WDW literally falling apart

BuddyThomas

BuddyThomas

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eliza61nyc said:
And again because the threas is always the same.
1. Wdw used to be better in 19----
2. The Bob's are evil
3. Wonderful when I used to go
4. They are soon doomed to failure.

One definition of insanity. Repeating the same thing over and over expecting different answers (results).

But you're correct I really don't think folks here are miserable, I actually think most enjoy being negative 😅
So I guess that makes me just as insane.
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Don’t visit the various movie threads. The haters on there are freaking out of control and most of the ones splashing their hate all over the place proudly admit that they haven’t even seen the movies they are complaining about. This thread is mild by comparison.
 
MagicRat

MagicRat

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lazyboy97o said:
The whole reason for this discussion is because the wall was hit by an ECV. It happened and the result was that it dislodged a sizable chunk of the exterior finish, multiple panels well above the height of an ECV fell off, panels broke overhead and a junction box was ripped out of concrete.

Wind loads and impact loads are not the same. Those wind loads though are part of why it would not be advisable to rip everything open as you previously suggested.

Just because something is largely cosmetic does not mean it is not part of the building envelope.
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So what was the speed of the ECV at the time of impact? Was the person poo sized or slight in nature? Was he or she carrying extra weight like a souvenirs? What gauge was the framing for the structure? Has weather set in and eroded the damaged structure?

All of these things could have been done months ago and repaired. The monorail sign took so long because they were changing the sign, simply stated. They just don’t know what they want to do and are cool with putting potted plants in front of it, just blame it on poor leadership and cell phones!
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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MagicRat said:
So what was the speed of the ECV at the time of impact? Was the person poo sized or slight in nature? Was he or she carrying extra weight like a souvenirs? What gauge was the framing for the structure? Has weather set in and eroded the damaged structure?

All of these things could have been done months ago and repaired. The monorail sign took so long because they were changing the sign, simply stated. They just don’t know what they want to do and are cool with putting potted plants in front of it, just blame it on poor leadership and cell phones!
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Even when there is clear direction these types of projects can take time. It’s not the same as a sign or even a monorail pylon, which don’t have to overlap and tie into an existing envelope without causing more problems down the road. Or are waterproofing details just lazy kids wasting time?
 
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Splash4eva

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BuddyThomas said:
Don’t visit the various movie threads. The haters on there are freaking out of control and most of the ones splashing their hate all over the place proudly admit that they haven’t even seen the movies they are complaining about. This thread is mild by comparison.
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So are you saying Disney’s recent movies have been a raging overwhelming success and hit movies which are gonna win awards upon awards?
 
Chi84

Chi84

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Splash4eva said:
So are you saying Disney’s recent movies have been a raging overwhelming success and hit movies which are gonna win awards upon awards?
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They all sound pretty good to me, although I’m not able to comfortably get to theaters right now. Can’t wait to see TLM and Indy 5.
 
MerlinTheGoat

MerlinTheGoat

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No one is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to open this thread and read the posts. If you don't like the contents, then the thread title is there to inform mature and well adjusted adults what to do- ignore it. If you click on the thread and become miserable at the contents, that's no one's fault but your own. And if you took it a step further to post rude and hostile comments towards the other members here who were posting constructive criticism about falling business standards, then you're the one actually creating an atmosphere of misery and negativity.
 
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celluloid

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lazyboy97o said:
The whole reason for this discussion is because the wall was hit by an ECV. It happened and the result was that it dislodged a sizable chunk of the exterior finish, multiple panels well above the height of an ECV fell off, panels broke overhead and a junction box was ripped out of concrete.

Wind loads and impact loads are not the same. Those wind loads though are part of why it would not be advisable to rip everything open as you previously suggested.

Just because something is largely cosmetic does not mean it is not part of the building envelope.
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You know wind is not just an isolated danger strength, right? It blows things into things. This is also known as impact. Hurrican Force winds blowing debris would be just as impactful as that EVC.

I did not say they should have the thing ripped open by now. They could (and for show sake should) have had the entire thing fixed by now.

Its not the 45mph sustained wind itself that surprises people before they die, it is the tree branch or other debris that hits them at 45mph.
Impact.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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celluloid said:
You know wind is not just an isolated danger strength, right? It blows things into things. This is also known as impact. Hurrican Force winds blowing debris would be just as impactful as that EVC.

I did not say they should have the thing ripped open by now. They could (and for show sake should) have had the entire thing fixed by now.

Its not the 45mph sustained wind itself that surprises people before they die, it is the tree branch or other debris that hits them at 45mph.
Impact.
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So now you’re concerned about empty parks? Walt Disney World is not even in the part of Florida where missile impact glazing (”hurricane glass”) is required. The odds of a person being near the wall during a hurricane are very low whereas at least one person would be there if hit with an ECV.

They could be done if they ignored the root cause and/or the show. That’s the way it gets done quickly. Maintaining the specific Max Factor aesthetic adds complexity to developing a reliable technical solution.
 
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celluloid

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lazyboy97o said:
So now you’re concerned about empty parks? Walt Disney World is not even in the part of Florida where missile impact glazing (”hurricane glass”) is required. The odds of a person being near the wall during a hurricane are very low whereas at least one person would be there if hit with an ECV.

They could be done if they ignored the root cause and/or the show. That’s the way it gets done quickly. Maintaining the specific Max Factor aesthetic adds complexity to developing a reliable technical solution.
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There really is no hope for Disney design anymore.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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celluloid said:
You can have architects and still have Disney designers as a part of the team. It is not mutually exclusive.
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Disney’s show designers don’t do things like figure out waterproofing details, which is the sort of thing properly fixing the door and windows would involve. Their goal is the show, they’re going to push the architect to not do something clunky, easy and fast like just drop down some sort of mismatched coping that doesn’t maintain the look of the building.
 
King Panda 77

King Panda 77

Thank you sir. You were an inspiration.
MagicRat said:
So what was the speed of the ECV at the time of impact? Was the person poo sized or slight in nature? Was he or she carrying extra weight like a souvenirs? What gauge was the framing for the structure? Has weather set in and eroded the damaged structure?

All of these things could have been done months ago and repaired. The monorail sign took so long because they were changing the sign, simply stated. They just don’t know what they want to do and are cool with putting potted plants in front of it, just blame it on poor leadership and cell phones!
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Pooh sized
Not
Poo sized.


Big difference.
 
Bocabear

Bocabear

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So I still don't get why we would defend them taking a year to repair a decorative door frame...on a building, on the main thoroughfare of a premium world-class Theme park.
Continual excuses to defend doing nothing for 9 months.... Yes, the point has been made that it is so complicated that a team of 100 engineers is working diligently to solve the incredibly complex and unique problem of a damaged decorative doorframe... Surely the buildings in this theme park have proprietary building techniques that have never been done before, and no one can possibly even comprehend how complex and difficult this fix is going to be...
I don't care what they make the new door frame out of... Point is, it has been 9 months... It should be done by now...lol
 

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