Rumor WDW Rumor and Timeline Tracker v.2

[mikejs78]

Suggested addition @MisterPenguin - the Tomorrowland refresh is likely to do away with the 1994 TM reimagining and revert to an aesthetic closer to 1975 Tomorrowland - per @marni1971 in the SGE thread.

Love all the work you put into organizing this.

 

[TwilightZone]

Suggested addition @MisterPenguin - the Tomorrowland refresh is likely to do away with the 1994 TM reimagining and revert to an aesthetic closer to 1975 Tomorrowland - per @marni1971 in the SGE thread.

Love all the work you put into organizing this.

yes, please.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Epcot

Entrance / Central Spine

• was once a 'Phase I' project to start in 2017, but now the Spine update is pushed back in timeline.[Done by Oct 2021] and pushed back even further to 2022-23. [here] {updated}

Future World pavilions:

• Energy -
  • it will be a launched coaster [here]
    • Vekoma train, good amount of rows, launches, no inversions [here] {added}

Mexico: maybe Coco

• timeline: now up in the air due to the overlay becoming less definite and more iffy [here] [and here] {updated}
• budget of $75 million [here] {added}

New National Pavilions

• Brazil: there will be a possible new national pavilion, likely to be Brazil (2021?) (2022?) in 2022 [here] with possible attached attraction/ride [chance of an attached attraction down to more than likely not than likely] {updated with the 2022 link}

Spaceship Earth - Seimens is ending sponsorship of Spaceship Earth and Illuminations. Confirmed by a Seimens' press release. Discussion of what that may mean here.

• Spaceship Earth could see a new ride system, but way in the future [here], including a coaster though the less likely option [and here] {updated}
• FALSE RUMOR: "Siemens lost their sponsorship of Spaceship Earth when they offered to provide a new fleet of monorails as long as the monorails had 'sponsored by Siemens' on them." Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. {added}

China's 360 Degree Theater will go digital and seamless [confirmed at D23 Expo 2017]. The new film will be live action and projected from a new central rind in the ceiling. [here]

• timeline: end of 2019, beginning of 2020 [here] {added}

Timeline

2017

• DS: December: La Nouba closes / Edison opens? [accomplished]

2018

• MK: Stitch in perpetual seasonal mode awaiting for a decision for a replacement {moved from 2017 to 2018]}
• ESPN: January: New Flex Space opens {not a rumor, but just keeping track of big things, accomplished}

2022

• EP: Spine renovation, or 2023 {moved from 2021}
• EP: Brazil pavilion opens {moved from 2021}

.

 

[MisterPenguin]

DHS

Grand Avenue​

• Maybe a streetmosphere show where the Muppets heckle the crowds waiting to get into Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge [Jim Hill rumor] [and here and here]
  • or maybe not [here] {added}

Star Tours​

• Being considered: having ST exit into SWGEB with a long corridor. Current show has the 'tour' ending in Batuu. Sometime in the future, split ST so that half ends in Batuu and half show the old scenes. [here] [here] [here]
  • And now, not likely to happen [here] {added}

The Theater of the Stars where Beauty and the Best plays is also talked about as being changed: demo'd for something new or possibly enclosed [and here] and probably enclosed again [here] {updated}​

Disney Springs

• DisneyQuest is finally closing down on July 3, 2017 to be replaced with the NBA Experience. This will entail a complete demolition of DQ. [official] Done {updated}
• La Nouba the Cirque show at the Cirque 'tent' is ending at the end of 2017. A new Cirque show will take its place requiring the theater to go dark during its refurbishment and renovation. [official]
  • During this time, a big top tent may go up behind the Cirque theater for a temporary Cirque show. [here] [Didn't happen] {updated}
• LED lights in the 'springs' will provide colored mood lighting [likely] and even put on a lite light show [weak] [Didn't happen]
• The Edison's opening is moved again, to Late 2017. It is unknown if "Walt's" or a rumored underground tunnel guest area (maybe a speakeasy) is still in the works. Thread here. ["Walt's" never happened. "Hideaway" instead with a converted speakeasy theme. Edison finally opened in Jan 2018] {updated}

MK

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Tomorrowland:​

• the general look will revert to the 1975 aesthetic [here]

 

[TTA94]

@MisterPenguin what is the latest on any new MK entertainment? still on hold until 2021?

 

[MisterPenguin]

@MisterPenguin what is the latest on any new MK entertainment? still on hold until 2021?

Only what's linked above: a new nighttime parade and fireworks show has been planned for the 50th. But with the popularity of HEA, the 50th fireworks may wind up being a tweaked version of HEA. The new nighttime parade was once considered to be rushed out early, but with the popularity of HEA, that's not happening.

Did I mention HEA is popular?

 

[Cesar R M]

Epcot

Entrance / Central Spine

• was once a 'Phase I' project to start in 2017, but now the Spine update is pushed back in timeline.[Done by Oct 2021] and pushed back even further to 2022-23. [here] {updated}

Future World pavilions:

• Energy -
  • it will be a launched coaster [here]
    • Vekoma train, good amount of rows, launches, no inversions [here] {added}

Mexico: maybe Coco

• timeline: now up in the air due to the overlay becoming less definite and more iffy [here] [and here] {updated}
• budget of $75 million [here] {added}

New National Pavilions

• Brazil: there will be a possible new national pavilion, likely to be Brazil (2021?) (2022?) in 2022 [here] with possible attached attraction/ride [chance of an attached attraction down to more than likely not than likely] {updated with the 2022 link}

Spaceship Earth - Seimens is ending sponsorship of Spaceship Earth and Illuminations. Confirmed by a Seimens' press release. Discussion of what that may mean here.

• Spaceship Earth could see a new ride system, but way in the future [here], including a coaster though the less likely option [and here] {updated}
• FALSE RUMOR: "Siemens lost their sponsorship of Spaceship Earth when they offered to provide a new fleet of monorails as long as the monorails had 'sponsored by Siemens' on them." Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. {added}

China's 360 Degree Theater will go digital and seamless [confirmed at D23 Expo 2017]. The new film will be live action and projected from a new central rind in the ceiling. [here]

• timeline: end of 2019, beginning of 2020 [here] {added}

Timeline

2017

• DS: December: La Nouba closes / Edison opens? [accomplished]

2018

• MK: Stitch in perpetual seasonal mode awaiting for a decision for a replacement {moved from 2017 to 2018]}
• ESPN: January: New Flex Space opens {not a rumor, but just keeping track of big things, accomplished}

2022

• EP: Spine renovation, or 2023 {moved from 2021}
• EP: Brazil pavilion opens {moved from 2021}

.

These rumours timelines can easily be renamed as "Disneys's perpetual delays".

 

[mikejs78]

Only what's linked above: a new nighttime parade and fireworks show has been planned for the 50th. But with the popularity of HEA, the 50th fireworks may wind up being a tweaked version of HEA. The new nighttime parade was once considered to be rushed out early, but with the popularity of HEA, that's not happening.

Did I mention HEA is popular?

I think you forgot to talk about how popular HEA is.

 

[GCTales]

I think you forgot to talk about how popular HEA is.

Wait... They replaced wishes with HEA....??? is it good?

 

[jrhwdw]

Wait... They replaced wishes with HEA....??? is it good?

Kidding aside HEA is fantastic! Although I am surprised MK doesn't have pressure from people to get a night parade up and running! I don't get it.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Thank-you all for this bit of fun, but, let's not let this become a discussion thread, else @The Mom make posts go to the cornfield.

 

[hobovampire]

Thank you Penguin!! You rock!

 

[IanDLBZF]

• Festival of Fantasy didn't turn out to work well at night, so, not used. Though, an iteration of Move It Shake It was moved to early evening.

Update to that - ever since the switch to Daylight Savings Time in November, the only evening performance is at 5:45 PM (it was at 4:45 PM in November & December), that performance was moved back to 11:00 AM (10:00 AM in November and December). Why? I do not know.

 

[MisterPenguin]

MK

Tomorrowland

• land refresh: while the full plan hasn't been announced, this is definitely happening since it has already started with paint jobs and the seasonal closure of Stitch. However, the plans have not been finalized and there are several contenders, and so, competing ideas keep getting leaked...
  • We've already seen the boulders and Carousel of Progress get a new paint job... so they're staying. And the paint job is a hint of what's to come, as well as the new Joffrey's. And rocks will be getting new lighting, like Space Mountain recently received.
  • Laugh Floor, Buzz, Space Mountain, Astro Orbiter aren't part of the refresh. It'll be the look of the land with just a few attractions touched and TRON added. [here] {added}

Main Street

• A new theater "off of Main Street"
  • now, most likely canceled [here] and [here] {updated} likely due to reassignment of the budget to beef up some other unknown project in the MK [here] and [here] {added}

Epcot


Epcot is getting a major update that will have several phases that will run from 2017 to 2021+ [official]

• more like running until 2023-2024
• scope is more than $2 billion over more than 3 years [here] {added}

World Showcase

• Agent P game might be replaced by a Ducktales version [here] ... and still in the works [here] {updated}

Land Pavilion

• Living with the Land refurb [likely]
• now, not so likely [here] {added}

New Space Restaurant (restaurant in Earth orbit) between Space and Test Track pavilions [citation needed] [map] [will be attached to Space building, but separate entrance]

• Space Restaurant to open in 2019 [here]
• Cryptic: Entrance to Space Restaurant will be... fabulous. [here]
  • likely a space elevator simulator [here] {added}

Mexico: maybe Coco (the new movie) will be overlaid unto the Gran Fiesta ride in Mexico [strong, mid 2020] [Gran Fiesta closing around late 2019] [overlaid like Gran Fiesta was overlaid] [cryptic: and maybe a Coco overlay to the interior of the pavilion?

• timeline: now up in the air due to the overlay becoming less definite and more iffy [here] [and here]
  • project not dead, but drive to make it happen is diminished [here] {added}

The UK: Unknown Ride:

• a simple ride coming to UK, a B or C, several options in contention. 2021 [here]
  • make that early Spring of 2021 [here]
  • make that possibly opening closer with Ratatouille (fall of 2020) [here] {added}
  • now a beefed up UK ride (probably at the expense of Coco) [here] {added}

 

[MisterPenguin]

AK

Northern Project: Some long term proposal to make use of the land north of Kali and south of Conservation Station. [here]

• Something within a decade [here]
• a 'northern project' sometime mid next decade [here]
• long-term goal to get to the Conservation Station on foot [here] {added}

Rivers of Light

• An update to Rivers of Light seems probable. [likely]
• It's doing... OK... not likely to be scrapped soon.
  • Still doing OK enough to likely be kept for awhile [here] {added}

DHS

Shows:

• Mermaid, Beauty... are all long running shows and plans were made for replacements but then delayed. Will they ever be updated with, e.g., the Aladdin show that was in Anaheim or the Tangled show that's on the cruise ships?
  • Both are due for some change [here] and [here]
  • But changing them, which was definitely on the table and one supposed to happen this year, but unknown why there doesn't seem to be any movement on this [here] {added}

Star Wars Lands

• A small possibility of a third ride added to SWL [weak] {updated}
  • a third ride not happening with the opening of SWL, however, the thick bump in the berm next to Pixar Lane is the pad for a future ride if ever it comes [here] {added}

 

[MisterPenguin]

In General / Park Wide

• The Great Capex Recession {all new}
  • It seems that some of the projects announced and unannounced are being cut or scaled back due to reduction in allotted capex (capital expenditure budget). [here]
    • The D23-announced Main Street Theater looks to be definitely cut (or put off to some indefinite future).
    • It may likely be cancelling or putting off to much later the Coco overlay of Gran Fiesta [here]
• The Great Park Fight {all new}
  • parks are vying (with the exception of MK) for ride systems (e.g., Shanghai Pirates or FoP Theater) and maybe over an IP (e.g., Indy) [here]
  • Indy for a big DAK version [Dino to Indy; Restarauntosaurus to Adventurer theme, wooden coaster in place of Dinoland, and a non-Indy boat ride replaces Nemo theater all in a Central/South America section of the park] or a cheaper DHS version (which isn't a coaster, but is an E-Ticket [boat ride, likely with Shanghai PotC mechanics] with store & restaurant) [here] and [here] and [here] and [here] and [here] and [here]
    • the boat ride IP replacing Nemo is one that isn't used in the parks yet [here]
    • contrary: there is no battle over a single IP (such as Indy), it's over mechanical systems [here] or, indeed there is 2 parks vying for one IP and 3 parks vying for a ride system [here]
  • the E-Ticket that may come to DHS wouldn't be in time for SWL's opening [here] and is likely, if it is greenlighted, to be the boat ride [here]
    • contrary: more Indy isn't greenlit for DHS (but may be later??) [here]
  • The Flight of Passage mechanics is in the mix for cloning at some time in the future [here]

 

[No Name]

The Flight of Passage mechanics is in the mix for cloning at some time in the future [here]

I think @marni1971 meant for other resorts. I don't know though.

 

[marni1971]

I think @marni1971 meant for other resorts. I don't know though.

There’s proposals for the passage ride system in at least two, perhaps three parks. New tech and everyone wants it. One park in Orlando although I think that’s been discounted now. When I’m sure either way I can go into detail.

 

[trainplane3]

MK
Main Street

• A new theater "off of Main Street"
  • now, most likely canceled [here] and [here] {updated} likely due to reassignment of the budget to beef up some other unknown project in the MK [here] and [here] {added}

FYI, that fourth link was broken. This appears to be the link you wanted.
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...dom-now-cancelled.929270/page-60#post-8060289

Once you fix it, I'll delete my post. Don't want to fill up the thread with unneeded info.

 

[MisterPenguin]

FYI, that fourth link was broken. This appears to be the link you wanted.
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...dom-now-cancelled.929270/page-60#post-8060289

Once you fix it, I'll delete my post. Don't want to fill up the thread with unneeded info.

Thanks! I fixed it in the update post and in the top level tracker!

No need to delete. Your help is appreciated and might have helped someone who tried that link and gave up on it.