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This is from today's Orlando Sentinel

Walt Disney World senior vice president Jerry Montgomery takes buyout after 30 years

Jason Garcia | Sentinel Staff Writer
April 14, 2009

Another well-known Walt Disney World executive has left the company.

Jerry Montgomery, most recently the senior vice president of conservation and environmental sustainability for Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, said Monday he accepted one of the voluntary buyouts Disney offered its domestic-park executives in January.

The buyouts were in addition to roughly 900 layoffs Disney has made in Florida this year as part of widespread cost-cutting. Disney has also eliminated about 500 open jobs in the state.

Montgomery, 51, spent 30 years with Disney, including stints in human resources and public affairs, where he was frequently quoted as a spokesman for the company. He began his career checking in campers at Disney's Fort Wilderness.

He has served on several appointed boards through the years, including current terms on the governing bodies of the South Florida Water Management District and United Arts of Central Florida. He will keep both board seats.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
some of you talk way too much.

Boy do I agree with that!

save your words and just type "doom and gloom, doom and gloom" next time. (we don't like what you have to say anyway).

Did anyone ask?

Have ye no faith in this great company?

I have no faith in the head of Disney P&R and most of the WDW exec 'leadership' team.

I have faith in Disney's ability to deliver an amazing product when they decide they want to.

Apparently not. But thankgoodness you guys aren't running it. You'd drive the company bankrupt trying to keep things going "the Walt way..."

Funny. While I wouldn't advocate a return to 1966 ways in 2009, this sounds very ignorant to me. A Walt was an idiot dreamer who never looked at the bottom line and liked to use burning piles of Franklins to lit the cigs that killed him.

Why don't you go read about Walt and come back when you learn what the man was like, what he stood for and the way he did business.

Deciding that you can't (or in this case largely won't) afford to do what made you what you are is one sure fire way to descend into mediocrity or worse.

Layoffs are good. Restructuring is good. Every company goes through merking spots in their existance...just alittle bit of growing pains. It'll emerge on the right path soon.


Honestly, that's just plain dumb and ignorant. TWDC has lost some people who are irreplacable because of their experience, knowledge and desire to do things the Disney Way. And that's leaving out the human toll. Funny how so many apologists here were so worried about a false rumor that an exec worth a minimum of mid seven figures was about to be axed, yet no one cares about the human toll of folks who truly counted on every dollar (more apologizing for Da Man).

Anyone who wants a glimpse into the type of folks who were cut (and again, they were largely the people making the most and with the most experience) should go read David Koenig's blog on Micechat. While he focuses on the people lost at DL, you should realize that the type of people shown the door in Orlando were similar.

~Coming in 2011: POC 4: Jack Sparrow and the Somali Pirates~
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
This is from today's Orlando Sentinel

Walt Disney World senior vice president Jerry Montgomery takes buyout after 30 years

Jason Garcia | Sentinel Staff Writer
April 14, 2009

Another well-known Walt Disney World executive has left the company.

Jerry Montgomery, most recently the senior vice president of conservation and environmental sustainability for Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, said Monday he accepted one of the voluntary buyouts Disney offered its domestic-park executives in January.

The buyouts were in addition to roughly 900 layoffs Disney has made in Florida this year as part of widespread cost-cutting. Disney has also eliminated about 500 open jobs in the state.

Montgomery, 51, spent 30 years with Disney, including stints in human resources and public affairs, where he was frequently quoted as a spokesman for the company. He began his career checking in campers at Disney's Fort Wilderness.

He has served on several appointed boards through the years, including current terms on the governing bodies of the South Florida Water Management District and United Arts of Central Florida. He will keep both board seats.

Don't know Jerry well (sorry, jake, just have met him in passing) but I know he was well-liked and respected both in and out of Disney.

Interesting again how none of Jay's puppets lost their positions, yet other execs who didn't always tow his BS line found themselves gone or in nebulous positions (anyone seen Jim MacPhee lately?)

~Maybe he's planning a two-day WDW 40th celeb with fanbois?~
 

alecshawn

New Member
some of you talk way too much.

save your words and just type "doom and gloom, doom and gloom" next time. (we don't like what you have to say anyway).

Have ye no faith in this great company?

Apparently not. But thankgoodness you guys aren't running it. You'd drive the company bankrupt trying to keep things going "the Walt way..."

Layoffs are good. Restructuring is good. Every company goes through merking spots in their existance...just alittle bit of growing pains. It'll emerge on the right path soon.
110% fact and spot on. We dont live in a pseudo "socialist" society where all jobs are secure and safe. ( some would like that)...
This is life. Life can be tough, get over it.
And that is exactly why my sig line has "life IS great" Cause its ALL up to US to make it that way.
And, Disney, IMHO has ran this company BRILLIANTLY during this recession.
They are STILL making money. That to me is the key, (still making a profit!) My best friend is in WDW as i speak, i talked to him earlier just after the storms. The park is is in great shape and people have smiles on their faces.
After all, thats what its all about.
 

yankspy

Well-Known Member
Usually, I like to let my words do the talking when I post here. But I couldn't help and feel that the following words, from a very well-respected member of the LP.com community, tells it from the POV of someone who has worked for WDW, in both the good old days and more recently ... it nails home plenty of the points that have been discussed on many threads, including this one ... so ...

"Iger is just a product of corporate America. As CEO he has one job and that is to make a profit for the company. Since most of the stockholders for Disney are other corporations there is no one even talking about what the right thing to do is. The people running the company are all business majors who have never worked in the parks. They run the Disney Company as a business and decisions are made in terms of business.

In the 1980's the policy at Disney was promotions happened from within. The feeling was that you needed to have lived in the Disney Company culture to understand what made the company unique and successful. After Eisner came aboard he gradually forced all the Walt and Roy people from their management into "retirement". I will never forget spending a morning with a VP of the WDW Property when Eisner was on property filming something. It was a busy day in the MK and the filming was creating havoc for the guests but when the VP approaced Eisner wrapping up he got a pretty good dressing down. As the VP walked away he looked at me and said "I dont think I will be around for much longer". He was gone within the year. Not too long after that we began to get new managers from outside the company. They had degrees and worked for companies like the Gap and other reatilers. They were very anti Disney culture. When you would try to tell them that Disney doesnt do things a certain way they would often give you a stare then say...this is the way we do things now. One of my last bosses (that I trained) ran an area of a couple of hundred CM's and dozens of attractions. He was clueless even several months into his time at Disney. He would often turn to me and say...What do we do? when something went wrong. Finally one day I said "Your in charge, you tell me" He kind of hemmed and hawd and said "What do you think we should do?" I said "I will do whatever you want me to do". So he made a decision (not a good one) and he got a talking to. He was mad that I didnt "support" him. I told him that he was obviously hired because of his talents and experience and it was his area and that I worked for him. and would support any decision he made. I was transferred 2 weeks later. That is a long round about way of saying that when you decide to chuck the things that made you great in the first place you shouldnt be surprised when quality falls.

A couple of years ago I came to the decision that WDW would never again be the place that I loved and worked for. The people who remember and worked for Walt are long gone and much of the goundations they laid in the 70'a and 80's has been erased by psuedo Waltism. For a while I wouldnt even go on property. It was too depressing. Now I go and enjoy the things I like (including some great new things like Soarin) and remember what a great place it used to be. But the reality is that Disney is a BIG business and is run like one. Which is why the Walt guys built a park like EPCOT and the Eisner guys built DCA."

~This Says It All: Hope Mom Likes it!~
So this person did not offer his/her boss a solution just to prove the point that he/she knew more. That does not sound good either.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
So this person did not offer his/her boss a solution just to prove the point that he/she knew more. That does not sound good either.

I have a great deal of respect for the individual who posted that. He is someone who was a huge asset to Disney ...

While you may think his handling of the situation was wrong, I don't. He trained his own boss (how often does that happen in corporate America these days?) and months later the man was still clueless. The man who would often tell him that we don't do things that way (the Disney Way) anymore.

I can't think of a better, classier way to show that the boss was an who had no business working for teh company.

Taking out that one point though seems to miss the larger whole, though.

~Disney, Gap, WalMart, Buick, Circuit City ... what's the difference?~
 

goodtimes5286

New Member
Usually, I like to let my words do the talking when I post here. But I couldn't help and feel that the following words, from a very well-respected member of the LP.com community, tells it from the POV of someone who has worked for WDW, in both the good old days and more recently ... it nails home plenty of the points that have been discussed on many threads, including this one ... so ...

"Iger is just a product of corporate America. As CEO he has one job and that is to make a profit for the company. Since most of the stockholders for Disney are other corporations there is no one even talking about what the right thing to do is. The people running the company are all business majors who have never worked in the parks. They run the Disney Company as a business and decisions are made in terms of business.

In the 1980's the policy at Disney was promotions happened from within. The feeling was that you needed to have lived in the Disney Company culture to understand what made the company unique and successful. After Eisner came aboard he gradually forced all the Walt and Roy people from their management into "retirement". I will never forget spending a morning with a VP of the WDW Property when Eisner was on property filming something. It was a busy day in the MK and the filming was creating havoc for the guests but when the VP approaced Eisner wrapping up he got a pretty good dressing down. As the VP walked away he looked at me and said "I dont think I will be around for much longer". He was gone within the year. Not too long after that we began to get new managers from outside the company. They had degrees and worked for companies like the Gap and other reatilers. They were very anti Disney culture. When you would try to tell them that Disney doesnt do things a certain way they would often give you a stare then say...this is the way we do things now. One of my last bosses (that I trained) ran an area of a couple of hundred CM's and dozens of attractions. He was clueless even several months into his time at Disney. He would often turn to me and say...What do we do? when something went wrong. Finally one day I said "Your in charge, you tell me" He kind of hemmed and hawd and said "What do you think we should do?" I said "I will do whatever you want me to do". So he made a decision (not a good one) and he got a talking to. He was mad that I didnt "support" him. I told him that he was obviously hired because of his talents and experience and it was his area and that I worked for him. and would support any decision he made. I was transferred 2 weeks later. That is a long round about way of saying that when you decide to chuck the things that made you great in the first place you shouldnt be surprised when quality falls.

A couple of years ago I came to the decision that WDW would never again be the place that I loved and worked for. The people who remember and worked for Walt are long gone and much of the goundations they laid in the 70'a and 80's has been erased by psuedo Waltism. For a while I wouldnt even go on property. It was too depressing. Now I go and enjoy the things I like (including some great new things like Soarin) and remember what a great place it used to be. But the reality is that Disney is a BIG business and is run like one. Which is why the Walt guys built a park like EPCOT and the Eisner guys built DCA."

~This Says It All: Hope Mom Likes it!~
To be honest I think this posts is one of the best posts ive ever read. It sums up disney perfectly, and although my intution told me thats what happened, im glad to hear that im villified and im not THAT out of touch (by not working at disney).

Your right disney WAS about creating a cuture (or a clut) of people that was different, it was magical, it was all alone. With people like eisner and greedy shareholders, disney is changing in a VERY bad way. Walt and his people built disney up to be SOOOO magical, thats why there stil is magic around, even if its few and far between, when in the past you were emerced in it.
110% fact and spot on. We dont live in a pseudo "socialist" society where all jobs are secure and safe. ( some would like that)...
This is life. Life can be tough, get over it.
And that is exactly why my sig line has "life IS great" Cause its ALL up to US to make it that way.
And, Disney, IMHO has ran this company BRILLIANTLY during this recession.
They are STILL making money. That to me is the key, (still making a profit!) My best friend is in WDW as i speak, i talked to him earlier just after the storms. The park is is in great shape and people have smiles on their faces.
After all, thats what its all about.
No one is doubting that life cant be tough, but do you even know what disney was built on, what walt worked day after day doing? Creating a world that was DIFFERENT, a place where people can get lost in and live like they never have lived before.

No one is saying that disney has done a crappy job getting people into it's parks, you would have to be crazy not to see that, but you need to think wider. Disney has been doing this profit > quality for DECADES. Eisner wasnt around during this recession and that was hardly what WDW was talking about.

Disney sold its quality to you, quality no one could capture because no one had a kid for a CEO, except disney when the man was running the show. The fact remains that UNTIL we get a CEO that cares and isnt in the 5:1 dollar bussiness, disney will continue to go down hill.

Now they live by the, 'if it aint broke dont fix it' reasoning, while the man who BUILT the magic lived by the 'what can't we build' reasoning. He turned water into wine and hes turned generations into believers. If you build it they WILL come, if you sit on your hands and keep all the profits you will eventually be swallowed up by your own greed, take a look at banks.

Look at the signature and someone write the check so we can right the ship
 

yankspy

Well-Known Member
I have a great deal of respect for the individual who posted that. He is someone who was a huge asset to Disney ...

While you may think his handling of the situation was wrong, I don't. He trained his own boss (how often does that happen in corporate America these days?) and months later the man was still clueless. The man who would often tell him that we don't do things that way (the Disney Way) anymore.

I can't think of a better, classier way to show that the boss was an who had no business working for teh company.

Taking out that one point though seems to miss the larger whole, though.

~Disney, Gap, WalMart, Buick, Circuit City ... what's the difference?~
Fair enough. The original post did not say that this manager was the one who said "we do things this way now". I will admit that it is hard to to give an opinion without knowing all the details. I was just thinking of it fom my perspective as a boss. There are many times when my employees come up with solutions to problems that I did not think of and it is not necessarily because I am clueless. (then again, maybe I am). Bosses can not have all the answers all the time. However, if this manager was as incompetent as the post suggests, then I can see the frustration.
 

goodtimes5286

New Member
Fair enough. The original post did not say that this manager was the one who said "we do things this way now". I will admit that it is hard to to give an opinion without knowing all the details. I was just thinking of it fom my perspective as a boss. There are many times when my employees come up with solutions to problems that I did not think of and it is not necessarily because I am clueless. (then again, maybe I am). Bosses can not have all the answers all the time. However, if this manager was as incompetent as the post suggests, then I can see the frustration.
To be honest i looked at that is "we're not into pumping money into quality and magic, we're about maximizing profits" which i think IS what disney is about now. I mean they get FREE syrup for soda and it's how much?

give me a FLIPPIN break!
 

yankspy

Well-Known Member
To be honest i looked at that is "we're not into pumping money into quality and magic, we're about maximizing profits" which i think IS what disney is about now. I mean they get FREE syrup for soda and it's how much?

give me a FLIPPIN break!
It always was. It just seems like there are two different schools of thought on how to achieve that.
 

SirGoofy

Member
Apparently not. But thankgoodness you guys aren't running it. You'd drive the company bankrupt trying to keep things going "the Walt way..."

As '74 said, please learn what "the Walt way" is(was the way things are going) before you say it would bankrupt the company. Doing things Walt's way, such as keep the parks attractions in top shape, making sure the food is of the highest quality, and having the parks shining every day would do nothing close to bankrupting this company. If anything it will reaffirm to many longtime guests that have noticed a decline that Disney is committed to it's legacy, and will continue(or start again) to be out to produce the highest quality product it can possibly put out.

-What will you celebrate? An ascension back to form!-

....

-If it ever happens that is:lookaroun-
 

DisneyChik17

Well-Known Member
As '74 said, please learn what "the Walt way" is(was the way things are going) before you say it would bankrupt the company. Doing things Walt's way, such as keep the parks attractions in top shape, making sure the food is of the highest quality, and having the parks shining every day would do nothing close to bankrupting this company. If anything it will reaffirm to many longtime guests that have noticed a decline that Disney is committed to it's legacy, and will continue(or start again) to be out to produce the highest quality product it can possibly put out.

-What will you celebrate? An ascension back to form!-

....

-If it ever happens that is:lookaroun-

:sohappy: You sir, get a handclap. The last time my family visited it was a happy occasion, but also a bit sad. Just seeing the park so lackluster was nearly disheartening. The whole theory is when nothing else can live on, imagination can go forever. But, it seems so lost. Lost on profits and shareholders, lost on salary workers and llow cost food. It's not the Disney Wolrd that I fell in love with a 8 years old, that is for sure.

With that being said though, I do feel that while the head honcho people kill WDW and everything it stands for, there are also many many many people on the floor day in and out that have always dreamed of working at WDW for all the reason that Walt loved running and building the company. It should ALWAYS be more about a child's smiling face than their last Disney Dollar. ALWAYS.
 
So, Lutz is singing the praises of the layoffs at DL.

Nothing but benefit for the resort. "Guest experience" is the new mantra. The only substantial cuts came in (to quote Al) the "notoriously haughty folks in Marketing and the hipster divas in the bloated Entertainment group." Departments like attractions and custodial were barely touched. Blue skies, baby, blue skies.

I'm happy for DL (as usual).

But what's up with the 1400 lost positions in Florida? Did we lose only the haughty and the divas? Were attractions, custodial, and ops barely touched here? Were parks-seasoned execs demoted to lower positions so they could keep their job while less-experienced managers were let go? Is "guest experience" the new mantra for Meg and the gang?

I'm still trying to get over the fact that the only topside change that came from this extensive re-org was MacPhee's removal from Epcot. (Please, Lord, let that not be his payback for listening to the fans.)

Where's the shift to guest experience? Where's the park execs spending more time now roaming the parks in Orlando? Now that the fat's gone, where's the beef?

We lost a lot of good CMs that were middle mgmt.
Some people got shifted too, and that isn't necessarily a good thing.
Sorry I can't say more, I am just too disappointed... :shrug:
 

goodtimes5286

New Member
It always was. It just seems like there are two different schools of thought on how to achieve that.
Yeah your right, but where i was going with that was, quality and magic were top in walts mind, while cutting costs and increasing revenue is all the new school thinks about. Walt thought about his product WAY more then the new pepz (probably b/c HE built it up so the newer people dont have as much respect for disney as he does)
 

SirGoofy

Member
:sohappy: You sir, get a handclap. The last time my family visited it was a happy occasion, but also a bit sad. Just seeing the park so lackluster was nearly disheartening. The whole theory is when nothing else can live on, imagination can go forever. But, it seems so lost. Lost on profits and shareholders, lost on salary workers and llow cost food. It's not the Disney Wolrd that I fell in love with a 8 years old, that is for sure.

Thank you. In all honesty I'm appalled sometimes at what I read here. People seem to defend this company as it get's further and further from the attention to quality that has made it what it is today.

And it's even worse when they shout down people who want to do it Walt's way. Walt's way made this company, and this company needs to return to that way before it's too late.

With that being said though, I do feel that while the head honcho people kill WDW and everything it stands for, there are also many many many people on the floor day in and out that have always dreamed of working at WDW for all the reason that Walt loved running and building the company. It should ALWAYS be more about a child's smiling face than their last Disney Dollar. ALWAYS.

As a CM, I can say that for the most part, this statement is true. Most cast members really do have a real love for their job and these parks and the guests that come and enjoy them.

There are many things that the company could return to that could make the cast members more appreciated, but I won't get into it now.

-See '74? I've got fans, too.:cool:-
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Thank you. In all honesty I'm appalled sometimes at what I read here. People seem to defend this company as it get's further and further from the attention to quality that has made it what it is today.

It's called Defending Da Man and has been en vogue for at least eight years in the USA if not longer (you see all the poor people protesting tax hikes for the wealthy today? sheer lunatics!)

And it's even worse when they shout down people who want to do it Walt's way. Walt's way made this company, and this company needs to return to that way before it's too late.

Doncha know that doing things Walt's way would put the company out of business?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:(Sorry, I hate smileys, but I don't think many folks get sarcasm in these parts).

As to before it's too late, I kinda think that time past a decade ago. It's not that things can't get better. They can. And they may well down the road. But they will never do things the way they did for 40 years of running Disney theme parks. Nope. That shark got jumped ... and gutted and had his tail tossed in some soup!

As a CM, I can say that for the most part, this statement is true. Most cast members really do have a real love for their job and these parks and the guests that come and enjoy them.

I actually disagree with you here. At least at WDW, I don't feel most CMs have a love for their jobs anymore or a passion for the place. Generally, the best WDW CMs are either internationals at EPCOT (gee, could a year's vacation in the USA have anything to do with that?), CPers who are wide-eyed and enthusiastic and retirees who are driving boats around Bay Lake because it keeps them active and engaging with people.

The mother of four living in Four Corners and about to lose her home while working at the CBR food court is generally not into the magic. Not that I'd blame her.

There are many things that the company could return to that could make the cast members more appreciated, but I won't get into it now.

-See '74? I've got fans, too.:cool:-

Fans. I had fans when you were in diapers!

But I am proud of you. Here's a Milk Bone ... or would you prefer a Snausage?

~Tea Party? Uhm, no. Bloody Mary party? Damn straight!~
 

SirGoofy

Member
I actually disagree with you here. At least at WDW, I don't feel most CMs have a love for their jobs anymore or a passion for the place. Generally, the best WDW CMs are either internationals at EPCOT (gee, could a year's vacation in the USA have anything to do with that?), CPers who are wide-eyed and enthusiastic and retirees who are driving boats around Bay Lake because it keeps them active and engaging with people.

The mother of four living in Four Corners and about to lose her home while working at the CBR food court is generally not into the magic. Not that I'd blame her.

I don't know. Many of the full timers I know really love the job, but I only know people in attractions, guest relations, or engineering to be honest.

As for the people that aren't happy, it would be incredibly easy to at least try and make these people happy. I don't know, maybe bringing back the stock policy? Make this company their company. It maybe a small perk, but at least it makes people feel as if they have value, instead of just a number.

Fans. I had fans when you were in diapers!

But I am proud of you. Here's a Milk Bone ... or would you prefer a Snausage?

~Tea Party? Uhm, no. Bloody Mary party? Damn straight!~

How bout a tequila party?
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
I don't know. Many of the full timers I know really love the job, but I only know people in attractions, guest relations, or engineering to be honest.

I'm sure there are plenty of happy CMs who are fulltime ... just like I'm sure there are plenty who aren't.

As for the people that aren't happy, it would be incredibly easy to at least try and make these people happy. I don't know, maybe bringing back the stock policy? Make this company their company. It maybe a small perk, but at least it makes people feel as if they have value, instead of just a number.

Ah, but that's the thing. They are just a number. And sadly Disney is just like any other huge company today. There is no value on the workers. That's what you get in evil :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: (sorry, again, there are many sarcasm-challenged in our midst) 'socialist' countries ... you know like most of the democracies in western Europe, Canada, etc ... if the government made sure workers were taken better care of, the quality of life would skyrocket in this country. But Da Man (and his apologists) don't like that ... remember socialism is only good when it bails out Wall Street and corporations, not when it improves life for the majority.

How bout a tequila party?

Sounds great to me. I was about to start a beverage, but now I think I may wait until later. I need all my (limited) faculties to make it through Lost.

~Where or When are Bernard and Rose?~
 

SirGoofy

Member
I'm sure there are plenty of happy CMs who are fulltime ... just like I'm sure there are plenty who aren't.

Obviously. There's always going to be people unhappy with their jobs no matter what they are doing.

Ah, but that's the thing. They are just a number. And sadly Disney is just like any other huge company today. There is no value on the workers. That's what you get in evil :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: (sorry, again, there are many sarcasm-challenged in our midst) 'socialist' countries ... you know like most of the democracies in western Europe, Canada, etc ... if the government made sure workers were taken better care of, the quality of life would skyrocket in this country. But Da Man (and his apologists) don't like that ... remember socialism is only good when it bails out Wall Street and corporations, not when it improves life for the majority.

I know. It's just wishful thinking on my part.


Sounds great to me. I was about to start a beverage, but now I think I may wait until later. I need all my (limited) faculties to make it through Lost.

~Where or When are Bernard and Rose?~

-Time travel is stupid and always creates problems. Can't wait till Lost is over with-

:lookaroun
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
-Time travel is stupid and always creates problems. Can't wait till Lost is over with-

:lookaroun

If you truly wish to be my lapdog don't let me ever hear you talking like that again.

Lost is the best thing about Hump Day. It's one of the best hours on television and one of the best things to come out of Disney (and I am not just saying that 'cause I know some of the folks involved) in the last decade.

I have been sitting on the edge of my seat ever since Oceanic 815 crashed on the island in 9/04. ... that is, if it crashed at all!

~Emmy better take care of Lost in September!~
 

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