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Water near Castle Walls - artistic license or more?
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Did Knee
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Well...hair does clog up drains...but couldn't she fix it just by singing to it?
WDWFREAK53
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I'd like to see a fountain similar to the one that was in the courtyard in Aladdin. The one that Jasmine was sitting by before she "hopped the walls"
Pinhead
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...and what about that THIRD castle wall on the right? While we're looking over there, what is that building facing it from the SDMT area. There's a hint of something in the earlier concept art, but this new thing is much more detailed. A gift shop? Another eatery? Anybody?So it's probably just artistic license but I noticed in the Winter issue of the Mickey Monitor, there was a little pond on the "old" Fantasyland side of the Castle Walls. We all know there's a lot more space around there now with Dumbo's removal and while most everyone enjoys said wide open spaces, many have wondered if anything is going to eat up any of that space.
Which brings me to this:
Lower left side. There's clearly a pond type feature. Which I don't recall seeing in past concept art.
Here's the older concept art to compare:
Thoughts? Artistic license or possibly a planned addition?
JustInTime
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A pond there would cause a major, major bottleneck.
Scuttle
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Exactly, there are mountains in the background!
Timothy_Q
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The third castle wall probably represents the castle wall on top of Pooh, as there's a large tree in front of it in the artwork.
That building is where Pooh's fastpass supposedly will go... but it looks too big for only that
EpcotFanForever
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Looks more like a puddle after a storm to me.
Great catch by the OP!
While it may be artistic license (notice the bathrooms are gone in Belle's village as well), I wouldn't count this out. Putting anything in that area before the castle walls are completely open would have been a nightmare for traffic flow.
If they do put the pond in, it likely wouldn't happen until after the SWMT is completed and the walls are opened up for good.
While it may be artistic license (notice the bathrooms are gone in Belle's village as well), I wouldn't count this out. Putting anything in that area before the castle walls are completely open would have been a nightmare for traffic flow.
If they do put the pond in, it likely wouldn't happen until after the SWMT is completed and the walls are opened up for good.
That new set of walls is a good catch too. I'm not sure why they would want to put up more barriers to the new areas though (since the whole reason for them being added in the first place was to add capacity).
I'm going to chime in one more time and say (IMO) how absolutely ridiculous those castle walls are. They look fantastic, but they are incredibly couter-productive to traffic flow, probably cost an arm and a leg, and eat up valuable real estate that could have been used for another attraction.
If the FLE doesn't draw the crowds to it that they expect, I wouldn't be surprised to see the castle walls used as the excuse. I give them a life of 15 years (at the most) and they'll be gone.
Patricia Melton
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My goodness!
Not sure what "attraction" you think could have gone where the castle walls are. Since the walls aren't very wide but are long, it would have had to have been a potato-sack slide or something like from a state fair. Do you think that would have been a good "attraction"?
I think your own griping about something costing "an arm and a leg" (your words) negates the possibility of it being removed soon (as you also claim). If they spent a lot of money on something it is not going to be removed or replaced in our lifetime.
Such oddly strong negative feelings you have towards the castle walls, which seem to be universally loved and a great piece of theming. I think you are the first person I've seen gripe about them. Whatever did the walls do to you?
NewfieFan
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Well, if they're "counter-productive to traffic flow" in that area, please explain to me how a another attraction on that "valuable real estate" would help traffic flow?
Well, if they're "counter-productive to traffic flow" in that area, please explain to me how a another attraction on that "valuable real estate" would help traffic flow?
Very easily. A Tangled themed area could have easily gone along the back wall between Belle's Cottage and Pinnochio's Village Haus. That wouldn't have done a thing to restrict flow and would have used that massive concrete wasteland that exists there now. Then the fairies could have gone where the Tangled bathroom area is going.
BalooChicago
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A few years ago I was working on a high rise building and we outsourced the renderings to a firm in China. In one view they ran out of Chicago skyline to plug into the image and suddenly Chicago became Shanghai.
My goodness!
Take a look at the area. There's a large plot of land between Belle's Cottage and Pinnochio's Village Haus that can't be used for anything substantial because they've put a giant wall smack dab in the middle of it.
Don't get me wrong, they look fantastic. But, mark my words, they won't be there in 15 years.
There are two things I can guarantee you about the FLE. 1) revenue at Big Top Souvineers is going to be substantially less than the previous tent (making all of CircusLand expendable); and 2) TLM attendance will drop of rapidly after the first year (and they'll use the castle walls as the scapegoat).
NewfieFan
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I can't picture "the back wall between Belle's Cottage and Pinnochio's Village Haus". So I have no idea if an attraction or themed area could have went there or not!?! I thought you were talking about the current placement of the Castle walls. I'm not sure anything else could have fit where the Castle walls are except for... well, the Castle Walls! I was there when the construction walls were still up around the walls but you could walk behind them and already the area felt more open and traffic seemed to flow better. I can't see the walls affecting traffic flow in that area.
Here's an incredibly crude pic.
The light blue area is the Repunzel area (tower in the front would be the entrance, meet & greet building in the back designed as a continuation of the Storytime With Belle show building and camouflaged to not encroach on Belle's Cottage).
The green circles are trees. Dark blue areas are water features.
The pink circle is approximately the same size as the carrousel, tea cups or Dumbo and could be used for some kind of spinner attraction.
The yellow areas show traffic flow.
NewfieFan
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Here's an incredibly crude pic.
The light blue area is the Repunzel area (tower in the front would be the entrance, meet & greet building in the back designed as a continuation of the Storytime With Belle show building and camouflaged to not encroach on Belle's Cottage).
The green circles are trees. Dark blue areas are water features.
The pink circle is approximately the same size as the carrousel, tea cups or Dumbo and could be used for some kind of spinner attraction.
The yellow areas show traffic flow.
You can't seriously be suggesting another spinner... are you!?!
The fanbois are already threating to take out the one in Adventureland. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with spinners (I still have small kids who are quite amused by these) but even I wouldn't want another spinner back in the spot. I think the Castle Walls are beautiful, continue the theme of Cinderella's Castle, do a great job of seperating the old and the new, and don't affect traffic flow. I think throwing another attraction (spinner) in that area would have been painful on all accounts.The point of the rendering is simply to show how the area could have easily supported other attractions if the castle walls weren't there with plenty of room left over for traffic flow. The FLE needed more attractions and this would have been a way to accomplish that.
As for the spinner arguement, WDI has had many concepts for circular rides that aren't Dumbo or Aladdin (the mouse/cheese spinner that was planned for Pixie Hollow is one example). Besides, the spinner in Adventureland is hated because it doesn't fit at all thematically and ruins the views and flow of the area. This circular ride could be built to fit in with it's environment without any disturbance in theme or flow.
And why do you need a distinction between the "new" and "old" areas of Fantasyland? Wouldn't Fantasyland work much better as one contiguous area?
As for the spinner arguement, WDI has had many concepts for circular rides that aren't Dumbo or Aladdin (the mouse/cheese spinner that was planned for Pixie Hollow is one example). Besides, the spinner in Adventureland is hated because it doesn't fit at all thematically and ruins the views and flow of the area. This circular ride could be built to fit in with it's environment without any disturbance in theme or flow.
And why do you need a distinction between the "new" and "old" areas of Fantasyland? Wouldn't Fantasyland work much better as one contiguous area?
RandySavage
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The castle wall is brilliant as a story-telling & place-making device: the idea being separation of tamed townscape vs wilder nature... venturing out 'into the woods'. As mentioned above and elsewhere, there is a distinct difference in the architectural application (aged, sagging, hyper-detailed vs. clean, straight, gingerbread) of the new & old FL, and the walls help mitigate what could be an awkward clash of styles.
The wall won't be going anywhere in 15 years time, which is a very good thing.
Sidenote of interest: That pixie spinner concept was the same ride as Mater's Jamboree at DCA but dressed differently... it's about 50% bigger footprint than the standard Dis spinner.
The wall won't be going anywhere in 15 years time, which is a very good thing.
Sidenote of interest: That pixie spinner concept was the same ride as Mater's Jamboree at DCA but dressed differently... it's about 50% bigger footprint than the standard Dis spinner.