happened, some lawyer WILL file on lawsuit for the perps agains Disney. watch....

and just once I wish Disney would stand up and fight it !! these idiots shouldn't get a dime, they should get banned. at least the one that started the physical part.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
CM friends...... when you call Security for an altercation like this, how long does it take for them to actually show up?

I remember once seeing a similar altercation (7/8 years ago)of guests getting into it at the exit to SSE (GR side) and managers and security came out of the woodwork in a hurry. The narrative there was one guest accidentally bumped another guest, apologized for it and then things began to escalate. Cooler heads eventually prevailed, no punches were thrown, but it was rather loud....
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member
CM friends...... when you call Security for an altercation like this, how long does it take for them to actually show up?

I remember once seeing a similar altercation (7/8 years ago)of guests getting into it at the exit to SSE (GR side) and managers and security came out of the woodwork in a hurry. The narrative there was one guest accidentally bumped another guest, apologized for it and then things began to escalate. Cooler heads eventually prevailed, no punches were thrown, but it was rather loud....
It depends on the location in the park. Towards the front of the park there are lots of security, down inside a queue for an attraction it would take a little longer but probably not more than about 5 minutes.

On a side note when I was a CM my personal rule was that anything involving a physical altercation or really anything that would constitute a crime in progress I did not call security I dial 911. Once OCS or RCES is dispatched security is made aware and typically shows up first anyways, but I would rather have the people who can actually do something on their way just in case. You should never assume that something won't escalate to a more dangerous situation.
 

peachykeen

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CM friends...... when you call Security for an altercation like this, how long does it take for them to actually show up?

I remember once seeing a similar altercation (7/8 years ago)of guests getting into it at the exit to SSE (GR side) and managers and security came out of the woodwork in a hurry. The narrative there was one guest accidentally bumped another guest, apologized for it and then things began to escalate. Cooler heads eventually prevailed, no punches were thrown, but it was rather loud....

I've had to call security several times. Usually I could hear the call going out over Ops before I was even off the phone with the dispatch. I've noticed response times differ depending on if the call is "Security requested @ _____" versus "Security requested for Signal 22 verbal/physical @ ____"

If it's the former, they are there within 5 minutes. If it's the latter, they're there within 1-2 minutes, and usually more than one security CM.

Signal 22 is code for a fight, and verbal or physical addresses what type.
 

NiarrNDisney

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Not as big as you think. Last time I was at Epcot I saw a couple wearing matching Golden State Warriors shirts, getting off of a bus as we walked into the park. Never spoke to them but I saw them three other times in the park throughout the day.

Case and point:
Here is a perfect example that could prove that the assailants left to their own devices can easily run into one another again in the park which could cause the initial encounter to reoccur! They should have either been asked to leave or escorted around the park to keep their antics at bay.
 
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SoupBone

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It is really easy to let your emotions get the best of you during the peak season with the temperature reaching into the upper 90s on Sunday.

No it isn't, it's called acting like a mature adult. You know Walt Disney created the parks so that kids and adults can be kids at heart, he didn't mean for the adult kids to act like trashy spoiled brats.

Its a shame with the current cost of tickets for the parks these days that their one memory will be this incident between the women.

Well I agree there. Poor little boy doesn't stand a chance with trash parents like that.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
Wow. I can't believe he was suspended for defending himself. That is just unacceptable. Common sense is always the key in applying and enforcing rules. Obviously it wasn't used in your son's situation. I'm glad at least that the School Board will have to answer for this mistake.

Yep, zero tolerance policies = zero intelligence policies. There's no way for common sense to enter the fray at all, which is deeply troubling.
 

Victor Kelly

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First once someone puts their hands on me in a hostile manner, there is no turning my back to them, they are going to eat concrete hard and fast. Second the CM did the right thing. Lastly, I want to see the security footage from Disney's cameras, which I know they have plenty cameras.

My statement still stands, Six Flags as come to Disney.
 

Arthur Wellesley

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Sometimes fights or other incidents can go on for awhile without any CM's being able to do much about it, or security even arriving at all. In this situation from Disneyland back in April, the CM's were helpless to resolve anything, and without the aid of security, they had to pretty much stand aside & let the idiocy calm itself down. When chaos has the numbers & the upper hand, sometimes all you can do is let chaos run it's course.

Edit: And if you notice around 2:05 into the video, a guest in a black jacket tries to seek safety by hiding from the fight behind two CM's. Yet the CM's eventually just walk away, allowing the blonde-haired aggressor to run up & try to clobber the woman seeking safety. Security never arrived.
 
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t3techcom18

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Sooo to put everything into perspective and set the record straight.

I know many people in that area of Future World East and worked at TT, so I know exactly who the CM is in that video and most of the details of what happened.

As far as to what happened, what some of you guessed is true: the fight started due to people cutting each other post-Design Studio. It's something that's been happening more and more lately at TT for some odd reason, but this is definitely the most extreme of the situation. They went at it for a good bit verbally before the physical part of the altercation came out, hence how the video was able to be shot.

Security was called in, but never showed up until 8 minutes in. It greatly saddens me that they took this long to get there, but it was a perfect storm of miscommunication that resulted in both management and security arriving later than anticipated. Even in regular emergency situations, there have been times where it's taken more than 5 minutes to get to the scene (waiting 10 minutes for Reedy Creek to show up when you have a girl that suddenly fell unconscious and is shaking all over isn't fun). Security followed them through but from what I've been told, weren't able to follow them after trailing both parties for a while.

In regards to the CM: He's a great guy. He's been with the company in the same area for several years and knows what he's doing. Going from personal experience, situations like these are not rare among us who work E-ticket rides. Granted, this is definitely one of the worst I've ever seen, but he's been at TT since the start of his career at WDW, so this isn't a new experience for him. It's also funny that some of you have been mentioning about being a teacher can help with these kinds of situations; he himself is actually a teacher at his regular job.

We're all worried right now as to what's going to happen with him (especially given the current state of the area), but everyone there is in agreement that he did the right thing. Did he touch the guest? By the video's details, obviously. Was it warranted? Absolutely. We're talking about not only two groups of people getting into it, but other guests surrounded on all sides of them that could've gotten injured, especially for the fact that a personal belonging was used as a weapon. As for him reaching out like that, you have to remember: that part of the queue is the bend right before you into Load. There's going to be many people behind, in front, and next to them. The fastest way to get through that area (and, in this case, your own personal protection) is to stay behind the railings in the Single Rider queue. It wasn't only a matter of protecting the other guests around him, but also self-defense.

What IS good news is that the manager on duty that night has experience from being in Security within WDW AND has previous law enforcement experience, so we're hoping that helps a lot from their own perspective.

Lastly on the question of whether or not we're trained to handle these kinds of situations: Not. at. all. We're only told to call a coordinator or manager when we feel that there is a possibility of something about to happen, if a situation is getting out of hand, etc, and then only call Security when absolutely needed. In the event of something like this happens, you try and get them to calm down and lead them away from other guests, but when it comes to large scale situations such as these, there isn't really a clear procedure in place.

Believe me when I say this: these kinds of things happen far more often than you realize.
 

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