WDW literally falling apart

[MickeyLuv'r]

lol oh yeah I'm posting the same rant...... pot meet kettle. Change the same tired "Disney is horrible, I wish it was 1985" weekly post and you'll get a different answer.

lol but I do always say, If I had a dollar for every one of these type threads I'd be very rich and the price of Disney wouldn't matter.

So be the change you want to see.

People enjoy complaining about WDW. That is who they are.

If you want to break the cycle, then break the cycle.

 

[eliza61nyc]

These type threads? So an exterior wall failing and falling, something that could have easily resulted in serious injury, is just baseless whining?

Actually I would say it's an unfortunate victim of the boy who cried wolf. When everyday you read about something mundane being wrong you start to tune out. It's like our news stations and news stories. Most folks now tune out

Also I wasn't the one who actually complained about that, someone accused me of having the same answer, to these threads, to which I replied "because the question is the same".

Now as to whether or not it's baseless?? Depends on the person

 

[eliza61nyc]

So be the change you want to see.

People enjoy complaining about WDW. That is who they are.

If you want to break the cycle, then break the cycle.

Oh I'm good, I was laughingly reply to a poster who said I was the one who gave the same "rant".
Which was the poster child of " pot calling the kettle black"

Lol they just extended Bob's contract so we have at least another 4 years to get it in

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I'm mostly referring to the sense (on this board) that people are overwhelmingly negative on Disney... and yes that involves the parks. Honestly, I hope the park attendance numbers stay low since I'll be there in early December.

As a SWAG, I'd say there's definitely a shift (on the board) to more and more negative comments... deservedly so for a lot of reasons listed elsewhere... maybe from 80% positive to 20% negative from, say, a decade ago to more like 40/60 now or worse... most of that being $, second most is show quality... which also comes back to $.

In part, I read this forum to be informed, and I feel a good number of forum members try to share useful information. We discuss what was shared. There has been a good deal useful discussion in this thread. It is useful to discuss ways to fix WDW.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

Oh I'm good, I was laughingly reply to a poster who said I was the one who gave the same "rant".
Which was the poster child of " pot calling the kettle black"

Lol they just extended Bob's contract so we have at least another 4 years to get it in

Except you do post the same thing every week.

According to you, we're all old, miserable, and living in the past.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Except you do post the same thing every week.

According to you, we're all old, miserable, and living in the past.

And again because the threas is always the same.
1. Wdw used to be better in 19----
2. The Bob's are evil
3. Wonderful when I used to go
4. They are soon doomed to failure.

One definition of insanity. Repeating the same thing over and over expecting different answers (results).

But you're correct I really don't think folks here are miserable, I actually think most enjoy being negative
So I guess that makes me just as insane.

 

[lazyboy97o]

And again because the threas is always the same.
1. Wdw used to be better in 19----
2. The Bob's are evil
3. Wonderful when I used to go
4. They are soon doomed to failure.

One definition of insanity. Repeating the same thing over and over expecting different answers (results).

But you're correct I really don't think folks here are miserable, I actually think most enjoy being negative
So I guess that makes me just as insane.

Do you know what thread you’re in? Why it was created? Or are you not reading and just making assumptions as you’ve previously alluded?

 

[some other guy]

if this was some random municipal park or grousing that the trees by the road aren't green enough then yeah that's probably being a jerk
but if The Mouse wants to charge through the nose for everything then they can afford to make sure random stuff isn't falling off the buildings

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

And again because the threas is always the same.
1. Wdw used to be better in 19----
2. The Bob's are evil
3. Wonderful when I used to go
4. They are soon doomed to failure.

One definition of insanity. Repeating the same thing over and over expecting different answers (results).

But you're correct I really don't think folks here are miserable, I actually think most enjoy being negative
So I guess that makes me just as insane.

Skimming past certain forum members might be prudent.

What I'd enjoy more though is if you yourself started threads on topics that are appealing.

Asking for dining suggestions is good, but I'm sure there are even better possibilities for thread topics. If we want this forum to be more fun, then let's contribute to making it what we want it to be.

It might help to reframe. Aging can be frustrating, sad, and scary. Instead of taking every post at face value, read between the lines. Some posts aren't [really] about WDW at all.

 

[some other guy]

Skimming past certain forum members might be prudent.

What I'd enjoy more though is if you yourself started threads on topics that are appealing.

Asking for dining suggestions is good, but I'm sure there are even better possibilities for thread topics. If we want this forum to be more fun, then let's contribute to making it what we want it to be.

It might help to reframe. Aging can be frustrating, sad, and scary. Instead of taking every post at face value, read between the lines. Some posts aren't [really] about WDW at all.

In my youth, I worked a coffee shop. Many of my customers were older men who complained every day about the coffee. The coffee was fine. One day, the owner raised the price five cents. Sure enough, these same guys ranted endlessly about the five cent price increase. Except it didn't impact them AT ALL, not one penny. They only cut my TIP by five cents. they paid the same exact amount.

The way for me to improve my tip was NOT to tell them they were old, or that they were stuck in the past, or to otherwise insult them.
What they wanted was help getting unstuck, a bit of compassion, and help thinking up fun things to discuss.

or maybe the multinational conglomerate could keep the buildings from falling apart?

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

or maybe the multinational conglomerate could keep the buildings from falling apart?

Sure.
So how are you going to make that happen?

 

[some other guy]

Sure.
So how are you going to make that happen?

I really don't understand what point you're trying to make. I don't work for Disney, why should I make a plan for something as amazingly complicated as "keep the buildings from falling apart" for them?

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I really don't understand what point you're trying to make. I don't work for Disney, why should I make a plan for something as amazingly complicated as "keep the buildings from falling apart" for them?

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I'm not sure why you started quoted me either.

 

[celluloid]

If this kind of thing happened on this scale at Universal, people would call out and remind everyone else here why they should not enjoy a six flags or regional level amusement park.

Even if you think it is ok that it happened, how long it took to figure out and repair is an argument that falls apart as badly as the front of the building itself.

 

[some other guy]

I'm not sure why you started quoted me either.

because you directly responded to me?

 

[lazyboy97o]

I really don't understand what point you're trying to make. I don't work for Disney, why should I make a plan for something as amazingly complicated as "keep the buildings from falling apart" for them?

It is rather difficult to address something that cannot be seen. In order to replicate the Max Factor building, the panels of the door portal (and also the display windows) extend all the way to the top, with the "roof panels" located behind them. This places the joint in a position where it is facing up and directly exposed to rainfall. Those joints should have received extra attention, but that's also easier said than done given their raised, concealed location and the lack of visual indicators of a problem within. Even in really good maintenance environments it is not a great design detail and one that could still have issues.

If this kind of thing happened on this scale at Universal, people would call out and remind everyone else here why they should not enjoy a six flags or regional level amusement park.

The photos of Jurassic Park River Adventure after Hurricane Ian showed evidence of water damage that likely contributed to wall panels being ripped off the building during the storm. While the wind load and attachment requirements of the Standard Building Code were not as stringent as the Florida Building Code, multiple attachments failing should not be an expected outcome.

Even if you think it is ok that it happened, how long it took to figure out and repair is an argument that falls apart as badly as the front of the building itself.

How long it is taking is in line with the likely root issue of concealed water damage. More than just the damaged part of the facade likely needs to be redesigned at a technical level and then actually rebuilt. That absolutely should not be a quick fix unless you just want it happening again.

 

[celluloid]

It is rather difficult to address somethi


The photos of Jurassic Park River Adventure after Hurricane Ian showed evidence of water damage that likely contributed to wall panels being ripped off the building during the storm. While the wind load and attachment requirements of the Standard Building Code were not as stringent as the Florida Building Code, multiple attachments failing should not be an expected outcome.

That was more of the fact that Florida literally had the storm of the century. Beyond Hurricane Dona and River Adventure ends with an opening at the bottom of a warehouse. The wind just found the quickest panel out. Not really comparable because we know Hurricanes are extreme whether that can cause this, the parks are not open during the times they hit.

How long it is taking is in line with the likely root issue of concealed water damage. More than just the damaged part of the facade likely needs to be redesigned at a technical level and then actually rebuilt. That absolutely should not be a quick fix unless you just want it happening again.

Who said anything about quick? Water damaging assessing and redesign g a facade so it will not happen again does not take as long as a theme park attraction to built.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That was more of the fact that Florida literally had the storm of the century. Beyond Hurricane Dona and River Adventure ends with an opening at the bottom of a warehouse. The wind just found the quickest panel out. Not really comparable because we know Hurricanes are extreme whether that can cause this, the parks are not open during the times they hit.

The photos showed signs of corrosion suggesting more than just wind was at play.

Who said anything about quick? Water damaging assessing and redesign g a facade so it will not happen again does not take as long as a theme park attraction to built.

Wanting it done by now is wanting it done quickly. Even rather simple designs using common materials can easily stretch out into this time frame when you deal with the requisite investigating, designing and permitting that all have to be done before work can begin. Then there are issues like sourcing custom finishes, the logistics of dealing with an occupied building and weather. Building something in nine months is the result of months of planning beforehand, planning that did not occur until after the ECV hit this wall.

 

[Lilofan]

The photos showed signs of corrosion suggesting more than just wind was at play.

Wanting it done by now is wanting it done quickly. Even rather simple designs using common materials can easily stretch out into this time frame when you deal with the requisite investigating, designing and permitting that all have to be done before work can begin. Then there are issues like sourcing custom finishes, the logistics of dealing with an occupied building and weather. Building something in nine months is the result of months of planning beforehand, planning that did not occur until after the ECV hit this wall.

If Iger expressed concern directly on the issue I'm sure that work will be completed in a quicker time frame.

 

[celluloid]

The photos showed signs of corrosion suggesting more than just wind was at play.

Wanting it done by now is wanting it done quickly. Even rather simple designs using common materials can easily stretch out into this time frame when you deal with the requisite investigating, designing and permitting that all have to be done before work can begin. Then there are issues like sourcing custom finishes, the logistics of dealing with an occupied building and weather. Building something in nine months is the result of months of planning beforehand, planning that did not occur until after the ECV hit this wall.

If only they had the exact schematics, with alterations to make sure it did not happen again.

Do you really believe what you state, or just wish everyone was as apologetic?

Rides have been rebuilt after fires safely and show ready in a shorter amount of time.

Remember how Splash Mountain had sinking logs, but it was all up and running even though logs sank... again?

You would think there would be quite a bit of downtime to investigate and redesign so it did not happen again.

You are only kidding yourself at this point. The truth is, it's just not that much of a priority.