Wetland Use Expansion Permit

[danlb_2000]

If anything, it shows how what is written in the "Master Plans" can change overnight.

I don't know if I was call these sorts of changes as being "overnight". The permit in this case if 913 pages long, and I bet considerable time and money went into developing this plan, not to mention that cost of buying the new land and the remediations they plan to do on this land.

 

[Master Yoda]

I don't know if I was call these sorts of changes as being "overnight". The permit in this case if 913 pages long, and I bet considerable time and money went into developing this plan, not to mention that cost of buying the new land and the remediations they plan to do on this land.

Overnight might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but the point is they can me changed. There are quite a few people who look at the master plans as carved in stone.

 

[danlb_2000]

Overnight might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but the point is they can me changed. There are quite a few people who look at the master plans as carved in stone.

I agree. On the other extreme people need to understand that things like the land suitability designations aren't just lines on a map, there are real practical reasons land is designated the way it is. Just because the plan changes to allow them to build on wetlands, doesn't change the fact that they are wetlands which are harder to build on.

 

[Rob562]

Since we're having fun with this...what could possibly fit in an area of about .5 square miles?

They could fill int he wetlands east of the Studios to build the rumored parking garages to expand the park into the current lot...

-Rob

 

[Master Yoda]

I agree. On the other extreme people need to understand that things like the land suitability designations aren't just lines on a map, there are real practical reasons land is designated the way it is. Just because the plan changes to allow them to build on wetlands, doesn't change the fact that they are wetlands which are harder to build on.

Absolutely. I worked as an entry level draftsman for a custom home builder in the early 90's and they acquired about a dozen lots on what was previously designated as wetlands. They were having to remove 8'-10' of muck and replace with back-fill on every lot and that was just for residential construction. I can only imagine what they would have had to do for any major kind of commercial construction.

 

[tl77]

So basically they are buying new land and reallocating existing land on the edges of the property, so that they can make expansions within the existing property, or so they can now build on some of the light green and dark green areas of this map, although these expansions could end up being simple things new roads, parking lots, laundry facilities, ect... over the next 20 years

 

[danlb_2000]

The permit also says that the new 350 acres will not come from the Wildlife Management Conservation Area which is marked in dark green on this map.

 

[muteki]

I don't know if I was call these sorts of changes as being "overnight". The permit in this case if 913 pages long, and I bet considerable time and money went into developing this plan, not to mention that cost of buying the new land and the remediations they plan to do on this land.

Certainly, overnight wasn't the right wording. More from an outsider's perspective that doesn't follow these activities, what one day might be representative of the plan, publicly known info, today might not be the case, or otherwise different. Yoda explains it better:

Overnight might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but the point is they can me changed. There are quite a few people who look at the master plans as carved in stone.

Point was that previous plans CAN be changed, and shouldn't be used as evidence to what an entity like WDW can/can't do. I'm sure similar planning maps exist for Universal, and are equally representative of what they might/might not happen.

 

[jt04]

Well. Well. Well. Guess they are not just selling off land and not preserving it. Definitely long term strategic planning happening. The locations look like buffer, backstage support and expansion possibilities. A bit of everything it seems.

Great news.

 

[danlb_2000]

Well. Well. Well. Guess they are not just selling off land and not preserving it. Definitely long term strategic planning happening. The locations look like buffer, backstage support and expansion possibilities. A bit of everything it seems.

Great news.

The locations that are being added are likely not going to be used for anything other then preservation, since they were added to offset the use of other wetlands.

 

[maxairmike]

So basically they are buying new land and reallocating existing land on the edges of the property, so that they can make expansions within the existing property, or so they can now build on some of the light green and dark green areas of this map, although these expansions could end up being simple things new roads, parking lots, laundry facilities, ect... over the next 20 years

I find it interesting that they decided to take that largest plot by FC that was entirely suitable/marginally suitable land and converted it wetlands. Also, the large plot of non-adjacent land is adjacent to their current Wilderness Preserve, so that might have been a way to get around that requirement without jumping through more complex hoops.

Looks like I have some more reading material!

 

[John]

Well. Well. Well. Guess they are not just selling off land and not preserving it. Definitely long term strategic planning happening. The locations look like buffer, backstage support and expansion possibilities. A bit of everything it seems.

Great news.

Hey, I thought you were given an extended vacation from da Magic?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Overnight might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but the point is they can me changed. There are quite a few people who look at the master plans as carved in stone.

This is what needs to be repeated over and over again, quite loudly. Master Plans are not decrees handed down by God. Nor does Reedy Creek Improvement District being controlled by Disney mean they are a solid blueprint of Disney's plans.

 

[Tom]

This is what needs to be repeated over and over again, quite loudly. Master Plans are not decrees handed down by God. Nor does Reedy Creek Improvement District being controlled by Disney mean they are a solid blueprint of Disney's plans.

Indeed.

WDW's property lines have changed countless times over the years. Sometimes because of land acquisition. Sometimes because of selling off property. And other times to offset environmental impacts.

Master Plans are just that....plans. Not law. Not permanent.

This also wasn't done on a whim. A lot of time, research and (new) planning goes into these sorts of things.

 

[danlb_2000]

So thinking more about this I wonder what prompted this change in the Master Plan. The plan was last updated in 2010 and has this statement about future development:

"During the next 10 years, the District’s development will be directed to those areas identified as suitable in the above analysis. "

The plan makes allowances for quite a bit of expansion including 1 major theme park, 2 minor parks, another 18 holes golf course and a lot of hotel room. Why the sudden need for more flexibility in using the wetlands? I wonder if instead of major new adds they are planning to do more expansion of existing parks and resort.

 

[mikeh]

They are doing some land clearing next to the MK CM lot near parcel 2. I expect this to be a parking lot expansion

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Since we're having fun with this...what could possibly fit in an area of about .5 square miles?

New DVC. Duh!

 

[omurice]

Calling it: Star Wars and Night Kingdom.
SWANK for short...

 

[Cody5242]

Star Wars/Marvel 5th gate confirmed. Tell the people on the DIS board!

 

[Mike S]

So thinking more about this I wonder what prompted this change in the Master Plan. The plan was last updated in 2010 and has this statement about future development:

"During the next 10 years, the District’s development will be directed to those areas identified as suitable in the above analysis. "

The plan makes allowances for quite a bit of expansion including 1 major theme park, 2 minor parks, another 18 holes golf course and a lot of hotel room. Why the sudden need for more flexibility in using the wetlands? I wonder if instead of major new adds they are planning to do more expansion of existing parks and resort.

Would be the best option. Give us more in DHS, AK, Epcot and MK before anything major like another park.