WFTV: Brawl between 3 guests at Epcot caught on video

[englanddg]

I really felt for him too. As a teacher, it's really nerve-racking to break up a fight. I'm always worried about getting in trouble for holding a kid back from going after another kid, but in the end, I always do what I can to keep whoever is involved from getting hurt. There have been teachers in this area who have gotten in trouble for breaking up fights, and there was also one teacher recently who got into trouble for not immediately breaking up a fight, even though the fight was quite violent by the time she got there, and she was an older teacher and would have probably gotten hurt (she did call the office, and they were on their way). It just stinks for CM's and teachers that when a fight happens, you're "darned if you do and darned if you don't!"

I can only imagine what you see and go through. That stinks, I feel for ya (with empathy, I've been there, done that...).

I learned a long time ago never to actually break up fights between kids. One time I did, and I was trying to keep the kid from getting in trouble, thought I was "doing him a favor", so I lectured him and was about to send him on his way (he was just shoving kids out of the way at the skeeball lanes). His Momma stormed up and started yelling at me that "No one lectures my child but his momma." I apologized profusely and backed away. As I was leaving, she smacked her child and said "Don't you ever let someone talk to you that way, you demand respect."

(she actually used some other terms starting with C and H that involve my skin color, but I'll leave you to imagine how that conversation went).

Anyhow, I learned my lesson. From that point forward, when I caught a kid misbehaving, I took them to their Momma.

 

[R W B]

Straight trash! Sad to say but I always thought that the prices and continued price hikes would keep trash out of WDW. Guess not.

(Trash comes in all shapes, colors and sizes before anyone gets too offended)

 

[nelsonj3]

I can only imagine what you see and go through. That stinks, I feel for ya (with empathy, I've been there, done that...).

I learned a long time ago never to actually break up fights between kids. One time I did, and I was trying to keep the kid from getting in trouble, though I was "doing him a favor", so I lectured him and was about to send him on his way (he was just shoving kids out of the way at the skeeball lanes). His Momma stormed up and started yelling at me that "No one lectures my child but his momma." I apologized profusely and backed away. As I was leaving, she smacked her child and said "Don't you ever let someone talk to you that way, you demand respect."

(she actually used some other terms starting with C and H that involve my skin color, but I'll leave you to imagine how that conversation went).

Anyhow, I learned my lesson. From that point forward, when I caught a kid misbehaving, I took them to their Momma.

Wow. That's crazy. I don't usually physically break up fights unless I feel like someone is going to get hurt, and obviously, I try to get them to stop by yelling first (I know that sounds bad, but they don't hear you if you don't yell). I'm pretty strong on discipline with parents and students. I am always professional and respectful, but I have told parents like that before that if they didn't want me lecturing their child, then they should have gotten there first... lol

Some parents can be pretty crazy. I've got so many stories, but of course, I can't really share most of them... (except in the most general terms). Of course, the great parents always outnumber the crazy ones, and most of my students are very respectful and appreciative most of the time. It's just those few bad apples sometimes... ;-)

 

[englanddg]

Straight trash! Sad to say but I always thought that the prices and continued price hikes would keep trash out of WDW. Guess not.

(Trash comes in all shapes, colors and sizes before anyone gets too offended)

I've watched the video more than I should and really can't assign any blame to either party (as they both seemed in the wrong and full of 'tude). I think the mom should have told her teen to back off (it's hard to tell if the argument was between both the mom and teen and the other lady, or just the teen because of when the video starts).

They both were in the wrong, and due to angle and focus issues, you can't tell if the brolly attack was in defense for something else (like the other lady may have pushed her daughter). You really can't tell, and I'm sure both sides will lie.

So, with that said, you are correct. Trash. All of them. Eject from the park. Have a magical day (said in that dripping sweet tone that lets you know the CM really hates your guts).

 

[englanddg]

Wow. That's crazy. I don't usually physically break up fights unless I feel like someone is going to get hurt, and obviously, I try to get them to stop by yelling first (I know that sounds bad, but they don't hear you if you don't yell). I'm pretty strong on discipline with parents and students. I am always professional and respectful, but I have told parents like that before that if they didn't want me lecturing their child, then they should have gotten there first... lol

Some parents can be pretty crazy. I've got so many stories, but of course, I can't really share most of them... (except in the most general terms). Of course, the great parents always outnumber the crazy ones, and most of my students are very respectful and appreciative most of the time. It's just those few bad apples sometimes... ;-)

The bad apples always stand out. Most guests at CEC are not violent mobs of ingrates, but it became such a common trope on the net that even the major news media got involved a few years back.

That said, it is rather common in some stores...like, once a month or so. But the vast majority of the time (and locations) it isn't the case at all.

 

[tissandtully]

The issue isn't the safety of the CM. It's that Disney can be sued because of the actions of the CM (and may be). That's why you shouldn't touch guests. As I said, I've seen it from CEC (the silly lawsuits). Never me personally, but I heard rumblings and stories.

All they need is to say that the "CM bodyslammed her against the railing, and now she has permanent back and neck problems that are chronic and difficult to diagnose, but confirmed by her chiropractor." Even the video could be interpreted as him slammed her down, almost like a body slam, against the railing (even though calmer, saner minds would certainly see it as him trying to restrain her and her losing balance), but that doesn't matter.

He shouldn't have touched her, and certainly not in that way (or groping after her later after she escaped...)

Stinks for the CM, but honestly, that's the only mistake he made (and should constitute nothing more than a conversation like I just had from his boss, followed up with a paid day off at the minimum). <shrug>

Right I was only making a point that employees should never intervene in those matters, it's not worth the risk for themselves to put themselves in harms way for a company.

 

[britdaw]

It takes a special type of razzhole to fight someone at Disney World.... Especially over a ride.

 

[Andsome]

World Star!!!!!!!!

Damn, you beat me to it!

 

[ItlngrlBella]

Disney just needs to post signs...

"If you act like trash, you will be taken out as such."

Each time we go, we hear more cursing and see more trash. It cheapens the entire place.

 

[Jimmy Thick]

It takes a special type of razzhole to fight someone at Disney World.... Especially over a ride.

We only know about this because there is video evidence. I find it extremely hard to believe it does not happen more often.

Jimmy Thick- If not daily.

 

[englanddg]

We only know about this because there is video evidence. I find it extremely hard to believe it does not happen more often.

Jimmy Thick- If not daily.

I'm sure daily is a bit of an exaggeration, but a few times a year wouldn't surprise me in the least.

 

[NiarrNDisney]

Classy!
I just don't understand why the Mouse would allow these guest to continue on with their day inside the park? I realize that Epcot is a large park with many attractions but who's to say that these parties don't run into each other again and their behavior escalates! Does security and management have their talk with them, slap them on the hands and send them on their way with a handful of FP's and other freebies? Or are the parties escorted around the park to ensure that no further issues occur?
Such a mess! For the children involved, surrounding guests that had to witness it and the CM who undoubtedly will be reprimanded or worse for taking action.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I'd guess Disney left the choice to the guests and they chose not to press charges, at least that's how we handle non injury fights in casinos in Vegas. I guarantee they would have been thrown out though and probably 86'd, maybe Disney policy is intended to not punish the kids for their parents bad behavior but it seems if the guests got into another fight Disney could be in big trouble for knowingly letting violent guests stay in the park. No win situation for both the CMs and Disney.

 

[Bolt]

Hmm, the most recent guest altercation before this was also at Epcot (during FW festival). I wonder if the frequency of altercations at the park has anything to do with alcohol?

I think it's more we would never have known this even happened if it weren't for camera phones.

 

[alphac2005]

Disney just needs to post signs...

"If you act like trash, you will be taken out as such."

Each time we go, we hear more cursing and see more "characters." I sat outside of IASW with my little one and people watched as we waited for the rest of our family to get off of a ride.

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In all seriousness, I'm no prude by any stretch of the imagination, but less and less people have any dignity and class in our society. I've noticed that it isn't limited to a certain type of economic background, people are just becoming trashier no matter the background.

We had reservations on tap for a particular resort in the fall and after some consideration, we changed over to another resort as the clientele experience is a lot different at the two resorts. I don't care to be around the pretentious stuffy types, but I certainly don't feel like being part of the Jerry Springer audience.

 

[steviej]

As far as the cm is concerned, as a cp alumni, we were trained to NEVER get involved in a fight. Not to try to stop it, not to help by standers. We were trained to call security and let them deal with it.

 

[Disney4family]

I really felt for him too. As a teacher, it's really nerve-racking to break up a fight. I'm always worried about getting in trouble for holding a kid back from going after another kid, but in the end, I always do what I can to keep whoever is involved from getting hurt. There have been teachers in this area who have gotten in trouble for breaking up fights, and there was also one teacher recently who got into trouble for not immediately breaking up a fight, even though the fight was quite violent by the time she got there, and she was an older teacher and would have probably gotten hurt (she did call the office, and they were on their way). It just stinks for CM's and teachers that when a fight happens, you're "darned if you do and darned if you don't!"

My mom (a former teacher) stood next to a fight and said everything she was supposed to say to stop it until admin came. One of the girls turned and punched her in the mouth. My mom has had extensive work done on her teeth ever since.

When a fight broke out in my room once, I sent a kid to another room to get a rather large teacher to intervene. I'm extremely petite and was 6 months pregnant at the time.

 

[bhg469]

As far as the cm is concerned, as a cp alumni, we were trained to NEVER get involved in a fight. Not to try to stop it, not to help by standers. We were trained to call security and let them deal with it.

I figured that is policy but the human reaction is to stop an altercation, especially when a weapon is being used.

 

[nelsonj3]

My mom (a former teacher) stood next to a fight and said everything she was supposed to say to stop it until admin came. One of the girls turned and punched her in the mouth. My mom has had extensive work done on her teeth ever since.

When a fight broke out in my room once, I sent a kid to another room to get a rather large teacher to intervene. I'm extremely petite and was 6 months pregnant at the time.

Teaching can be a very dangerous job! One of the teachers at my school got hit during a fight, and she required medical attention as well. The principal said that she could press charges against the student, but she chose not to. I would have pressed charges. These kids need to learn that there are consequences for their actions, or they could turn out like the ladies in the video.

 

[Disney4family]

Teaching can be a very dangerous job! One of the teachers at my school got hit during a fight, and she required medical attention as well. The principal said that she could press charges against the student, but she chose not to. I would have pressed charges. These kids need to learn that there are consequences for their actions, or they could turn out like the ladies in the video.

It can be, but just like WDW, the pros outweigh the cons. I love what I have done for over twenty years and would continue for another twenty, except I know I am meant to be Sorcerer Mickey's "friend" at the end of Fantasmic one day! I have seen changes in kids, parents and, I guess, society, over the years at work and at WDW. My "kids" have more issues these days and WDW has more garbage tossed around (don't worry, my husband picks it up all day long saying, " not in my house"). I just stay optimistic, hopeful and patient that each day will be fun, positive and productive for everyone, which is why I always wish everyone "a magical day" everyday!